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Galfi
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Brazil56 Posts
May 09 2013 19:48 GMT
#41
blizzard, keep up the good work, FINALLY SOME GOOD SENSE FROM YOU!


keep it that way, give the game some time to develop, and slowly work your way towards balancing, i like the concept

+1 blizzard
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freerolll
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Belgium1056 Posts
May 09 2013 19:49 GMT
#42
On May 10 2013 04:42 Tsubbi wrote:
the burrow change would have been the very first change to zerg in hots before the 10 minute mark, surely it wouldve been too risky


You mean that protoss cant kill 1 drone before they get an observer or terran cant kill 1 drone without scan?
That is kinda risky right?
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IPA
Profile Joined August 2010
United States3206 Posts
May 09 2013 19:49 GMT
#43
Excellent decision -- balance is good now, no need to get cray. I hate ZvZ at the moment so the one change they are making will benefit me greatly.
Time held me green and dying though I sang in my chains like the sea.
RyLai
Profile Joined May 2011
United States477 Posts
May 09 2013 19:52 GMT
#44
I like the stance of waiting for the game to fully and properly evolve this time. People cried Widow Mines OP (and shitty players still do), but the higher level players are so good at splitting their units (welcome to the world of Terran) that it's not nearly as much of an issue anymore (and most Terrans don't even target properly with the Widow Mines except maybe Fantasy). If you guys saw KangHo vs Gumiho, KangHo split his Lings and Banelings so incredibly well after he saw the Mines activate. That 1.5 seconds is enough time for good players to split their units (not enough for me though).

Hellbats though, ARE a problem. Don't mind waiting a bit longer to watch people find a way to deal with them properly though.

Don't like the Spore Crawler change though. Was there an option in BW ZvZ to do anything else other than Muta/Ling except in the super late game? I like the speed, aggression, and multitasking that comes with Mutas in ZvZ. However, seeing the slightly more skill-oriented Infestors be used against them could be cool to watch. I said COULD, not would. I like nonstop action when I watch a game.
soiii
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany266 Posts
May 09 2013 19:52 GMT
#45
Totally agree with his judgements. Great points.
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16097 Posts
May 09 2013 19:53 GMT
#46
Awesome.

Spore Crawler change is going to work out great in opening up ZvZ a little bit, and the no changes in the other match ups I agree with for the most part.
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Proseat
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Germany5113 Posts
May 09 2013 19:53 GMT
#47
Nice banner.

Maybe they should also increase the attack radius of the Sporecrawler of Doom. xD

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Cri du Chat
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany606 Posts
May 09 2013 19:54 GMT
#48
Nice Blizzard! Better wait a little while longer and then make the right choices than destroy the game with balance changes.
I think at the moment its the right choice!
TeeTS
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany2762 Posts
May 09 2013 19:54 GMT
#49
It's definately a good call. It's really hard to differentiate between potential imbalances and playing mistakes right now. The game needs more time and relatively solid overall winrates in all 3 matchups point out that there is no reasoning for a nerf without a buff and vise versa in all 3 non mirrors right now.
DoNuTs84
Profile Joined February 2012
Denmark24 Posts
May 09 2013 19:56 GMT
#50
Gratz Terrans. You won. Hope you continue to be happy with your dropplay freewins

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Zygno
Profile Joined August 2012
Austria276 Posts
May 09 2013 19:56 GMT
#51
Thank god they are not buffing oracle...
Zenbrez
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada5973 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-09 19:56:59
May 09 2013 19:56 GMT
#52
On May 10 2013 04:15 eviltomahawk wrote:
The Spore change will be a buff to Phoenix-lifting strategies in team games.

I personally would rather see either an acceleration buff or a speed buff for Oracles, but not both at once.

I don't think you thought through your entire thought.
Refer to my post.
Desertfaux
Profile Joined June 2012
Netherlands276 Posts
May 09 2013 19:56 GMT
#53
Looks like Blizzard is close to a promotion from bronze league in my heart.
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Nosferatos
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway783 Posts
May 09 2013 19:57 GMT
#54
Still think speedvacs needs some kinda fix, it's just too easy to do at the moment.
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Advantageous
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
China1350 Posts
May 09 2013 19:57 GMT
#55
honestly dont like the part where they say
Best case scenario, it'll be possible to not only tech to Mutalisks but other options as well.
so is spire going to include vipers? thats pretty broken if thats the case.
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RyLai
Profile Joined May 2011
United States477 Posts
May 09 2013 19:58 GMT
#56
On May 10 2013 04:49 freerolll wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2013 04:42 Tsubbi wrote:
the burrow change would have been the very first change to zerg in hots before the 10 minute mark, surely it wouldve been too risky


You mean that protoss cant kill 1 drone before they get an observer or terran cant kill 1 drone without scan?
That is kinda risky right?


Oh dear God... If you put it that way... o.o No more need for Spine Crawlers! Just Burrow micro! Could you imagine if you started the game with Burrow? Reapers would never get a Drone kill and it wouldn't cost them a damn thing other than a little bit of lost mining time to keep them alive (as opposed to forcing Extractors and Spine Crawlers).

I don't think cheaper Burrow would've been bad (you still need Lair tech right? If not, then yeah OP).

And Zerg doesn't need more options before the 10 minute mark at the moment. Do you not see all the Zergs destroying Terrans with Roach/Bane all ins? Suppy beat Ryung with it and Symbol beat Gumiho with it. Make Roaches and you win until Terrans finally decide to not make Hellions and go for early defensive Tanks instead.
llIH
Profile Joined June 2011
Norway2143 Posts
May 09 2013 20:01 GMT
#57
Whatever happens. Muta play is so fun!
Zeon0
Profile Joined September 2010
Austria2995 Posts
May 09 2013 20:02 GMT
#58
I like it

ZvP changes a lot now (Swarmhosts finally arrived in GSL), would be a bad idea to change anything there
ZvT looks fine to me
TvT and PvP too

TvP i cant comment, I have no idea of that matchup
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Qwyn
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2779 Posts
May 09 2013 20:02 GMT
#59
Well, I guess the T changes will have to wait. Time will just have to do its thing and exacerbate the problem.
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IcookTacos
Profile Joined December 2011
Sweden295 Posts
May 09 2013 20:03 GMT
#60
Yeah I can accept this. I would be skeptical but I can see the reasoning behind all of it, which is nice.
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