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On April 04 2013 12:12 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 12:08 Zenbrez wrote:On April 04 2013 12:01 JJH777 wrote:On April 04 2013 12:00 gyad wrote:On April 04 2013 11:57 JJH777 wrote:On April 04 2013 11:42 gyad wrote:
It's not like the Koreans HAVE to come to the west. They're just butthurt that they can't win free money in the WCS events. They can still have to the non-WCS events if they want. And even if they wanted to, most of them probably didn't have the money to come anyway. If Blizzard never announced this WCS stuff, 95% of the Koreans would still be playing in Korean tournaments anyway. They're just butthurt that can't play in our tournaments on a whim. You have very poor reading comprehension. The thing they don't like is that GSL no longer exists. GSL still exists. No. It is WCS Korea now. Call it what you want. It's still GSL with global points that lead somewhere. Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 12:09 rei wrote:On April 04 2013 12:05 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On April 04 2013 12:01 rei wrote:
the koreans don't have to move to usa or europe, they just need to show up a MLG / ESL events for the week end like they had been doing. At the end of the year, it will be the koreans who wins every single tournament in North America and Europe and Korea, nothing will change. Yeah but IEM and Dreamhack don't really pay out decent prize pool. Look at it this way in 2012 Koreans had the following tournaments paying out good money to Korean players: MLG, WCS, IPL, GSL, OSL, NASL. In 2013 they have. MLG, WCS. There's also NASL but I think their long term future in Sc2 is uncertain with these announcements. you forgot OSL still will go on, but what i'm pointing out is the certain instead of uncertain, we will still have koreans dominating all foreign events, nothing has change from that, and now there will be even more money involve for them if they win. I don't hear anything about 1.6mil being thrown around till blizzard came along. So last season Koreans had 5 GSL's, 1 OSL, WCS Korea and WCS Asia. That's 8 domestic tournaments with good prize pools and prestige. This season they have 3. Do you see now why Koreans have been a bit shafted by this?
they are whining because blizzard is ganna pay over 1millions in prize money more than the previous 2 years combine? and all those prize money will surely go to the koreans' pockets? No man, they should be laughing their asses off, Ez money!
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On April 04 2013 12:14 rasers wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 11:57 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On April 04 2013 11:50 StarStruck wrote:On April 04 2013 11:48 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On April 04 2013 11:44 Erik.TheRed wrote:
So awesome to see SaSe & Nani fighting the good fight. It makes absolutely no sense at all to stay in Korea if you're a foreigner. If rotting in Code B for the next 12 months if the 'good fight' to you then that's fine and I'm not a fan of either player but their decision is absurd. I see no problem with it. At the end of the day they want to become a better gamer and competing in the hardest market most certainly helps. It's their decision you don't have to agree with it, but if they feel like they can compete I say let them. More power to them! You also become a better gamer by experiencing winning tournaments, if anything the art of actually winning on the big stage is as important as actual in game skill. Just look at players like Mvp or MC. They haven't been the most skilled at their race in terms of mechanics for a long time imo but they know what it takes to win high pressure Bo5/Bo7's when huge amounts of money are on the line. Sase won enough in Wc3. and Naniwa in SC2. and they both played enough on the big stage  so i think they should be fine. i don't see your problem. they just want to become the best players. they are the anti Stephano. who doesn' t give a shit how good he is and just wants money.
Sase won major tournaments in WC3? Naniwa's only won one major tournament and it was basically just bashing on NA players not to mention it was two years ago.
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On April 04 2013 12:01 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 11:55 Doodsmack wrote:
I don't see why WCS has to suddenly dominate a progamer's career path. It's basically just another tournament on top of the many that already exist. They can still treat preliminaries/Code A/Code S as they did before. And they can go to foreign tournaments. They just probably won't play in the WCS finals. Because $1.6m is a lot of money, IPL, GSL and OSL don't exist anymore and HSC, Dreamhack and IEM don't pay out decent prize money unless you win and even then it's kind of low. The only place to earn decent prize money now outside of WCS is NASL and MLG and the future of NASL is pretty unclear at this point. So yeah WCS is kind of a big deal, it's basically all that really matters now.
not really. its pretty much the same as last year minus IPL, which has nothing to do with WCS. GSL was always most important to Koreans, now just exchange that for WCS. GSL and OSL don't exist in the way they did last year, but its not like they folded like IPL, they are just WCS now.
