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MC goes off on WCS & Polt's Machiavellian plan

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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33701 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-04 02:32:41
April 04 2013 02:32 GMT
#1
Twitter is such a great medium for stalking people, and for people who enjoy being stalked to tell their stalkers what's on their minds. Here are some tweets from yesterday, following the Blizzard WCS announcement.


SK_MC's Rant

@SK__MC: No matter how I look at it, I can only see WCS as having disadvantageous conditions for Korean players. Players who are in the qualifiers [old Code B] cannot compete in WCS Korea at all [MC means the Code S/top 32 division].

Players who compete in the most difficult tournament, the GSL, will be picked as Korea's representatives. However, if you're not going to prevent Korean players from going to other countries [to compete in either the America or EU region], then it makes practicing in Korea for Korean tournaments itself a foolish act. Anyone would rather qualify easily from America or Europe, as opposed to a place with many strong, Korean players.

I just don't get Blizzard's plan. Either allow only players from that country to play in their region, or make a separate qualifier [and tournament] for WCS instead of turning the GSL into the WCS. For Korean players who are down in the qualifiers/Code B right now, WCS is a tournament that you really have no desire to play.

Even for me, being in Code S right now, there's a lot to think about. In that case, how big of a dillema must this be for players in Code A or the preliminaries? In conclusion, it's a tournament format I really don't like.

Just looking at LG-IM, there's Mvp, First, ByuL, Ragnarok, Seed, etc. in the preliminaries, and Nestea, Yonghwa, etc. in Code A who have automatically lost the right to compete in the first WCS Korea season. Only the 32 Code S players who were judged by their Wings of Liberty skill are Korean representatives.

To make an analogy, let's say for soccer there's the Premier league in England, the Chinese league, and Japanese league. There's a 'champions league' type tournament, and they seed the top five teams from each of the national leagues. The condition is, clubs can decide which league they want to play in, and the 2nd and 3rd vision of the Premier league can't even play in the champions league while all the JP/CN teams compete together in their league. What would top teams like Manchester United, Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool etc. think? What would the teams in the lower divisions of English football think? Would there be any reason for them to play in the lower divisions of England where they can't even play in the champions league, when they could get top results in the overseas leagues?

[Incomprehensible archery analogy omitted] Right now, in an esports industry where it's a problem because Korean players are dominating every tournament, it's obvious from the perspective of a foreign esports fan to want to see players their country doing well. If Korean players go to WCS EU and WCS NA and dominate there as well, I wonder what kind of Amerian or European fan would want to watch the WCS finals.

Teammates respond:
‏@LGIMSeed: Because I'm in the preliminaries, I've forcefully had pain inflicted.
‏@IM_RagnaroK: T_T so painful


Worshipers gather at the church of Polt

‏@TSLRam I can hear the sound of Polt shoveling all the way from here.
‏@CMStormPolt: I can hear the sound of people packing and moving to America all the way from here...
‏@TSLRam: Lol, because of restrictions, most of the guys saying they'll go probably won't be able to? LOL
@Quantic_Center: Ah... Hyung.... Looks like you're going to sweep everything up.
@AzubuSymbol: Whew... really a god-like move. You can see the future...
@QuanticHyuN: So f***ing amazing, 'that person's' decision making... whew...
@CMStormPolt: Center, you come to America too! lololol
@IM_Ragnarok: T_T I'm ruined, so I'll just study for the college extrance exams.

@LiquidTaeJa: I should go to the US or Europe!
‏@AxMiya: Then I shall remain in Korea.
@purerakuen: Is this the start of deep mind-games between proagmers?
@LiquidTaeJa: Lololol, yes, this is the beginning.
@purerakuen: Polt says don't come to the US.
@LiquidTaeJa: Huk! Then I'll go to Europe.
@FXOLeenock: Is this the godly play from the Seoul National University student?


Pro-gamers being emo.

@EGJYP: So should I just go to the USA?~~~

@ST_Golden: Lot to think about...

‏@Liquid_HerO: Has the time come to leave???

EGOzRC: Hmm... do I have to go the USA?


Pro-gamers not being emo.

