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MrSourGit
England135 Posts
Thank god we lent you guys DeMuslim !!! | ||
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ElBlanco
Australia140 Posts
On April 22 2013 14:40 cutler wrote: As already stated a thousand times...community wants the best players...so we get we best players, If anybody is interested in a US only tourney...fine...just organise it. From my point of view there are enough tournaments. Although i am a bit dissapointed because of invitionals for WCS. Seeing players like Idra,Stephano or Forgg fight their ways through online qualifier. Wow...i would pay a lot for that!!! If you want to watch the best Koreans play each other watch the GSL, GSTL, proleague or any other Korean tournament. If you want to watch Koreans playing against foreigners watch dreamhack, MLG, NASL, iron squid or any other big foreigner tournament. The whole point of having a regional tournament is to be able to watch the players from that region compete. If it was just going to be like this why even have a regional tournament? We already had tournaments where we could watch these players face each other. The whole point of a regional tournament is to see players from your own region compete and have a big tournament where they all meet each other. As for the whole if you want a US only tourney run it yourself, what a childish and selfish attitude. You can criticize or give ideas for how the tournament should be run without having to start one yourself. Edit: If fairness is the issue they should have split the prizes and seeds better. The Korean tournament should have more prize money and spots in the end of year tournament (at least to start with). | ||
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wptlzkwjd
Canada1240 Posts
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ibraishome
Germany337 Posts
On April 22 2013 15:47 wptlzkwjd wrote: Wait what? xD The people representing WCS NA are all Koreans? No, only 9 of 28 so far... | ||
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Madars
Latvia166 Posts
On April 22 2013 15:44 ElBlanco wrote: The whole point of having a regional tournament is to be able to watch the players from that region compete. If it was just going to be like this why even have a regional tournament? Cause your region now has players like Alicia TheStC Oz CranK Revival aLive Jaedong Apocalypse Heart JYP and many more | ||
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ElBlanco
Australia140 Posts
On April 22 2013 15:58 Madars wrote: Cause your region now has players like Alicia TheStC Oz CranK Revival aLive Jaedong Apocalypse Heart JYP and many more First of all i'm from SEA so my region just gets left in the dirt. If you're referring to NA then no it doesn't. Those players will fly in for the finals and win all the prize money but they aren't actually playing in and training with NA players. We already had tournaments to watch players like that face foreigners and if you read my post you would notice i mentioned that. NASL, MLG, dreamhack, iron squid etc so why even bother with a regional tournament? The format used last year wasn't perfect but it was far better than what we have now. | ||
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Bocian
Poland259 Posts
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Daswollvieh
5553 Posts
On April 22 2013 15:44 ElBlanco wrote: If you want to watch the best Koreans play each other watch the GSL, GSTL, proleague or any other Korean tournament. If you want to watch Koreans playing against foreigners watch dreamhack, MLG, NASL, iron squid or any other big foreigner tournament. You forgot an important option: If you want to watch good Starcraft, watch good Starcraft that is on at the moment. And that´s the Korean GSL and PL, because they are the only ones who provide regular, well produced content. The whole point of having a regional tournament is to be able to watch the players from that region compete. If it was just going to be like this why even have a regional tournament? We already had tournaments where we could watch these players face each other. The whole point of a regional tournament is to see players from your own region compete and have a big tournament where they all meet each other. To provide local players with easier travelling? There has been a German league since forever, only German players, as local as you can get, but few people actually care. | ||
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rename
Estonia329 Posts