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On April 04 2013 12:13 ffadicted wrote:
The incentive NEEDS to be more money and points in korea. They simply cannot split the rewards evenly, anything close to even would be a travesty
No they don't need to, because the koreans will be dominating all the foreigner events like they usually do, all the points from NA and EU are going to go to the koreans, MLG will fly them over every event for sure.
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On April 04 2013 12:15 rei wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 12:12 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On April 04 2013 12:08 Zenbrez wrote:On April 04 2013 12:01 JJH777 wrote:On April 04 2013 12:00 gyad wrote:On April 04 2013 11:57 JJH777 wrote:On April 04 2013 11:42 gyad wrote:
It's not like the Koreans HAVE to come to the west. They're just butthurt that they can't win free money in the WCS events. They can still have to the non-WCS events if they want. And even if they wanted to, most of them probably didn't have the money to come anyway. If Blizzard never announced this WCS stuff, 95% of the Koreans would still be playing in Korean tournaments anyway. They're just butthurt that can't play in our tournaments on a whim. You have very poor reading comprehension. The thing they don't like is that GSL no longer exists. GSL still exists. No. It is WCS Korea now. Call it what you want. It's still GSL with global points that lead somewhere. On April 04 2013 12:09 rei wrote:On April 04 2013 12:05 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On April 04 2013 12:01 rei wrote:
the koreans don't have to move to usa or europe, they just need to show up a MLG / ESL events for the week end like they had been doing. At the end of the year, it will be the koreans who wins every single tournament in North America and Europe and Korea, nothing will change. Yeah but IEM and Dreamhack don't really pay out decent prize pool. Look at it this way in 2012 Koreans had the following tournaments paying out good money to Korean players: MLG, WCS, IPL, GSL, OSL, NASL. In 2013 they have. MLG, WCS. There's also NASL but I think their long term future in Sc2 is uncertain with these announcements. you forgot OSL still will go on, but what i'm pointing out is the certain instead of uncertain, we will still have koreans dominating all foreign events, nothing has change from that, and now there will be even more money involve for them if they win. I don't hear anything about 1.6mil being thrown around till blizzard came along. So last season Koreans had 5 GSL's, 1 OSL, WCS Korea and WCS Asia. That's 8 domestic tournaments with good prize pools and prestige. This season they have 3. Do you see now why Koreans have been a bit shafted by this? they are whining because blizzard is ganna pay over 1millions in prize money more than the previous 2 years combine? and all those prize money will surely go to the koreans' pockets? No man, they should be laughing their asses off, Ez money!
There's no way in hell the prize money for Koreans will add up to as much as the 5 GSLs, Blizzard cup, WCS Korea, OSL, WCS Asia, and WCS World from last year. The 1.6mil is global prize pool. I guess if 1/3 of the koreans go to each of the regions they might win it all but I doubt that will happen.
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On April 04 2013 12:05 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 12:01 rei wrote:
the koreans don't have to move to usa or europe, they just need to show up a MLG / ESL events for the week end like they had been doing. At the end of the year, it will be the koreans who wins every single tournament in North America and Europe and Korea, nothing will change. Yeah but IEM and Dreamhack don't really pay out decent prize pool. Look at it this way in 2012 Koreans had the following tournaments paying out good money to Korean players: MLG, WCS, IPL, GSL, OSL, NASL. In 2013 they have. MLG, WCS. There's also NASL but I think their long term future in Sc2 is uncertain with these announcements.
WCS is paying out much more money this year. that can't be ignored.
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what'd i say, what'd i say
blizzard is the new kespa
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On April 04 2013 12:18 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 12:05 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On April 04 2013 12:01 rei wrote:
the koreans don't have to move to usa or europe, they just need to show up a MLG / ESL events for the week end like they had been doing. At the end of the year, it will be the koreans who wins every single tournament in North America and Europe and Korea, nothing will change. Yeah but IEM and Dreamhack don't really pay out decent prize pool. Look at it this way in 2012 Koreans had the following tournaments paying out good money to Korean players: MLG, WCS, IPL, GSL, OSL, NASL. In 2013 they have. MLG, WCS. There's also NASL but I think their long term future in Sc2 is uncertain with these announcements. WCS is paying out much more money this year. that can't be ignored.
