• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 03:02
CET 09:02
KST 17:02
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Finals Preview: Sweet Victory!12[ASL22] Ro4 Preview: Mirror Mirror6[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5
Community News
Dark completes military service, returns to SC211[BSL23] RO16 Group Stage19Weekly Cups (Nov 2-8): herO back on top?2Weekly Cups (Oct 26 - Nov 1): MaxPax, herO, Solar win0Weekly Cups (October 19-25): Clem triples first in 5.0.175
StarCraft 2
General
Dark completes military service, returns to SC2 Greetings.. No more SC2 streamers on team liquid? Serral's getting trashed by New Catsle's Mind Weekly Cups (Nov 2-8): herO back on top?
Tourneys
Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) Dark returns! GSL CK #7 4v4 Team Battle (Nov 19) soO & FanTaSy return! SC2 Kevin Scrim 4v4 (Nov 16) RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-22
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
[G] How to playtest arcade maps Starcraft 2 Advance [D] the control group Simple Questions/Answers
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 551 Robotic Revival Mutation # 550 Graveyard Shift Mutation # 549 Endless Sparkles
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ List of top players active on ShieldBattery Korean players' earnings Hit New All-Time High! SOOP Hosts SC1 & SC2 Event Tournament: Kevin Scrim BW General Discussion
Tourneys
[BSL23] Ro16 Group A - Saturday 21:00 CET [$1250] International ShieldBattery League [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Bisu's Team vs Shuttle's Team 2026-11-14
Strategy
Pluto's TvP 5Marine 2Medic Push Simple Questions, Simple Answers Infested Terran strategies in 2026 Nuke strategy worked in K-League 2026-11-09
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Free Space RTS Game, optimised f. Phone/Tablet etc List of Game Threads The PlayStation 5
Dota 2
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Artificial Intelligence Thread Trading/Investing Thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
Fan Club Resource Thread Reynor Fan Club The Flash Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
The time I organised my…
AssyrianKing
Why I built Repalyzer (1.1.…
BlueStar
Innovate or Game Over?
TrAiDoS
ShieldBattery on Mac
Kraekkling
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 12012 users

Four Koreans qualify from WCS AM Prelim Day 1 - Page 22

Forum Index > SC2 General
485 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 20 21 22 23 24 25 Next All
MrSourGit
Profile Joined August 2012
England135 Posts
April 22 2013 06:33 GMT
#421
NA guys letting us down , again ...

Thank god we lent you guys DeMuslim !!!
Winston Churchill - ''I may be drunk, Miss , but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly'
ElBlanco
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia140 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-22 06:49:36
April 22 2013 06:44 GMT
#422
On April 22 2013 14:40 cutler wrote:
As already stated a thousand times...community wants the best players...so we get we best players,
If anybody is interested in a US only tourney...fine...just organise it.
From my point of view there are enough tournaments.

Although i am a bit dissapointed because of invitionals for WCS. Seeing players like Idra,Stephano or Forgg fight their ways through online qualifier. Wow...i would pay a lot for that!!!


If you want to watch the best Koreans play each other watch the GSL, GSTL, proleague or any other Korean tournament. If you want to watch Koreans playing against foreigners watch dreamhack, MLG, NASL, iron squid or any other big foreigner tournament.

The whole point of having a regional tournament is to be able to watch the players from that region compete. If it was just going to be like this why even have a regional tournament? We already had tournaments where we could watch these players face each other. The whole point of a regional tournament is to see players from your own region compete and have a big tournament where they all meet each other.

As for the whole if you want a US only tourney run it yourself, what a childish and selfish attitude. You can criticize or give ideas for how the tournament should be run without having to start one yourself.