On April 22 2013 15:44 ElBlanco wrote: If you want to watch the best Koreans play each other watch the GSL, GSTL, proleague or any other Korean tournament. If you want to watch Koreans playing against foreigners watch dreamhack, MLG, NASL, iron squid or any other big foreigner tournament. No, you couldnt watch foreigners vs koreans since there is no proper live league, only weekend events and casts from replay. On April 22 2013 15:44 ElBlanco wrote: The whole point of having a regional tournament is to be able to watch the players from that region compete. If it was just going to be like this why even have a regional tournament? We already had tournaments where we could watch these players face each other. The whole point of a regional tournament is to see players from your own region compete and have a big tournament where they all meet each other. Where did blizzard say that the aim of this new system is to gather up bunch of people from different countries and let them wave their flags around awkwardly. The point is to have a proper league system in every region so every progamer would not have to fly to korea ( and risk not ever getting into code A ). The point is to provide high quality live starcraft in your timezone. On April 22 2013 15:44 ElBlanco wrote: As for the whole if you want a US only tourney run it yourself, what a childish and selfish attitude. You can criticize or give ideas for how the tournament should be run without having to start one yourself. Edit: If fairness is the issue they should have split the prizes and seeds better. The Korean tournament should have more prize money and spots in the end of year tournament (at least to start with). "Run it yourself" is actually a solid advice - to run a US-only tournament you dont need blizzard funds. EU seem to have quite a bit of regional stuff, just look at http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Major_Tournaments and http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Minor_Tournaments - if the market for US/NA only tournament is there, then someone will do it. Now to create something like WCS in NA/EU would be quite impossible without blizzard - so its wiser to let the big money ( blizzard ) take care of the big things. And leave the region-exclusive stuff to smaller local organizations and WCG. | ||
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ElBlanco
Australia140 Posts
On April 22 2013 16:17 rename wrote: No, you couldnt watch foreigners vs koreans since there is no proper live league, only weekend events and casts from replay. Where did blizzard say that the aim of this new system is to gather up bunch of people from different countries and let them wave their flags around awkwardly. The point is to have a proper league system in every region so every progamer would not have to fly to korea ( and risk not ever getting into code A ). The point is to provide high quality live starcraft in your timezone. "Run it yourself" is actually a solid advice - to run a US-only tournament you dont need blizzard funds. EU seem to have quite a bit of regional stuff, just look at http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Major_Tournaments and http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Minor_Tournaments - if the market for US/NA only tournament is there, then someone will do it. Now to create something like WCS in NA/EU would be quite impossible without blizzard - so its wiser to let the big money ( blizzard ) take care of the big things. And leave the region-exclusive stuff to smaller local organizations and WCG. Run it yourself isn't solid advice at all. You're responding to individual posters who are obviously in no position to do such a thing. At this point it's too late for blizzard to actually region lock the tournament so i won't even bother wasting my breath. At the very least if the purpose of this WCS is just to have a GSL in every region (well as long as think Europe/Korea/NA = the world) then they should at least try and make them all live tournaments. If the qualifiers and code A/code S were actually in a studio i wouldn't be complaining at all. That way you would effectively have to live in the region to compete instead of this unfairly only applying to one region. That would do far more for the current scene than this current layout (it may actually encourage people to start proper team houses outside of Korea). | ||
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Jezal
Bulgaria3 Posts
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Crownlol
United States3726 Posts
On April 22 2013 22:44 Jezal wrote: inb4 WCS America, dominated by koreans WCS KR2. I really dislike how many Koreans are playing in NA, but don't forget that most NA players that can beat Koreans were already invited and are not playing in the qualifiers. | ||
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Kasu
United Kingdom345 Posts
Not to knock them but I can't see how they are more deserving of an invite. | ||
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Bagi
Germany6799 Posts