That's because they are counting the money that GSL and OSL are paying as WCS Prize money...
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On April 04 2013 12:15 rei wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 12:12 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On April 04 2013 12:08 Zenbrez wrote:On April 04 2013 12:01 JJH777 wrote:On April 04 2013 12:00 gyad wrote:On April 04 2013 11:57 JJH777 wrote:On April 04 2013 11:42 gyad wrote:
It's not like the Koreans HAVE to come to the west. They're just butthurt that they can't win free money in the WCS events. They can still have to the non-WCS events if they want. And even if they wanted to, most of them probably didn't have the money to come anyway. If Blizzard never announced this WCS stuff, 95% of the Koreans would still be playing in Korean tournaments anyway. They're just butthurt that can't play in our tournaments on a whim. You have very poor reading comprehension. The thing they don't like is that GSL no longer exists. GSL still exists. No. It is WCS Korea now. Call it what you want. It's still GSL with global points that lead somewhere. On April 04 2013 12:09 rei wrote:On April 04 2013 12:05 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On April 04 2013 12:01 rei wrote:
the koreans don't have to move to usa or europe, they just need to show up a MLG / ESL events for the week end like they had been doing. At the end of the year, it will be the koreans who wins every single tournament in North America and Europe and Korea, nothing will change. Yeah but IEM and Dreamhack don't really pay out decent prize pool. Look at it this way in 2012 Koreans had the following tournaments paying out good money to Korean players: MLG, WCS, IPL, GSL, OSL, NASL. In 2013 they have. MLG, WCS. There's also NASL but I think their long term future in Sc2 is uncertain with these announcements. you forgot OSL still will go on, but what i'm pointing out is the certain instead of uncertain, we will still have koreans dominating all foreign events, nothing has change from that, and now there will be even more money involve for them if they win. I don't hear anything about 1.6mil being thrown around till blizzard came along. So last season Koreans had 5 GSL's, 1 OSL, WCS Korea and WCS Asia. That's 8 domestic tournaments with good prize pools and prestige. This season they have 3. Do you see now why Koreans have been a bit shafted by this? they are whining because blizzard is ganna pay over 1millions in prize money more than the previous 2 years combine? and all those prize money will surely go to the koreans' pockets? No man, they should be laughing their asses off, Ez money!
On April 04 2013 12:18 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 12:05 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On April 04 2013 12:01 rei wrote:
the koreans don't have to move to usa or europe, they just need to show up a MLG / ESL events for the week end like they had been doing. At the end of the year, it will be the koreans who wins every single tournament in North America and Europe and Korea, nothing will change. Yeah but IEM and Dreamhack don't really pay out decent prize pool. Look at it this way in 2012 Koreans had the following tournaments paying out good money to Korean players: MLG, WCS, IPL, GSL, OSL, NASL. In 2013 they have. MLG, WCS. There's also NASL but I think their long term future in Sc2 is uncertain with these announcements. WCS is paying out much more money this year. that can't be ignored.
The combined prize pool of all 5 GSL's, Blizzard Cup and OSL last year was about $1m, plus they had the WCS money on top of that.
It's really not a prize bump for Koreans at all, it's a prize bump for foreigners but not Koreans.
That is unless GSL/OSL are still paying out their usual prize money and the Blizzard $1.6m is purely for Regional/Global finals, but that's not how I saw it from the press release.