Edit: If fairness is the issue they should have split the prizes and seeds better. The Korean tournament should have more prize money and spots in the end of year tournament (at least to start with).
wptlzkwjd
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada1240 Posts
April 22 2013 06:47 GMT
#423
Wait what? xD The people representing WCS NA are all Koreans?
Feel free to add me on steam: http://steamcommunity.com/id/MagnusAskeland/
ibraishome
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Germany337 Posts
April 22 2013 06:49 GMT
#424
On April 22 2013 15:47 wptlzkwjd wrote:
Wait what? xD The people representing WCS NA are all Koreans?


No, only 9 of 28 so far...
Madars
Profile Joined December 2011
Latvia166 Posts
April 22 2013 06:58 GMT
#425
On April 22 2013 15:44 ElBlanco wrote:
The whole point of having a regional tournament is to be able to watch the players from that region compete. If it was just going to be like this why even have a regional tournament?


Cause your region now has players like Alicia TheStC Oz CranK Revival aLive Jaedong Apocalypse Heart JYP and many more
<3 Alexis Eusebio, Lee Shin Hyung, Choi Seong Hun, Joo Sung Wook, Jang Min Chul, Kim Yoo Jin, Lee Young Ho, Lee Shin Hyung, Yun Young Seo, Kim Joon Ho, Jeong Jong Hyeon, Eo Yoon Su, Johan Lucchesi, Ilyes Satouri
ElBlanco
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia140 Posts
April 22 2013 07:03 GMT
#426
On April 22 2013 15:58 Madars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2013 15:44 ElBlanco wrote:
The whole point of having a regional tournament is to be able to watch the players from that region compete. If it was just going to be like this why even have a regional tournament?


Cause your region now has players like Alicia TheStC Oz CranK Revival aLive Jaedong Apocalypse Heart JYP and many more


First of all i'm from SEA so my region just gets left in the dirt. If you're referring to NA then no it doesn't. Those players will fly in for the finals and win all the prize money but they aren't actually playing in and training with NA players.

We already had tournaments to watch players like that face foreigners and if you read my post you would notice i mentioned that. NASL, MLG, dreamhack, iron squid etc so why even bother with a regional tournament? The format used last year wasn't perfect but it was far better than what we have now.
Bocian
Profile Joined September 2010
Poland259 Posts
April 22 2013 07:04 GMT
#427
How about giving wcs to nasl? They have better studio, much better casters, and admins with brains
Daswollvieh
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
5553 Posts
April 22 2013 07:14 GMT
#428
On April 22 2013 15:44 ElBlanco wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2013 14:40 cutler wrote:
As already stated a thousand times...community wants the best players...so we get we best players,
If anybody is interested in a US only tourney...fine...just organise it.
From my point of view there are enough tournaments.

Although i am a bit dissapointed because of invitionals for WCS. Seeing players like Idra,Stephano or Forgg fight their ways through online qualifier. Wow...i would pay a lot for that!!!


If you want to watch the best Koreans play each other watch the GSL, GSTL, proleague or any other Korean tournament. If you want to watch Koreans playing against foreigners watch dreamhack, MLG, NASL, iron squid or any other big foreigner tournament.


You forgot an important option: If you want to watch good Starcraft, watch good Starcraft that is on at the moment. And that´s the Korean GSL and PL, because they are the only ones who provide regular, well produced content.


The whole point of having a regional tournament is to be able to watch the players from that region compete. If it was just going to be like this why even have a regional tournament? We already had tournaments where we could watch these players face each other. The whole point of a regional tournament is to see players from your own region compete and have a big tournament where they all meet each other.


To provide local players with easier travelling? There has been a German league since forever, only German players, as local as you can get, but few people actually care.

rename
Profile Joined February 2012
Estonia329 Posts
April 22 2013 07:17 GMT
#429
On April 22 2013 15:44 ElBlanco wrote:
If you want to watch the best Koreans play each other watch the GSL, GSTL, proleague or any other Korean tournament. If you want to watch Koreans playing against foreigners watch dreamhack, MLG, NASL, iron squid or any other big foreigner tournament.


No, you couldnt watch foreigners vs koreans since there is no proper live league, only weekend events and casts from replay.

