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sitromit
7051 Posts
On April 04 2013 11:48 jalstar wrote: Yeah, Koreans tend to show up in higher numbers to US tournaments. That's because US tournaments paid their expenses in most cases, and going to Europe is more expensive in general. | ||
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Jerubaal
United States7684 Posts
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
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Clefairy
1570 Posts
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Zurichan
36 Posts
On April 04 2013 11:54 Jerubaal wrote: So basically he's complaining that since the best players are Korean, he's upset that the world's SC2 tournaments aren't structured so that Koreans can come in at their convenience and win. That is not what he is saying. Wow, people cannot read these days. | ||
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Pufftrees
2449 Posts
On April 04 2013 11:37 StarStruck wrote: He has legitimate beef. Yea I have to agree. I wonder how this is all going to work out. | ||
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rename
Estonia329 Posts
On April 04 2013 11:53 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote: His main complaint if you'd actually care to read the translation is that player are 'locked' into Korea by being in Code A/B this season (on the back of WOL play) even though they have no chance to win points and make the regional finals and weren't told in advance and given the option to drop out of Code A/B and play in NA/EU where they would have been able to win points or a spot in the regionals from the start. For players in Code A/B then a third of the season is basically forfeit on the back of WOL play and with them not being given the option to play in another region. Alright, that is a legitimate concern i was not aware of - everybody just seem to be jumping on the general idea of having three regions to choose from. | ||
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Aeroplaneoverthesea
United Kingdom1977 Posts
On April 04 2013 11:50 StarStruck wrote: I see no problem with it. At the end of the day they want to become a better gamer and competing in the hardest market most certainly helps. It's their decision you don't have to agree with it, but if they feel like they can compete I say let them. More power to them! You also become a better gamer by experiencing winning tournaments, if anything the art of actually winning on the big stage is as important as actual in game skill. Just look at players like Mvp or MC. They haven't been the most skilled at their race in terms of mechanics for a long time imo but they know what it takes to win high pressure Bo5/Bo7's when huge amounts of money are on the line. | ||
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JJH777
United States4416 Posts
On April 04 2013 11:42 gyad wrote: It's not like the Koreans HAVE to come to the west. They're just butthurt that they can't win free money in the WCS events. They can still have to the non-WCS events if they want. And even if they wanted to, most of them probably didn't have the money to come anyway. If Blizzard never announced this WCS stuff, 95% of the Koreans would still be playing in Korean tournaments anyway. They're just butthurt that can't play in our tournaments on a whim. You have very poor reading comprehension. The thing they don't like is that GSL no longer exists. | ||
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Blargh
United States2103 Posts
I definitely think that WCS using GSL as their regional is quite silly. It obviously should have been a separate tournament like MLG will have. The regional tournaments should be open to anyone who wants to participate in them, not through some long qualifier. GSL may be known for how competitive and difficult it is, but it never has been the best representation of skill. I imagine there are plenty of "Code B" players (particularly some Kespa players) who could knock out Code A/S players if there was a totally open WCS tournament. Anyway, they should just make a separate tournament in Korea that ISN'T GSL. @Doodsmack You must not care much for equality or fairness. If someone makes a new $2000000000000 tournament and everyone except for you was invited, would you be upset? It's true that many players do not care about the money, and only the prestige (GSL was a good example). But, since GSL is PART of an even larger tournament, then wouldn't it only make sense that the larger tournament was more prestigious? And obviously, larger prize pool is significant... | ||
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gyad
United States423 Posts
On April 04 2013 11:49 dinosrwar wrote: It punishes the Korean scene for being good while rewarding Americans who are pretty terrible in comparison with 5 slots out of a 16 slot tournament. A bit silly. Esports version of affirmative action. | ||
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zenkicker
257 Posts
Blizzard is like "Here's the money, here's the system, now bring me the best damn player in the planet!" Some (or most) players are like "Oh shit, I'm f*cked in this place, time to bolt and cash-in somewhere!" or "Oh no, there will never be no more chance for me to win this...QQ" Where will we ever hear "F*ck it, I'm gonna ladder like crazy and beat the sh*t all of you and take home my moolah!"? (oh the ideal world!) | ||
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Oblivion753
United States73 Posts
On April 04 2013 11:54 Jerubaal wrote: So basically he's complaining that since the best players are Korean, he's upset that the world's SC2 tournaments aren't structured so that Koreans can come in at their convenience and win. What? Did you even read the post? READ THE LAST PARAGRAPH. He clearly states that this decision hurts the foreign viewers and competitors just as much as it hurts the KR players. The structure makes no sense for any of the parties involved and really leaves more people disliking it than actually enjoying the new format. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On April 04 2013 11:54 Jerubaal wrote: So basically he's complaining that since the best players are Korean, he's upset that the world's SC2 tournaments aren't structured so that Koreans can come in at their convenience and win. A lot of you seem to be missing what he said. I would re-read the part about Code B/A gamers not having a shot to compete in the KR WCS because only Code S players qualify. In other words, it isn't a level playing field from the get go. | ||
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J.E.G.
United States389 Posts
If they join foreign team house, those teams will get more sponsorship money and can dedicate more resources to their foreign players. Win win. Ain't nothin goin on but the rent. | ||
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garlicface
Canada4196 Posts
On April 04 2013 11:53 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote: His main complaint if you'd actually care to read the translation is that player are 'locked' into Korea by being in Code A/B this season (on the back of WOL play) even though they have no chance to win points and make the regional finals and weren't told in advance and given the option to drop out of Code A/B and play in NA/EU where they would have been able to win points or a spot in the regionals from the start. For players in Code A/B then a third of the season is basically forfeit on the back of WOL play and with them not being given the option to play in another region. Ahh, now I understand the problem with the GSL/WCS. | ||
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gyad
United States423 Posts
On April 04 2013 11:57 JJH777 wrote: You have very poor reading comprehension. The thing they don't like is that GSL no longer exists. GSL still exists. | ||
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larse
1611 Posts
He can still go to all the old tournaments he likes. MLG, IEM, Dreamhack, NASL, Homecup. He can still do all these just like the old days. | ||
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JJH777
United States4416 Posts
No. It is WCS Korea now. | ||
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Aeroplaneoverthesea
United Kingdom1977 Posts
On April 04 2013 11:55 Doodsmack wrote: I don't see why WCS has to suddenly dominate a progamer's career path. It's basically just another tournament on top of the many that already exist. They can still treat preliminaries/Code A/Code S as they did before. And they can go to foreign tournaments. They just probably won't play in the WCS finals. Because $1.6m is a lot of money, IPL, GSL and OSL don't exist anymore and HSC, Dreamhack and IEM don't pay out decent prize money unless you win and even then it's kind of low. The only place to earn decent prize money now outside of WCS is NASL and MLG and the future of NASL is pretty unclear at this point. So yeah WCS is kind of a big deal, it's basically all that really matters now. | ||
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