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On April 04 2013 12:18 JJH777 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 12:15 rei wrote:On April 04 2013 12:12 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On April 04 2013 12:08 Zenbrez wrote:On April 04 2013 12:01 JJH777 wrote:On April 04 2013 12:00 gyad wrote:On April 04 2013 11:57 JJH777 wrote:On April 04 2013 11:42 gyad wrote:
It's not like the Koreans HAVE to come to the west. They're just butthurt that they can't win free money in the WCS events. They can still have to the non-WCS events if they want. And even if they wanted to, most of them probably didn't have the money to come anyway. If Blizzard never announced this WCS stuff, 95% of the Koreans would still be playing in Korean tournaments anyway. They're just butthurt that can't play in our tournaments on a whim. You have very poor reading comprehension. The thing they don't like is that GSL no longer exists. GSL still exists. No. It is WCS Korea now. Call it what you want. It's still GSL with global points that lead somewhere. On April 04 2013 12:09 rei wrote:On April 04 2013 12:05 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On April 04 2013 12:01 rei wrote:
the koreans don't have to move to usa or europe, they just need to show up a MLG / ESL events for the week end like they had been doing. At the end of the year, it will be the koreans who wins every single tournament in North America and Europe and Korea, nothing will change. Yeah but IEM and Dreamhack don't really pay out decent prize pool. Look at it this way in 2012 Koreans had the following tournaments paying out good money to Korean players: MLG, WCS, IPL, GSL, OSL, NASL. In 2013 they have. MLG, WCS. There's also NASL but I think their long term future in Sc2 is uncertain with these announcements. you forgot OSL still will go on, but what i'm pointing out is the certain instead of uncertain, we will still have koreans dominating all foreign events, nothing has change from that, and now there will be even more money involve for them if they win. I don't hear anything about 1.6mil being thrown around till blizzard came along. So last season Koreans had 5 GSL's, 1 OSL, WCS Korea and WCS Asia. That's 8 domestic tournaments with good prize pools and prestige. This season they have 3. Do you see now why Koreans have been a bit shafted by this? they are whining because blizzard is ganna pay over 1millions in prize money more than the previous 2 years combine? and all those prize money will surely go to the koreans' pockets? No man, they should be laughing their asses off, Ez money! There's no way in hell the prize money for Koreans will add up to as much as the 5 GSLs, Blizzard cup, WCS Korea, OSL, WCS Asia, and WCS World from last year. The 1.6mil is global prize pool. I guess if 1/3 of the koreans go to each of the regions they might win it all but I doubt that will happen.
and that global prize pool will go to the koreans, there is no way any foreigner is ganna beat a korean for even 10% of that prize pool.
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On April 04 2013 12:13 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 12:00 larse wrote:
MC got the whole thing wrong.
He can still go to all the old tournaments he likes. MLG, IEM, Dreamhack, NASL. He can still do all these just like the old days.
They won't receive any qualifier points from those. If they lock their region as Korea. They can only gain points from team leagues (which I'm strongly opposed to) and GSL Code S breakdown. In other words, for this upcoming WCS you have to be in Code S. That means a lot of legitimate Koreans don't have the same equal opportunity as the players in Europe/NA start with a clean slate. It's a long process if you try to qualify through Korea whereas EU and NA regions have it much easier with the format and structure. It's less work and definitely less skill outside of KR. If Koreans decide to travel they have more restrictions based on scheduling. If they decide to compete/move to other regions it's going to be much harder for them to retain their skill.
How can you say they won't win points for those? the MLG events Koreans will play in wont be the WCS events. And I'd imagine like DH, those MLGs will have WCS points.
Nothing can be said for sure until the point system is revealed.
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On April 04 2013 12:12 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 12:08 Zenbrez wrote:On April 04 2013 12:01 JJH777 wrote:On April 04 2013 12:00 gyad wrote:On April 04 2013 11:57 JJH777 wrote:On April 04 2013 11:42 gyad wrote:
It's not like the Koreans HAVE to come to the west. They're just butthurt that they can't win free money in the WCS events. They can still have to the non-WCS events if they want. And even if they wanted to, most of them probably didn't have the money to come anyway. If Blizzard never announced this WCS stuff, 95% of the Koreans would still be playing in Korean tournaments anyway. They're just butthurt that can't play in our tournaments on a whim. You have very poor reading comprehension. The thing they don't like is that GSL no longer exists. GSL still exists. No. It is WCS Korea now. Call it what you want. It's still GSL with global points that lead somewhere. Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 12:09 rei wrote:On April 04 2013 12:05 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On April 04 2013 12:01 rei wrote:
the koreans don't have to move to usa or europe, they just need to show up a MLG / ESL events for the week end like they had been doing. At the end of the year, it will be the koreans who wins every single tournament in North America and Europe and Korea, nothing will change. Yeah but IEM and Dreamhack don't really pay out decent prize pool. Look at it this way in 2012 Koreans had the following tournaments paying out good money to Korean players: MLG, WCS, IPL, GSL, OSL, NASL. In 2013 they have. MLG, WCS. There's also NASL but I think their long term future in Sc2 is uncertain with these announcements. you forgot OSL still will go on, but what i'm pointing out is the certain instead of uncertain, we will still have koreans dominating all foreign events, nothing has change from that, and now there will be even more money involve for them if they win. I don't hear anything about 1.6mil being thrown around till blizzard came along. So last season Koreans had 5 GSL's, 1 OSL, WCS Korea and WCS Asia. That's 8 domestic tournaments with good prize pools and prestige. This season they have 3. Do you see now why Koreans have been a bit shafted by this?