On April 22 2013 15:44 ElBlanco wrote:
The whole point of having a regional tournament is to be able to watch the players from that region compete. If it was just going to be like this why even have a regional tournament? We already had tournaments where we could watch these players face each other. The whole point of a regional tournament is to see players from your own region compete and have a big tournament where they all meet each other.


Where did blizzard say that the aim of this new system is to gather up bunch of people from different countries and let them wave their flags around awkwardly.

The point is to have a proper league system in every region so every progamer would not have to fly to korea ( and risk not ever getting into code A ). The point is to provide high quality live starcraft in your timezone.

On April 22 2013 15:44 ElBlanco wrote:
As for the whole if you want a US only tourney run it yourself, what a childish and selfish attitude. You can criticize or give ideas for how the tournament should be run without having to start one yourself.

Edit: If fairness is the issue they should have split the prizes and seeds better. The Korean tournament should have more prize money and spots in the end of year tournament (at least to start with).


"Run it yourself" is actually a solid advice - to run a US-only tournament you dont need blizzard funds.
EU seem to have quite a bit of regional stuff, just look at http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Major_Tournaments and http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Minor_Tournaments - if the market for US/NA only tournament is there, then someone will do it.

Now to create something like WCS in NA/EU would be quite impossible without blizzard - so its wiser to let the big money ( blizzard ) take care of the big things. And leave the region-exclusive stuff to smaller local organizations and WCG.
ElBlanco
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia140 Posts
April 22 2013 07:32 GMT
#430
On April 22 2013 16:17 rename wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2013 15:44 ElBlanco wrote:
If you want to watch the best Koreans play each other watch the GSL, GSTL, proleague or any other Korean tournament. If you want to watch Koreans playing against foreigners watch dreamhack, MLG, NASL, iron squid or any other big foreigner tournament.


No, you couldnt watch foreigners vs koreans since there is no proper live league, only weekend events and casts from replay.

Show nested quote +
On April 22 2013 15:44 ElBlanco wrote:
The whole point of having a regional tournament is to be able to watch the players from that region compete. If it was just going to be like this why even have a regional tournament? We already had tournaments where we could watch these players face each other. The whole point of a regional tournament is to see players from your own region compete and have a big tournament where they all meet each other.


Where did blizzard say that the aim of this new system is to gather up bunch of people from different countries and let them wave their flags around awkwardly.

The point is to have a proper league system in every region so every progamer would not have to fly to korea ( and risk not ever getting into code A ). The point is to provide high quality live starcraft in your timezone.

Show nested quote +
On April 22 2013 15:44 ElBlanco wrote:
As for the whole if you want a US only tourney run it yourself, what a childish and selfish attitude. You can criticize or give ideas for how the tournament should be run without having to start one yourself.

Edit: If fairness is the issue they should have split the prizes and seeds better. The Korean tournament should have more prize money and spots in the end of year tournament (at least to start with).


"Run it yourself" is actually a solid advice - to run a US-only tournament you dont need blizzard funds.
EU seem to have quite a bit of regional stuff, just look at http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Major_Tournaments and http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Minor_Tournaments - if the market for US/NA only tournament is there, then someone will do it.

Now to create something like WCS in NA/EU would be quite impossible without blizzard - so its wiser to let the big money ( blizzard ) take care of the big things. And leave the region-exclusive stuff to smaller local organizations and WCG.


Run it yourself isn't solid advice at all. You're responding to individual posters who are obviously in no position to do such a thing.

At this point it's too late for blizzard to actually region lock the tournament so i won't even bother wasting my breath. At the very least if the purpose of this WCS is just to have a GSL in every region (well as long as think Europe/Korea/NA = the world) then they should at least try and make them all live tournaments. If the qualifiers and code A/code S were actually in a studio i wouldn't be complaining at all.

