EPTThe skill difference between the players will be too big to enjoy until the foreigners are all out
MC goes off on WCS & Polt's Machiavellian plan - Page 7
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ETisME
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The skill difference between the players will be too big to enjoy until the foreigners are all out | ||
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HeeroFX
United States2704 Posts
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gyad
United States423 Posts
On April 04 2013 12:33 gyad wrote: This applies to any competition though. There will always be winners and losers. And we also don't know that the hardwork won't pay off. Previously in the GSL, hard work DOES pay off because if you make it to code S, then you earn money. What we don't know yet, is how the point system works. I'm assuming that making it to the playoffs guarantees prize money. Furthermore, we also don't know whether GomTV plans to host additional non-WCS events during the off-season of GSL to make up for it. They only said that you can't run non-WCS related events on the same weekend as the WCS events. | ||
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AgentW
United States7725 Posts
In practicality, I can't see KeSPA sending anyone over, as it just doesn't seem like something they'd do, and I suppose that Korean teams won't cherrypick their players into the other regions, but if they were smart, I certainly think they would be wise to do so, they either have to put up with the latency or move to the US which is likely not financially viable. | ||
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Kachna
134 Posts
On April 04 2013 12:35 Pinski wrote: Here's what MC is saying. Code S is decided, period. The qualifiers for the KR are essentially done. You are either in Code S or you have 0 chance for the first season(hence the comments about throwing away a third of the season). This is his point. Isnt he saying this because of his friend MVP btw ? Because he is not in Code S. Anyway WoL didnt have a lot of consistency. If you miss third of the season you can still catch up. | ||
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rei
United States3593 Posts
On April 04 2013 12:32 Kachna wrote: If you as korean cant qualify through GSL then whats point qualifying through NA or EU if you wont be able to beat koreans from GSL anyway in finals ? well it's pretty obvious, they are qualifying through NA and EU so that we the consumers won't have to suffer through the roflstomp that is going to be a rape in the first round should an foreigner made it into the final tournament.  But on a seriously note, they do get a lot of prize money for winning the qualifier tournaments. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
And they can still treat GSL/OSL as they did before. While they were merged with WCS, it's not like they ceased to exist, since they still give out prize money and crown champions for individual seasons etc. Ultimately Blizzard couldn't please everybody. The ideal system from a spectator standpoint is for GSL and OSL to have implications for WCS, rather than for WCS to be completely separate. Given this, Blizzard had to transition to the new system in the way that's best for SC2 esports, and IMO they did. It's unfortunate that a bunch of Koreans probably lost out on their chance at a share of $1.6 mil, but let's face it, they didn't have much of a chance either way. | ||
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starslayer
United States696 Posts
On April 04 2013 12:13 StarStruck wrote: They won't receive any qualifier points from those. If they lock their region as Korea. They can only gain points from team leagues (which I'm strongly opposed to) and GSL Code S breakdown. In other words, for this upcoming WCS you have to be in Code S. That means a lot of legitimate Koreans don't have the same equal opportunity as the players in Europe/NA start with a clean slate. It's a long process if you try to qualify through Korea whereas EU and NA regions have it much easier with the format and structure. It's less work and definitely less skill outside of KR. If Koreans decide to travel they have more restrictions based on scheduling. If they decide to compete/move to other regions it's going to be much harder for them to retain their skill. holy shit im so slow thank you for this post i finally get it lolol | ||
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zenkicker
257 Posts
And the rewards will come.. | ||
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Kim Hyuna
Korea (South)264 Posts
On April 04 2013 12:36 rei wrote: I would not say an easier chance to qualify, they don't have to leave their home ground for a EU/NA team, they just need to fly to NA/EU for that particular weekend that MLG is happening or whatever other tournament is happening, just like what they had been doing all along for the past 2 years. Only thing is that if any korean do this they will not be completing in gsl, and that's all, they will still win all the money and all the points. Like what MC said, GSL alone is a prestige tournament which all Korean's progamers want a shot at it. Leaving KR to join MLG but not being able to participate in GSL is a no for most of them. Yonghwa knew he could take down MLG in ease that's why he left GSL U&D for it. And remember, not all teams have the funds to send their best player for MLG or EU/NA qualifier because not everyone is like LGIMMVP. I believed everyone should be given a fair chance to qualify (e.g. an separate qualifier for WCS). | ||
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Phil0s0pher
Australia317 Posts