I can see why people would think it's unfair. But the Blizzard mindset is that the prize money is still there. You just have to work harder for it.
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On April 04 2013 12:19 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 12:15 rei wrote:On April 04 2013 12:12 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On April 04 2013 12:08 Zenbrez wrote:On April 04 2013 12:01 JJH777 wrote:On April 04 2013 12:00 gyad wrote:On April 04 2013 11:57 JJH777 wrote:On April 04 2013 11:42 gyad wrote:
It's not like the Koreans HAVE to come to the west. They're just butthurt that they can't win free money in the WCS events. They can still have to the non-WCS events if they want. And even if they wanted to, most of them probably didn't have the money to come anyway. If Blizzard never announced this WCS stuff, 95% of the Koreans would still be playing in Korean tournaments anyway. They're just butthurt that can't play in our tournaments on a whim. You have very poor reading comprehension. The thing they don't like is that GSL no longer exists. GSL still exists. No. It is WCS Korea now. Call it what you want. It's still GSL with global points that lead somewhere. On April 04 2013 12:09 rei wrote:On April 04 2013 12:05 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On April 04 2013 12:01 rei wrote:
the koreans don't have to move to usa or europe, they just need to show up a MLG / ESL events for the week end like they had been doing. At the end of the year, it will be the koreans who wins every single tournament in North America and Europe and Korea, nothing will change. Yeah but IEM and Dreamhack don't really pay out decent prize pool. Look at it this way in 2012 Koreans had the following tournaments paying out good money to Korean players: MLG, WCS, IPL, GSL, OSL, NASL. In 2013 they have. MLG, WCS. There's also NASL but I think their long term future in Sc2 is uncertain with these announcements. you forgot OSL still will go on, but what i'm pointing out is the certain instead of uncertain, we will still have koreans dominating all foreign events, nothing has change from that, and now there will be even more money involve for them if they win. I don't hear anything about 1.6mil being thrown around till blizzard came along. So last season Koreans had 5 GSL's, 1 OSL, WCS Korea and WCS Asia. That's 8 domestic tournaments with good prize pools and prestige. This season they have 3. Do you see now why Koreans have been a bit shafted by this? they are whining because blizzard is ganna pay over 1millions in prize money more than the previous 2 years combine? and all those prize money will surely go to the koreans' pockets? No man, they should be laughing their asses off, Ez money! Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 12:18 jmbthirteen wrote:On April 04 2013 12:05 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On April 04 2013 12:01 rei wrote:
the koreans don't have to move to usa or europe, they just need to show up a MLG / ESL events for the week end like they had been doing. At the end of the year, it will be the koreans who wins every single tournament in North America and Europe and Korea, nothing will change. Yeah but IEM and Dreamhack don't really pay out decent prize pool. Look at it this way in 2012 Koreans had the following tournaments paying out good money to Korean players: MLG, WCS, IPL, GSL, OSL, NASL. In 2013 they have. MLG, WCS. There's also NASL but I think their long term future in Sc2 is uncertain with these announcements. WCS is paying out much more money this year. that can't be ignored. The combined prize pool of all 5 GSL's, Blizzard Cup and OSL last year was about $1m, plus they had the WCS money on top of that. It's really not a prize bump for Koreans at all, it's a prize bump for foreigners but not Koreans.
no, you shouldn't say prize bump for foreigners, you can say prize bump for foreigner events so the koreans will have a ez pay day.