That way you would effectively have to live in the region to compete instead of this unfairly only applying to one region. That would do far more for the current scene than this current layout (it may actually encourage people to start proper team houses outside of Korea).
Jezal
Profile Joined April 2013
Bulgaria3 Posts
April 22 2013 13:44 GMT
#431
inb4 WCS America, dominated by koreans
Crownlol
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States3726 Posts
April 22 2013 13:50 GMT
#432
On April 22 2013 22:44 Jezal wrote:
inb4 WCS America, dominated by koreans


WCS KR2.

I really dislike how many Koreans are playing in NA, but don't forget that most NA players that can beat Koreans were already invited and are not playing in the qualifiers.
shaGuar :: elemeNt :: XeqtR :: naikon :: method
Kasu
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom345 Posts
April 22 2013 13:59 GMT
#433
Can anyone tell me how DeMusliM didn't get an invite to either EU or NA but Maker, Illusion, theognis, fenix all did?

Not to knock them but I can't see how they are more deserving of an invite.
Bagi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6799 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-22 14:10:39
April 22 2013 14:10 GMT
#434
On April 22 2013 22:59 Kasu wrote:
Can anyone tell me how DeMusliM didn't get an invite to either EU or NA but Maker, Illusion, theognis, fenix all did?

Not to knock them but I can't see how they are more deserving of an invite.

Demuslim was considered an EU player since he played in WCS EU last year and is still a UK citizen AFAIK. Of the invited players 16 were from the Americas and 8 were from other regions.
Bjarne
Profile Joined December 2012
Germany192 Posts
April 22 2013 14:14 GMT
#435
On April 21 2013 16:37 Type|NarutO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2013 13:36 Noobity wrote:
Well, this looks like it's not getting watched by me.

So much for an outlet to watch North Americans play North Americans to win the North American qualifiers and go up against the rest of the world as representatives of where I live.

I really hoped this would end up differently, but I guess it was me just being delusional. I thought "hey, the EU qualifiers didn't have that many non-europeans, it wont be too bad!" There were more chinese players who got dicked out of a spot than there were korean players in the EU wcs.

I hope so much that someone from North America qualifies through the lower brackets, but at this point I don't think it would matter for me.

I tried jumping on the "only want to see the best games!" bandwagon but fuck, dudes, this shit is old. Give me a goddamned storyline I can get behind. Holy crap. I wanted to believe in the WCS model so bad. It's really hard being a fan of the North American SC2 scene when you have so little going for you.


Fuck, get your infos about the players and stop bitching. There is no more or less story involved in NA players. Ignorance and stupiditiy really is rising. Don't want it and leave us alone, seriously.

Show nested quote +
On April 21 2013 14:00 Noobity wrote:
On April 21 2013 13:40 Bagration wrote:
On April 21 2013 13:36 Noobity wrote:
Well, this looks like it's not getting watched by me.

So much for an outlet to watch North Americans play North Americans to win the North American qualifiers and go up against the rest of the world as representatives of where I live.

I really hoped this would end up differently, but I guess it was me just being delusional. I thought "hey, the EU qualifiers didn't have that many non-europeans, it wont be too bad!" There were more chinese players who got dicked out of a spot than there were korean players in the EU wcs.

I hope so much that someone from North America qualifies through the lower brackets, but at this point I don't think it would matter for me.

I tried jumping on the "only want to see the best games!" bandwagon but fuck, dudes, this shit is old. Give me a goddamned storyline I can get behind. Holy crap. I wanted to believe in the WCS model so bad. It's really hard being a fan of the North American SC2 scene when you have so little going for you.


Well I guess I can understand where you are coming from somewhat, but it's not like the Koreans are mindless robots with no personality. To the contrary, many of them have very unique and interesting personalities, and many of them do put on a good show (not just play, but also showmanship).

Anyways, here's to a great showing by Axiom, and hopefully Heart and Miya can rally in the LB tomorrow.


I don't think you're trying to paint me in a negative light, but to defend my point I agree, there are plenty of koreans with a ton of personality. In fact I'd argue that all of them are interesting in some way.