On April 04 2013 12:41 starslayer wrote: holy shit im so slow thank you for this post i finally get it lolol The Koreans have legitimate concerns, well I think all players have legitimate concerns. I think Blizzard and the rest who took part in this WCS agenda will be watching very closely to see how their plan works out and will probably make changes for next year. Or if it works out then the Koreans fears may be belayed. | ||
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Belha
Italy2850 Posts
On April 04 2013 12:38 Jibba wrote: Will extra money be put into Code S and A in order to compensate for KR not receiving an extra event? I guess not if the money still going to the same pockets. | ||
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MCXD
Australia2738 Posts
I really hope the ESF players in particular give it their all. A lot of them feel like they're getting shortchanged and might try to drop out of the GSL by simply not caring/preparing and/or focusing entirely on the GSTL, so as to switch regions from KR to something else as soon as they can. This would completely ruin the GSL... I would not be surprised if by the end of 2013 GSL/OSL is almost entirely KeSPA players and most of the ESF players have decided to, if not already have, switched to NA/EU regions because of WCS and do not compete in the GSL anymore. While this isn't as much of a problem once it all happens and everything settles down. it is a problem when we still have pro-gamers who are unhappy with what they're stuck with and everything is admist a transition period. We've got many months to wait yet before things get fair and normal, I feel. It is very likely that the GSL as we know it will die and we will see a significant portion of the ESF players not play in it anymore. The most frustrating part of that, however, is right now, when the players who want to make a switch can't because they are stuck in Code A/S. Once everyone is settled and happy in the regions they want to be in things will get good again - but that may not be for another 9 months. I feel like there's pretty much no point to watching the GSL at all in the next few months. Right now some pro-gamers are frustrated and/or feel like it's a waste of time to play anymore, so they aren't "there" mentally. Some want to switch regions but can't - it's all a big mess, and the next few months of play in the GSL won't be truly indicative of much of anything, really. Honestly if this was a separate thing then it would be no problem. We could just say "if you don't like it, don't play in it" - except because the GSL/OSL are directly involved now... they have/could effectively ruin(ed) the two biggest, most important leagues in SC2. This isn't something you can just ignore. It's a big problem. | ||
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yrt123
Singapore1246 Posts
MC brings up some good points. Some people in this thread needs to stop seeing just what they want to see and learn some reading comprehension. | ||
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AgentW
United States7725 Posts
On April 04 2013 12:45 MCXD wrote: I posted my thoughts on this, indirectly, in the GSL thread: It is very likely that the GSL as we know it will die and we will see a significant portion of the ESF players not play in it anymore. The most frustrating part of that, however, is right now, when the players who want to make a switch can't because they are stuck in Code A/S. I feel like there's pretty much no point to watching the GSL at all in the next few months. I agree with you that it's clearly the smart move for any Code B and maybe some Code A players to switch, but will the eSF teams cherry pick their players to region switch? It could over complicate things for team leagues etc. in terms of scheduling. In terms of the average Korean's financial stability, however, I think people are missing the fact that NOTHING IS CHANGING (sorry for the caps, but this is critical), merely an additional system is being added to accrue points based on the existing system and online tournaments run by WCS. The average Korean still has to make his money from foreign tournaments (in this case non-affiliated ones) and GSL. I don't see what's different if they all stay in Korea. Things can only get better for them if they switch, as the money's easier. | ||
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RifleCow
Canada637 Posts
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On April 04 2013 12:41 starslayer wrote: holy shit im so slow thank you for this post i finally get it lolol Your welcome. Everyone will have to hold their breath until we see how Blizzard and co. plan on divvying up qualifier points. | ||
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dacimvrl
Vatican City State582 Posts
than Korea... | ||
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rei
United States3593 Posts
On April 04 2013 12:42 Kim Hyuna wrote: [/b]Like what MC said, GSL alone is a prestige tournament which all Korean's progamers want a shot at it. Leaving KR to join MLG but not being able to participate in GSL is a [b]no for most of them. Yonghwa knew he could take down MLG in ease that's why he left GSL U&D for it. and this mentality of wanting a shot at the most prestige is what drives the koreans to be the best, but not every korean have the guts to clime the highest mountain if they choose to take the ez way out and win some money the option is there, blizzard made this system to reward skills(and koreans have all the skills), but at the end of the day, if you want to win it all at the end of the final tournament, you would have to go through all those ppl that qualify through the GSL anyways. Here is the bottom line, the koreans will win every tournament, and all the money in all 3 continents. | ||
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Fake)Plants
United States373 Posts
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