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I don't mind having Koreans win each region as long as they have to live there and most likely practice on that server, then you will (hopefully) get an overall increase of skill + it limits how many Koreans will actually be able to do that,
Thank you for the translations, nice to read them not thro google translate ^_^
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On April 04 2013 11:49 dinosrwar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 11:42 gyad wrote:
It's not like the Koreans HAVE to come to the west. They're just butthurt that they can't win free money in the WCS events. They can still have to the non-WCS events if they want. And even if they wanted to, most of them probably didn't have the money to come anyway. If Blizzard never announced this WCS stuff, 95% of the Koreans would still be playing in Korean tournaments anyway. They're just butthurt that can't play in our tournaments on a whim. It punishes the Korean scene for being good while rewarding Americans who are pretty terrible in comparison with 5 slots out of a 16 slot tournament. A bit silly.
On April 04 2013 11:51 sitromit wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 11:42 gyad wrote:
It's not like the Koreans HAVE to come to the west. They're just butthurt that they can't win free money in the WCS events. They can still have to the non-WCS events if they want. And even if they wanted to, most of them probably didn't have the money to come anyway. If Blizzard never announced this WCS stuff, 95% of the Koreans would still be playing in Korean tournaments anyway. They're just butthurt that can't play in our tournaments on a whim. They have fewer tournaments than they did last year because of this change. Last year they had 5 seasons of GSL, 1 OSL, and 1 WCS. Now they have 3 seasons of GSL and 1 OSL.
Agreed. The main problem is most non-KeSPA Koreans do not even make salary.
So that means their sole source of income is tournaments.
Back in BW, when there was MSL, OSL, and (for a while, the GOMTV Classic) and there wasn't as many pro gamers back then either.
Now in SC2, there's just 3 seasons of GSL and 1 season of OSL?
There is larger amount of Koreans who invested time into being a progamer compared to NA and EU (the teams in South Korea are huge and there are not just the players you see, but the B-teamers too which practice a ton too).
I can definitely see why Koreans are upset and it's understandable (again, you have to remember a lot make money based on tournaments alone and not salary - and also again, there are less tournaments in Korea this year than the previous year).
On April 04 2013 12:21 gyad wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 12:12 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On April 04 2013 12:08 Zenbrez wrote:On April 04 2013 12:01 JJH777 wrote:On April 04 2013 12:00 gyad wrote:On April 04 2013 11:57 JJH777 wrote:On April 04 2013 11:42 gyad wrote:
It's not like the Koreans HAVE to come to the west. They're just butthurt that they can't win free money in the WCS events. They can still have to the non-WCS events if they want. And even if they wanted to, most of them probably didn't have the money to come anyway. If Blizzard never announced this WCS stuff, 95% of the Koreans would still be playing in Korean tournaments anyway. They're just butthurt that can't play in our tournaments on a whim. You have very poor reading comprehension. The thing they don't like is that GSL no longer exists. GSL still exists. No. It is WCS Korea now. Call it what you want. It's still GSL with global points that lead somewhere. On April 04 2013 12:09 rei wrote:On April 04 2013 12:05 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On April 04 2013 12:01 rei wrote:
the koreans don't have to move to usa or europe, they just need to show up a MLG / ESL events for the week end like they had been doing. At the end of the year, it will be the koreans who wins every single tournament in North America and Europe and Korea, nothing will change. Yeah but IEM and Dreamhack don't really pay out decent prize pool. Look at it this way in 2012 Koreans had the following tournaments paying out good money to Korean players: MLG, WCS, IPL, GSL, OSL, NASL. In 2013 they have. MLG, WCS. There's also NASL but I think their long term future in Sc2 is uncertain with these announcements. you forgot OSL still will go on, but what i'm pointing out is the certain instead of uncertain, we will still have koreans dominating all foreign events, nothing has change from that, and now there will be even more money involve for them if they win. I don't hear anything about 1.6mil being thrown around till blizzard came along. So last season Koreans had 5 GSL's, 1 OSL, WCS Korea and WCS Asia. That's 8 domestic tournaments with good prize pools and prestige. This season they have 3. Do you see now why Koreans have been a bit shafted by this? I can see why people would think it's unfair. But the Blizzard mindset is that the prize money is still there. You just have to work harder for it.
This is an issue of supply (of jobs) and demand.