But we should be seeing players like QXC, Nony, and Fitzy representing North America rather than STC Miya and Crank. I don't think many would argue that the latter are currently... Better I guess, but I want to cheer on the hometown heroes. Yeah, so maybe the gameplay elitists wouldn't want to watch WCS NA at that point, but why should we be stuck watching our foreign hopes in streamed online team league cups where in order to stay competitive they have to recruit Korean players anyway?

I love Korean tournaments, but I would love to have a single North American tournament with MLG production levels that features only North American players even once a year. I don't really think that's too much to ask.



No we should not see fucking QXC, NonY or Fitze represent America or for that matter the region NA they chose in a high profile 250 000$ tournament. No one wants to see another Ro32 MLG 3-0 sweep by Koreans. If there are Americans worthy of getting that spot, they will get their spot and they will not lose horribly.



Your totally wrong Naruto!

I care about Soke against Stephano, DeMuslim against Vortix or Hasu against Naama, HuK against QxC etc.

i DONT care about Byun against Keen or Alive against Miya - and im NOT alone!

And YES, I WANT to see real NA Players compete in MLG Ro32.

If you where right, the soccer WM 2014 has to be hole Europe + Brazil, Argentina and 2 or 3 other SA Nations.
But this is obviously NOT a WM. Most peolpe understand that.
We LIKE to see New Zealand, Japan and African Nations against the big ones. Its the spirit of the hole thing. Not EVERY game, sure, but it belongs together.

Blaming NA-Players for not being able to keep up with Top-Koreans is stupid enough and you should know that.
Same as if you let the Jamacian bobsled team compete with the swiss bobseld team and then laugh about Jamaica for loosing... its...ahhh...unintelligent...

Korea:
Money enough to be 10 hours a day in front of the screen
Best coaches
Best training plans
Best pratice partners
Support by Analysts and other team-stuff

Some foreigners have to earn money to play their bills beside playin, no or unexpirienced coaches, no 10-years-approved-training plan, less an weaker training-partners, no support....
Who will win?
Even big teams like EG have to search for KOREAN coaches to make their players better, and now think about clarity gaming, complexity, quantic! Do they have coach park? Why do their players loose against top-Koreans?


MMA II DeMuslim II MKP II JD II IdrA II HuK II Leenock II Stephano II
rrwrwx
Profile Joined March 2011
United States247 Posts
April 22 2013 14:14 GMT
#436
I've been reading a lot about this so far. I think that even if only Koreans are qualifying, making it a qualifier that anyone could qualify in was a good idea. This is some pretty stiff competition getting out of that bracket, and I'd rather see high quality games every step of the way, rather than first round knockouts when things get serious, because a bunch of NA players qualified solely on the merit that they weren't Korean.
Bjarne
Profile Joined December 2012
Germany192 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-22 14:18:33
April 22 2013 14:15 GMT
#437
On April 22 2013 23:14 Bjarne wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2013 16:37 Type|NarutO wrote:
On April 21 2013 13:36 Noobity wrote:
Well, this looks like it's not getting watched by me.

So much for an outlet to watch North Americans play North Americans to win the North American qualifiers and go up against the rest of the world as representatives of where I live.

I really hoped this would end up differently, but I guess it was me just being delusional. I thought "hey, the EU qualifiers didn't have that many non-europeans, it wont be too bad!" There were more chinese players who got dicked out of a spot than there were korean players in the EU wcs.

I hope so much that someone from North America qualifies through the lower brackets, but at this point I don't think it would matter for me.

I tried jumping on the "only want to see the best games!" bandwagon but fuck, dudes, this shit is old. Give me a goddamned storyline I can get behind. Holy crap. I wanted to believe in the WCS model so bad. It's really hard being a fan of the North American SC2 scene when you have so little going for you.


Fuck, get your infos about the players and stop bitching. There is no more or less story involved in NA players. Ignorance and stupiditiy really is rising. Don't want it and leave us alone, seriously.