@ApolloSC2: My opinion: Why do EU/NA players ever care to play in Korea anymore?
@HelloSaSe: because some players wanna be as good as possible instead of making money. If I cared much about money I would ALWAYS be in EU^^

NaNiwaSC2: @MLGSundance if u were really gonna help them then you would make them actually MOVE to usa all the time, instead of online + lan... I mean for NA ofcourse guys.. i will still try to practice in KR and win . i dont give a shit who i have to play

AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
KaiserKieran
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States615 Posts
April 04 2013 02:33 GMT
#2
Bosstoss strikes again.
Archile
Profile Joined June 2011
United States403 Posts
April 04 2013 02:36 GMT
#3
this is really interesting... I wonder if we will see a mass retirement/migration of current koreans o.O
Just a bad player trying to be a little less bad
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
April 04 2013 02:37 GMT
#4
He has legitimate beef.
eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
April 04 2013 02:38 GMT
#5
Polt's Machiavellian plan

Twitter is such a great medium for stalking people, and for people who enjoy being stalked to tell their stalkers what's on their minds.

Worshipers gather at the church of Polt

Gave me a good chuckle.
ㅇㅅㅌㅅ
TommyP
Profile Joined December 2011
United States6231 Posts
April 04 2013 02:39 GMT
#6
I remember on Lo3 that Incontrol was saying how he wanted to smack everyone that didn't agree this was a good thing. I really want to see incontrol hit MC.
#TheOneTrueDong
NotSorry
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States6722 Posts
April 04 2013 02:39 GMT
#7
Big Props to the Pros who say fuck it to the easy path and fight it out in Korea to be the very best.
We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. - Orwell
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
April 04 2013 02:40 GMT
#8
Thanks for translating this. Interesting perspective.
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
SolidMoose
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1240 Posts
April 04 2013 02:40 GMT
#9
There really should be a separate tournament from Code S/OSL if NA and EU are having it that way.
Aerisky
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States12129 Posts
April 04 2013 02:40 GMT
#10
Oh shit. MC spitting dem truths :O pretty interesting though... :O
Jim while Johnny had had had had had had had; had had had had the better effect on the teacher.
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
April 04 2013 02:41 GMT
#11
On April 04 2013 11:39 TommyP wrote:
I remember on Lo3 that Incontrol was saying how he wanted to smack everyone that didn't agree this was a good thing. I really want to see incontrol hit MC.


Because you should hit everyone who doesn't share the same opinions as you're own. That's classy.
BlueLanterna
Profile Joined April 2011
291 Posts
April 04 2013 02:41 GMT
#12
"Is this the godly play from the Seoul National University student?"

LOL I love Leenock
shindigs
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States4795 Posts
April 04 2013 02:41 GMT
#13
Polt's decision making lol
Photographer@shindags || twitch.tv/shindigs
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33701 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-04 02:42:25
April 04 2013 02:42 GMT
#14
On April 04 2013 11:41 StarStruck wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2013 11:39 TommyP wrote:
I remember on Lo3 that Incontrol was saying how he wanted to smack everyone that didn't agree this was a good thing. I really want to see incontrol hit MC.


Because you should hit everyone who doesn't share the same opinions as you're own. That's classy.


come on, we all WISH we could. That's why I want to have my brain transplanted into a giant robot exo-skeleton
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
gyad
Profile Joined May 2010
United States423 Posts
April 04 2013 02:42 GMT
#15
It's not like the Koreans HAVE to come to the west. They're just butthurt that they can't win free money in the WCS events. They can still have to the non-WCS events if they want. And even if they wanted to, most of them probably didn't have the money to come anyway. If Blizzard never announced this WCS stuff, 95% of the Koreans would still be playing in Korean tournaments anyway. They're just butthurt that can't play in our tournaments on a whim.
mrRoflpwn
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2618 Posts
April 04 2013 02:42 GMT
#16
Haha I love banter the guys are having with Polt. Polt gonna dominate NA so hard. Leenock" Is this the godly play of a Seoul National University student?" I died laughing.
Long live the Boss Toss!
nomyx
Profile Joined June 2012
United States2205 Posts
April 04 2013 02:42 GMT
#17

@HelloSaSe: because some players wanna be as good as possible instead of making money. If I cared much about money I would ALWAYS be in EU^^


Money is easier in EU than US?
captainquinine
Profile Joined August 2011
United States35 Posts
April 04 2013 02:42 GMT
#18
naniwa calling it out!
The median isn't the message.
Erik.TheRed
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1655 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-04 02:45:44
April 04 2013 02:44 GMT
#19
So awesome to see SaSe & Nani fighting the good fight.
"See you space cowboy"
WhiteSatin
Profile Joined December 2012
United States308 Posts
April 04 2013 02:44 GMT
#20
naniwa is the ultimate boss
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