EPTMC goes off on WCS & Polt's Machiavellian plan - Page 4
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rei
United States3594 Posts
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Beau_Monde
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Aerisky
United States12129 Posts
On April 04 2013 11:58 StarStruck wrote: A lot of you seem to be missing what he said. I would re-read the part about Code B/A gamers not having a shot to compete in the KR WCS because only Code S players qualify. In other words, it isn't a level playing field from the get go. Indeed. I thought Wax posted a pretty clear translation, but I suppose people's attention spans are too short or something, yeesh  MC brings up a pretty good issue with this for sure. | ||
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gyad
United States423 Posts
Everything that makes the tournament GSL is still there. The only difference is that there's less events, but that can be attributed to amount of prize money that's available the fact that there's no overlapping between GSL and OSL. It doesn't matter what we call it. GSL is GSL. | ||
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rei
United States3594 Posts
On April 04 2013 12:02 Beau_Monde wrote: Let's face it. The system is basically flawed for the Koreans. What can Korean players that aren't top code S players do other than move permanently to the Europe or US. There is nothing in Korea for them the same as foreigners now So why even bother playing and getting nowhere. I fear this will drive them to other games. They don't have to move permanently, they just need to show up at the event for the weekend, like they had been doing for the last 2 years. | ||
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Aeroplaneoverthesea
United Kingdom1977 Posts
On April 04 2013 12:01 rei wrote: the koreans don't have to move to usa or europe, they just need to show up a MLG / ESL events for the week end like they had been doing. At the end of the year, it will be the koreans who wins every single tournament in North America and Europe and Korea, nothing will change. Yeah but IEM and Dreamhack don't really pay out decent prize pool. Look at it this way in 2012 Koreans had the following tournaments paying out good money to Korean players: MLG, WCS, IPL, GSL, OSL, NASL. In 2013 they have. MLG, WCS. There's also NASL but I think their long term future in Sc2 is uncertain with these announcements. | ||
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bittman
Australia8759 Posts
On April 04 2013 12:02 Aerisky wrote: Indeed. I thought Wax posted a pretty clear translation, but I suppose people's attention spans are too short or something, yeesh MC brings up a pretty good issue with this for sure.People are lucky to read beyond the title of a thread before they want to reply to it. I'm surprised there hasn't been a post which reads: "MC is just sore that his 2-base doesn't work on Polt's sick TvP" | ||
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Aeroplaneoverthesea
United Kingdom1977 Posts
On April 04 2013 12:04 gyad wrote: Everything that makes the tournament GSL is still there. The only difference is that there's less events, but that can be attributed to amount of prize money that's available. Except last year they had WCS, OSL and GSL. Now they just have WCS, there's clearly a reduction in prize money/opportunities to win tournaments for Koreans. | ||
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Ry2D2
United States429 Posts
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lost_artz
United States366 Posts
Even for me, being in Code S right now, there's a lot to think about. In that case, how big of a dillema must this be for players in Code A or the preliminaries? In conclusion, it's a tournament format I really don't like. Just looking at LG-IM, there's Mvp, First, ByuL, Ragnarok, Seed, etc. in the preliminaries, and Nestea, Yonghwa, etc. in Code A who have automatically lost the right to compete in the first WCS Korea season. Only the 32 Code S players who were judged by their Wings of Liberty skill are Korean representatives. ------------------ Needs to be bolded in OP. | ||
ZeromuS
Canada13389 Posts
On April 04 2013 11:42 Waxangel wrote: come on, we all WISH we could. That's why I want to have my brain transplanted into a giant robot exo-skeleton Handymen are the future! | ||
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Zenbrez
Canada5973 Posts
Call it what you want. It's still GSL with global points that lead somewhere. | ||
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rei
United States3594 Posts