On April 21 2013 14:00 Noobity wrote:
On April 21 2013 13:40 Bagration wrote:
On April 21 2013 13:36 Noobity wrote:
Well, this looks like it's not getting watched by me.

So much for an outlet to watch North Americans play North Americans to win the North American qualifiers and go up against the rest of the world as representatives of where I live.

I really hoped this would end up differently, but I guess it was me just being delusional. I thought "hey, the EU qualifiers didn't have that many non-europeans, it wont be too bad!" There were more chinese players who got dicked out of a spot than there were korean players in the EU wcs.

I hope so much that someone from North America qualifies through the lower brackets, but at this point I don't think it would matter for me.

I tried jumping on the "only want to see the best games!" bandwagon but fuck, dudes, this shit is old. Give me a goddamned storyline I can get behind. Holy crap. I wanted to believe in the WCS model so bad. It's really hard being a fan of the North American SC2 scene when you have so little going for you.


Well I guess I can understand where you are coming from somewhat, but it's not like the Koreans are mindless robots with no personality. To the contrary, many of them have very unique and interesting personalities, and many of them do put on a good show (not just play, but also showmanship).

Anyways, here's to a great showing by Axiom, and hopefully Heart and Miya can rally in the LB tomorrow.


I don't think you're trying to paint me in a negative light, but to defend my point I agree, there are plenty of koreans with a ton of personality. In fact I'd argue that all of them are interesting in some way.

But we should be seeing players like QXC, Nony, and Fitzy representing North America rather than STC Miya and Crank. I don't think many would argue that the latter are currently... Better I guess, but I want to cheer on the hometown heroes. Yeah, so maybe the gameplay elitists wouldn't want to watch WCS NA at that point, but why should we be stuck watching our foreign hopes in streamed online team league cups where in order to stay competitive they have to recruit Korean players anyway?

I love Korean tournaments, but I would love to have a single North American tournament with MLG production levels that features only North American players even once a year. I don't really think that's too much to ask.



No we should not see fucking QXC, NonY or Fitze represent America or for that matter the region NA they chose in a high profile 250 000$ tournament. No one wants to see another Ro32 MLG 3-0 sweep by Koreans. If there are Americans worthy of getting that spot, they will get their spot and they will not lose horribly.



Your totally wrong Naruto!

I care about Soke against Stephano, DeMuslim against Vortix or Hasu against Naama, HuK against QxC etc.

i DONT care about Byun against Keen or Alive against Miya - and im NOT alone!

And YES, I WANT to see real NA Players compete in MLG Ro32.

If you where right, the soccer WM 2014 has to be hole Europe + Brazil, Argentina and 2 or 3 other SA Nations.
But this is obviously NOT a WM. Most peolpe understand that.
We LIKE to see New Zealand, Japan and African Nations against the big ones. Its the spirit of the hole thing. Not EVERY game, sure, but it belongs together.

Blaming NA-Players for not being able to keep up with Top-Koreans is stupid enough and you should know that.
Same as if you let the Jamacian bobsled team compete with the swiss bobseld team and then laugh about Jamaica for loosing... its...ahhh...unintelligent...

Korea:
Money enough to be 10 hours a day in front of the screen
Best coaches
Best training plans
Best pratice partners
Support by Analysts and other team-stuff

Some foreigners have to earn money to pay their bills beside playin, no or unexpirienced coaches, no 10-years-approved-training plan, less an weaker training-partners, no support....
Who will win?
Even big teams like EG have to search for KOREAN coaches to make their players better, and now think about clarity gaming, complexity, quantic! Do they have coach park? Why do their players loose against top-Koreans?

A scene needs the chance to GROW, like the koreans scene had long time ago...