On April 22 2013 22:59 Kasu wrote: Can anyone tell me how DeMusliM didn't get an invite to either EU or NA but Maker, Illusion, theognis, fenix all did? Not to knock them but I can't see how they are more deserving of an invite. Demuslim was considered an EU player since he played in WCS EU last year and is still a UK citizen AFAIK. Of the invited players 16 were from the Americas and 8 were from other regions. | ||
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Bjarne
Germany192 Posts
On April 21 2013 16:37 Type|NarutO wrote: Fuck, get your infos about the players and stop bitching. There is no more or less story involved in NA players. Ignorance and stupiditiy really is rising. Don't want it and leave us alone, seriously. No we should not see fucking QXC, NonY or Fitze represent America or for that matter the region NA they chose in a high profile 250 000$ tournament. No one wants to see another Ro32 MLG 3-0 sweep by Koreans. If there are Americans worthy of getting that spot, they will get their spot and they will not lose horribly. Your totally wrong Naruto! I care about Soke against Stephano, DeMuslim against Vortix or Hasu against Naama, HuK against QxC etc. i DONT care about Byun against Keen or Alive against Miya - and im NOT alone! And YES, I WANT to see real NA Players compete in MLG Ro32. If you where right, the soccer WM 2014 has to be hole Europe + Brazil, Argentina and 2 or 3 other SA Nations. But this is obviously NOT a WM. Most peolpe understand that. We LIKE to see New Zealand, Japan and African Nations against the big ones. Its the spirit of the hole thing. Not EVERY game, sure, but it belongs together. Blaming NA-Players for not being able to keep up with Top-Koreans is stupid enough and you should know that. Same as if you let the Jamacian bobsled team compete with the swiss bobseld team and then laugh about Jamaica for loosing... its...ahhh...unintelligent... Korea: Money enough to be 10 hours a day in front of the screen Best coaches Best training plans Best pratice partners Support by Analysts and other team-stuff Some foreigners have to earn money to play their bills beside playin, no or unexpirienced coaches, no 10-years-approved-training plan, less an weaker training-partners, no support.... Who will win? Even big teams like EG have to search for KOREAN coaches to make their players better, and now think about clarity gaming, complexity, quantic! Do they have coach park? Why do their players loose against top-Koreans? | ||
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rrwrwx
United States247 Posts
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Bjarne
Germany192 Posts
On April 22 2013 23:14 Bjarne wrote: Your totally wrong Naruto! I care about Soke against Stephano, DeMuslim against Vortix or Hasu against Naama, HuK against QxC etc. i DONT care about Byun against Keen or Alive against Miya - and im NOT alone! And YES, I WANT to see real NA Players compete in MLG Ro32. If you where right, the soccer WM 2014 has to be hole Europe + Brazil, Argentina and 2 or 3 other SA Nations. But this is obviously NOT a WM. Most peolpe understand that. We LIKE to see New Zealand, Japan and African Nations against the big ones. Its the spirit of the hole thing. Not EVERY game, sure, but it belongs together. Blaming NA-Players for not being able to keep up with Top-Koreans is stupid enough and you should know that. Same as if you let the Jamacian bobsled team compete with the swiss bobseld team and then laugh about Jamaica for loosing... its...ahhh...unintelligent... Korea: Money enough to be 10 hours a day in front of the screen Best coaches Best training plans Best pratice partners Support by Analysts and other team-stuff Some foreigners have to earn money to pay their bills beside playin, no or unexpirienced coaches, no 10-years-approved-training plan, less an weaker training-partners, no support.... Who will win? Even big teams like EG have to search for KOREAN coaches to make their players better, and now think about clarity gaming, complexity, quantic! Do they have coach park? Why do their players loose against top-Koreans? A scene needs the chance to GROW, like the koreans scene had long time ago... | ||
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Jknighty
159 Posts
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geokilla
Canada8245 Posts
On April 22 2013 23:10 Bagi wrote: Demuslim was considered an EU player since he played in WCS EU last year and is still a UK citizen AFAIK. Of the invited players 16 were from the Americas and 8 were from other regions. You mean MLG fucked up. Polt is a KR player with KR citizenship (I think). He's only in USA for school. He played in WCS Korea too last year I think. Yet he's seeded into WCS NA. Ya I didn't know DeMuslim was living in USA until recently, but MLG should've known right? Even if they didn't, they should've fixed the seeding and given him a seed. He's the best foreigner on NA ladder after all. | ||
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Bjarne
Germany192 Posts
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