On April 04 2013 12:05 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote: Yeah but IEM and Dreamhack don't really pay out decent prize pool. Look at it this way in 2012 Koreans had the following tournaments paying out good money to Korean players: MLG, WCS, IPL, GSL, OSL, NASL. In 2013 they have. MLG, WCS. There's also NASL but I think their long term future in Sc2 is uncertain with these announcements. you forgot OSL still will go on, but what i'm pointing out is the certain instead of uncertain, we will still have koreans dominating all foreign events, nothing has change from that, and now there will be even more money involve for them if they win. I don't hear anything about 1.6mil being thrown around till blizzard came along. | ||
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gyad
United States423 Posts
On April 04 2013 12:06 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote: Except last year they had WCS, OSL and GSL. Now they just have WCS, there's clearly a reduction in prize money/opportunities to win tournaments for Koreans. We don't even know what the distribution in prize money is yet. It has nothing to do with it being unfair to Koreans. It's a change in formats. Koreans shouldn't be entitled to X amount of events every year. Who can say that if Blizzard didn't implement this change, that GSL wouldn't reduce the amount of events per year? | ||
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JJH777
United States4415 Posts
On April 04 2013 12:10 gyad wrote: We don't even know what the distribution in prize money is yet. It has nothing to do with it being unfair to Koreans. It's a change in formats. Koreans shouldn't be entitled to X amount of events every year. Who can say that if Blizzard didn't implement this change, that GSL wouldn't reduce the amount of events per year? Because they already had their entire schedule planned. Their plan was to do 4 events this year + WCS Korea with most likely another Blizzard cup at the end. Now the year will be 1 GSL and 2 WCS Koreas from gom. With 1 more WCS Korea from OSL. | ||
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Aeroplaneoverthesea
United Kingdom1977 Posts
On April 04 2013 12:08 Zenbrez wrote: Call it what you want. It's still GSL with global points that lead somewhere. On April 04 2013 12:09 rei wrote: you forgot OSL still will go on, but what i'm pointing out is the certain instead of uncertain, we will still have koreans dominating all foreign events, nothing has change from that, and now there will be even more money involve for them if they win. I don't hear anything about 1.6mil being thrown around till blizzard came along. So last season Koreans had 5 GSL's, 1 OSL, WCS Korea and WCS Asia. That's 8 domestic tournaments with good prize pools and prestige. This season they have 3. Do you see now why Koreans have been a bit shafted by this? | ||
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ffadicted
United States3545 Posts
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On April 04 2013 12:00 larse wrote: MC got the whole thing wrong. He can still go to all the old tournaments he likes. MLG, IEM, Dreamhack, NASL. He can still do all these just like the old days. They won't receive any qualifier points from those. If they lock their region as Korea. They can only gain points from team leagues (which I'm strongly opposed to) and GSL Code S breakdown. In other words, for this upcoming WCS you have to be in Code S. That means a lot of legitimate Koreans don't have the same equal opportunity as the players in Europe/NA start with a clean slate. It's a long process if you try to qualify through Korea whereas EU and NA regions have it much easier with the format and structure. It's less work and definitely less skill outside of KR. If Koreans decide to travel they have more restrictions based on scheduling. If they decide to compete/move to other regions it's going to be much harder for them to retain their skill. | ||
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rasers
Sweden691 Posts
On April 04 2013 11:57 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote: You also become a better gamer by experiencing winning tournaments, if anything the art of actually winning on the big stage is as important as actual in game skill. Just look at players like Mvp or MC. They haven't been the most skilled at their race in terms of mechanics for a long time imo but they know what it takes to win high pressure Bo5/Bo7's when huge amounts of money are on the line. Sase won enough in Wc3. and Naniwa in SC2. and they both played enough on the big stage  so i think they should be fine.i don't see your problem. they just want to become the best players. they are the anti Stephano. who doesn' t give a shit how good he is and just wants money. | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
And its funny because more money in esports comes from North America than anywhere else, especially now that Blizzard is even more involved. Same for viewership. | ||
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