MMA II DeMuslim II MKP II JD II IdrA II HuK II Leenock II Stephano II
Jknighty
Profile Joined July 2011
159 Posts
April 22 2013 14:15 GMT
#438
Demuslim would have qualified easily but he got a brutal bracket. Still almost did it.
geokilla
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada8255 Posts
April 22 2013 14:16 GMT
#439
On April 22 2013 23:10 Bagi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2013 22:59 Kasu wrote:
Can anyone tell me how DeMusliM didn't get an invite to either EU or NA but Maker, Illusion, theognis, fenix all did?

Not to knock them but I can't see how they are more deserving of an invite.

Demuslim was considered an EU player since he played in WCS EU last year and is still a UK citizen AFAIK. Of the invited players 16 were from the Americas and 8 were from other regions.

You mean MLG fucked up. Polt is a KR player with KR citizenship (I think). He's only in USA for school. He played in WCS Korea too last year I think. Yet he's seeded into WCS NA.

Ya I didn't know DeMuslim was living in USA until recently, but MLG should've known right? Even if they didn't, they should've fixed the seeding and given him a seed. He's the best foreigner on NA ladder after all.
Bjarne
Profile Joined December 2012
Germany192 Posts
April 22 2013 14:16 GMT
#440
On April 22 2013 23:15 Bjarne wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2013 23:14 Bjarne wrote:
On April 21 2013 16:37 Type|NarutO wrote:
On April 21 2013 13:36 Noobity wrote:
Well, this looks like it's not getting watched by me.

So much for an outlet to watch North Americans play North Americans to win the North American qualifiers and go up against the rest of the world as representatives of where I live.

I really hoped this would end up differently, but I guess it was me just being delusional. I thought "hey, the EU qualifiers didn't have that many non-europeans, it wont be too bad!" There were more chinese players who got dicked out of a spot than there were korean players in the EU wcs.

I hope so much that someone from North America qualifies through the lower brackets, but at this point I don't think it would matter for me.

I tried jumping on the "only want to see the best games!" bandwagon but fuck, dudes, this shit is old. Give me a goddamned storyline I can get behind. Holy crap. I wanted to believe in the WCS model so bad. It's really hard being a fan of the North American SC2 scene when you have so little going for you.


Fuck, get your infos about the players and stop bitching. There is no more or less story involved in NA players. Ignorance and stupiditiy really is rising. Don't want it and leave us alone, seriously.

On April 21 2013 14:00 Noobity wrote:
On April 21 2013 13:40 Bagration wrote:
On April 21 2013 13:36 Noobity wrote:
Well, this looks like it's not getting watched by me.

So much for an outlet to watch North Americans play North Americans to win the North American qualifiers and go up against the rest of the world as representatives of where I live.

I really hoped this would end up differently, but I guess it was me just being delusional. I thought "hey, the EU qualifiers didn't have that many non-europeans, it wont be too bad!" There were more chinese players who got dicked out of a spot than there were korean players in the EU wcs.

I hope so much that someone from North America qualifies through the lower brackets, but at this point I don't think it would matter for me.

I tried jumping on the "only want to see the best games!" bandwagon but fuck, dudes, this shit is old. Give me a goddamned storyline I can get behind. Holy crap. I wanted to believe in the WCS model so bad. It's really hard being a fan of the North American SC2 scene when you have so little going for you.


Well I guess I can understand where you are coming from somewhat, but it's not like the Koreans are mindless robots with no personality. To the contrary, many of them have very unique and interesting personalities, and many of them do put on a good show (not just play, but also showmanship).

Anyways, here's to a great showing by Axiom, and hopefully Heart and Miya can rally in the LB tomorrow.


I don't think you're trying to paint me in a negative light, but to defend my point I agree, there are plenty of koreans with a ton of personality. In fact I'd argue that all of them are interesting in some way.

But we should be seeing players like QXC, Nony, and Fitzy representing North America rather than STC Miya and Crank. I don't think many would argue that the latter are currently... Better I guess, but I want to cheer on the hometown heroes. Yeah, so maybe the gameplay elitists wouldn't want to watch WCS NA at that point, but why should we be stuck watching our foreign hopes in streamed online team league cups where in order to stay competitive they have to recruit Korean players anyway?

