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European leagues usually have less koreans
MC goes off on WCS & Polt's Machiavellian plan - Page 6
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winthrop
Hong Kong956 Posts
it is. European leagues usually have less koreans | ||
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CajunMan
United States823 Posts
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rei
United States3594 Posts
On April 04 2013 12:23 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote: The NA/EU tournaments will still be paying out good prize money, considerably more than they had in 2012. ya, and the koreans will therefore, win considerably more than they had in 2012 | ||
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Aeroplaneoverthesea
United Kingdom1977 Posts
On April 04 2013 12:26 rei wrote: What you said there is an illusion of choice, it's not a choice for them at all if you put limitation like that, it's like saying to a 4 year old kid that you can walk into the bar and drink beer but you will need to be this tall first. What's likely going to happen is that all the ppl in code S will stick around, and ppl from code A will win all the foreigner events, and all the code B koreans will be playing the code A matches  Blizzard would just step in and stop that anyway if it happened, which it won't. | ||
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Arwa
Indonesia24 Posts
We should gather @polt church lol | ||
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Kim Hyuna
Korea (South)264 Posts
Meaning those potential that have chance to win the whole WCS (e.g. Code A YongHwa. Ryung, HerO. Nestea, aLive, ByuN etc) will NOT be able to even qualify for it. Moving away from KR scene by joining EU/NA team would gave them an easier chance to qualify for WCS main event since korean's has been dominating EU/NA events. This is the worst case making Korean's programers to leave their home ground for a EU/NA teams. (e.g. Polt would swipe them whole NA qualifier). And Top 32 GSL Code S korean representatives are based on WoL skill and not HOTS. There are better HOTS skilled players that might even better than those in the current pool of Top 32. ByuN is an good example. Look how he all-killed during GSTL. Basically giving him zero chance to participate in WCS. | ||
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dtz
5834 Posts
On April 04 2013 12:26 Jerubaal wrote: For all the 'OMG can't you read WHARRGGLBBBLL' nobody said anything that contradicted me. If you take the words 'Korea(n)' and 'GSL/WCS' and replace them with any other tournament/nationality nobody would give a damn. I'm sorry you can't compete in every tournament in optimal fashion, MC, deal with it, brohan. And you think that suggesting a rule change that would benefit him proves the validity of his point? I guess we should send out a memo to all the tournaments that have separate qualifiers without region locks that they're doing it wrong. Eh you really need to read MC's opinion again man especially the end part because it seemed like you missed that He complained about the structure which would result in Koreans going overseas and taking over WCS NA and EU. He is worried that will kill interest of NA and EU fans even more. Right now, in an esports industry where it's a problem because Korean players are dominating every tournament, it's obvious from the perspective of a foreign esports fan to want to see players their country doing well. If Korean players go to WCS EU and WCS NA and dominate there as well, I wonder what kind of Amerian or European fan would want to watch the WCS finals . | ||
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Kachna
134 Posts
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gyad
United States423 Posts
This is an issue of supply (of jobs) and demand. The supply isn't there. It doesn't matter how hard a Korean works, because there will always be a percentage of players that probably won't be able to earn money. For example, if only the top 1 player won money (out of 100 total players), then it doesn't matter how hard all the 100 players work to get that top place because 99 of them will always get no pay. Of course, this is an issue with StarCraft 2 and South Korea mainly (SC2 isn't as big in South Korea anymore). Before, Koreans had more freedom to do foreign tournaments which increased the potential for them to get prize money. Now, most of it is just Korean tournaments only. This applies to any competition though. There will always be winners and losers. And we also don't know that the hardwork won't pay off. Previously in the GSL, hard work DOES pay off because if you make it to code S, then you earn money. What we don't know yet, is how the point system works. I'm assuming that making it to the playoffs guarantees prize money. | ||
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shockaslim
United States1105 Posts
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Pinski
United States126 Posts
On April 04 2013 12:32 Kachna wrote: If you as korean cant qualify through GSL then whats point qualifying through NA or EU if you wont be able to beat koreans from GSL anyway in finals ? Here's what MC is saying. Code S is decided, period. The qualifiers for the KR are essentially done. You are either in Code S or you have 0 chance for the first season(hence the comments about throwing away a third of the season). This is his point. | ||
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rei
United States3594 Posts
On April 04 2013 12:32 Kim Hyuna wrote: What MC said is true. WCS KR using GSL top 32 Code S as qualifier for WCS main event is an no go. Meaning those potential that have chance to win the whole WCS (e.g. Code A YongHwa. Ryung, HerO. Nestea, aLive, ByuN etc) will NOT be able to even qualify for it. Moving away from KR scene by joining EU/NA team would gave them an easier chance to qualify for WCS main event since korean's has been dominating EU/NA events. This is the worst case making Korean's programers to leave their home ground for a EU/NA teams. (e.g. Polt would swipe them whole NA qualifier). I would not say an easier chance to qualify, they don't have to leave their home ground for a EU/NA team, they just need to fly to NA/EU for that particular weekend that MLG is happening or whatever other tournament is happening, just like what they had been doing all along for the past 2 years. Only thing is that if any korean do this they will not be completing in gsl, and that's all, they will still win all the money and all the points. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On April 04 2013 12:20 jmbthirteen wrote: How can you say they won't win points for those? the MLG events Koreans will play in wont be the WCS events. And I'd imagine like DH, those MLGs will have WCS points. Nothing can be said for sure until the point system is revealed. The bolded is true. From what I heard, only NA/EU players will be able to receive qualifier points from premiere tournaments outside of Korea because of the region lock. Yes, they'll still be able to compete, but they won't receive points from them. I'm sure NA players will only receive points from NA tournaments as well and the same rule will apply to Europeans. The amount of work/effort you put into LANs like DH/MLG/IEM is very different too. It's a matter of days to earn qualifier points; whereas, in Korea you have to be a Code S player and to earn points is a lot harder and it's dragged out by their format. There are only a few guys who would stick around for such a thing. | ||
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lost_artz
United States366 Posts
If they are the best players are in the world, why the fuck shouldn't they win? | ||
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BearStorm
United States795 Posts
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GumBa
United Kingdom31935 Posts
lol to the pro banter with Polt. Huge props to Nani and Sase. Polt confirmed as scheming super genius :D | ||
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kju
6143 Posts
On April 04 2013 12:32 Kachna wrote: If you as korean cant qualify through GSL then whats point qualifying through NA or EU if you wont be able to beat koreans from GSL anyway in finals ? They're able to beat the code s koreans, but qualifying through NA/EU would be much easier. | ||
Jibba
United States22883 Posts
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Shiori
3815 Posts
On April 04 2013 12:36 lost_artz wrote: What I don't understand is the sentiment that Korean's shouldn't win everything. If they are the best players are in the world, why the fuck shouldn't they win? Good fucking question. Some people around here act like foreigners deserve charity or something. | ||
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BigKahunaBurger
Australia334 Posts
On April 04 2013 11:39 TommyP wrote: I remember on Lo3 that Incontrol was saying how he wanted to smack everyone that didn't agree this was a good thing. I really want to see incontrol hit MC. Well of course the guy that has won like 1400 dollars total in his entire Sc2 career wants the amount of competition in Korea to be stifled tremendously and have the NA region gifted a whole bunch of undeserving seeds. Unfortunately, it just means more Koreans coming and taking away NA/EU spots, and no one ends up winning. The fact that they pretty much brutalised the GSL and destroyed what was a really efficient system and great thing to watch is just sad. But, I suppose someone has to pay the bills and it cant be helped. | ||
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