I love Korean tournaments, but I would love to have a single North American tournament with MLG production levels that features only North American players even once a year. I don't really think that's too much to ask.



No we should not see fucking QXC, NonY or Fitze represent America or for that matter the region NA they chose in a high profile 250 000$ tournament. No one wants to see another Ro32 MLG 3-0 sweep by Koreans. If there are Americans worthy of getting that spot, they will get their spot and they will not lose horribly.



Your totally wrong Naruto!

I care about Soke against Stephano, DeMuslim against Vortix or Hasu against Naama, HuK against QxC etc.

i DONT care about Byun against Keen or Alive against Miya - and im NOT alone!

And YES, I WANT to see real NA Players compete in MLG Ro32.

If you where right, the soccer WM 2014 has to be hole Europe + Brazil, Argentina and 2 or 3 other SA Nations.
But this is obviously NOT a WM. Most peolpe understand that.
We LIKE to see New Zealand, Japan and African Nations against the big ones. Its the spirit of the hole thing. Not EVERY game, sure, but it belongs together.

Blaming NA-Players for not being able to keep up with Top-Koreans is stupid enough and you should know that.
Same as if you let the Jamacian bobsled team compete with the swiss bobseld team and then laugh about Jamaica for loosing... its...ahhh...unintelligent...

Korea:
Money enough to be 10 hours a day in front of the screen
Best coaches
Best training plans
Best pratice partners
Support by Analysts and other team-stuff

Some foreigners have to earn money to pay their bills beside playin, no or unexpirienced coaches, no 10-years-approved-training plan, less an weaker training-partners, no support....
Who will win?
Even big teams like EG have to search for KOREAN coaches to make their players better, and now think about clarity gaming, complexity, quantic! Do they have coach park? Why do their players loose against top-Koreans?

A scene needs the chance to GROW, like the koreans scene had long time ago.




MMA II DeMuslim II MKP II JD II IdrA II HuK II Leenock II Stephano II
Prev 1 20 21 22 23 24 25 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 1h 58m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
WinterStarcraft633
Reynor 242
StarCraft: Brood War
Larva 284
firebathero 81
Killer 81
actioN 76
Noble 29
Rain 28
Sharp 26
ajuk12(nOOB) 22
HiyA 13
yabsab 10
League of Legends
JimRising 601
Counter-Strike
fl0m823
SPUNJ181
Other Games
summit1g10803
NeuroSwarm117
Fuzer 67
ViBE35
[ Show 10 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• lizZardDota2303
League of Legends
• Rush1702
Upcoming Events
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1h 58m
WardiTV Invitational
3h 58m
SHIN vs Rogue
ByuN vs Solar
MaxPax vs TBD
herO vs TBD
Clem vs TBD
IPSL
8h 58m
Art_Of_Turtle vs KameZerg
Radley vs George
BSL
11h 58m
Artosis vs Dewalt
Ret vs Tech
SOOP
1d 1h
soO vs FanTaSy
WardiTV Weekly
1d 3h
Monday Night Weeklies
2 days
PiGosaur Cup
2 days
The PondCast
3 days
GSL
4 days
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
4 days
KCM Race Survival
5 days
RSL Revival
6 days
BSL
6 days
eOnzErG vs StRyKeR
Cross vs JDConan
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-11-14
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HCC Season 3

Ongoing

Acropolis #5
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 4
International ShieldBattery League
BSL Season 23
IPSL Winter 2026-27
Calamity Cup Div. A Season 8
Underdog Cup 2026 Div 2-3
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026

Upcoming

YSL S4
Sector 591
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
StarCraft2 Weekly Open Tournament 2026 Grand Finals
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
IEM Kraków 2027
PGL Bucharest 2027
BLAST Bounty Winter 2027
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.