The supply isn't there. It doesn't matter how hard a Korean works, because there will always be a percentage of players that probably won't be able to earn money.
For example, if only the top 1 player could win money (out of 100 total players), then it doesn't matter how hard all the 100 players work to get that top place because 99 of them will always get no pay (due to the fact that there is only enough reward is only for 1 player).
Of course, this is an issue with StarCraft 2 and South Korea mainly (SC2 isn't as big in South Korea anymore).
Before, Koreans had more freedom to do foreign tournaments which increased the potential for them to get prize money. Now, most of it is just Korean tournaments only.
Edit - I'm not saying the region lock thing is bad or anything. I definitely think it has potential to better the SC2 scene as a whole.
However, what I am saying in this post is that it is completely understandable for Koreans to complain about this. Remember that a lot of them invested time into become a progamer already. Then when you find out you have much less tournaments in your home country and you also have less of an option to compete in foreign events, it kind of sucks considering how much the player may have invested into becoming an SC2 progamer.
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On April 04 2013 12:21 rei wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 12:19 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On April 04 2013 12:15 rei wrote:On April 04 2013 12:12 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On April 04 2013 12:08 Zenbrez wrote:On April 04 2013 12:01 JJH777 wrote:On April 04 2013 12:00 gyad wrote:On April 04 2013 11:57 JJH777 wrote:On April 04 2013 11:42 gyad wrote:
It's not like the Koreans HAVE to come to the west. They're just butthurt that they can't win free money in the WCS events. They can still have to the non-WCS events if they want. And even if they wanted to, most of them probably didn't have the money to come anyway. If Blizzard never announced this WCS stuff, 95% of the Koreans would still be playing in Korean tournaments anyway. They're just butthurt that can't play in our tournaments on a whim. You have very poor reading comprehension. The thing they don't like is that GSL no longer exists. GSL still exists. No. It is WCS Korea now. Call it what you want. It's still GSL with global points that lead somewhere. On April 04 2013 12:09 rei wrote:On April 04 2013 12:05 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On April 04 2013 12:01 rei wrote:
the koreans don't have to move to usa or europe, they just need to show up a MLG / ESL events for the week end like they had been doing. At the end of the year, it will be the koreans who wins every single tournament in North America and Europe and Korea, nothing will change. Yeah but IEM and Dreamhack don't really pay out decent prize pool. Look at it this way in 2012 Koreans had the following tournaments paying out good money to Korean players: MLG, WCS, IPL, GSL, OSL, NASL. In 2013 they have. MLG, WCS. There's also NASL but I think their long term future in Sc2 is uncertain with these announcements. you forgot OSL still will go on, but what i'm pointing out is the certain instead of uncertain, we will still have koreans dominating all foreign events, nothing has change from that, and now there will be even more money involve for them if they win. I don't hear anything about 1.6mil being thrown around till blizzard came along. So last season Koreans had 5 GSL's, 1 OSL, WCS Korea and WCS Asia. That's 8 domestic tournaments with good prize pools and prestige. This season they have 3. Do you see now why Koreans have been a bit shafted by this? they are whining because blizzard is ganna pay over 1millions in prize money more than the previous 2 years combine? and all those prize money will surely go to the koreans' pockets? No man, they should be laughing their asses off, Ez money! On April 04 2013 12:18 jmbthirteen wrote:On April 04 2013 12:05 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On April 04 2013 12:01 rei wrote:
the koreans don't have to move to usa or europe, they just need to show up a MLG / ESL events for the week end like they had been doing. At the end of the year, it will be the koreans who wins every single tournament in North America and Europe and Korea, nothing will change. Yeah but IEM and Dreamhack don't really pay out decent prize pool. Look at it this way in 2012 Koreans had the following tournaments paying out good money to Korean players: MLG, WCS, IPL, GSL, OSL, NASL. In 2013 they have. MLG, WCS. There's also NASL but I think their long term future in Sc2 is uncertain with these announcements. WCS is paying out much more money this year. that can't be ignored. The combined prize pool of all 5 GSL's, Blizzard Cup and OSL last year was about $1m, plus they had the WCS money on top of that. It's really not a prize bump for Koreans at all, it's a prize bump for foreigners but not Koreans. no, you shouldn't say prize bump for foreigners, you can say prize bump for foreigner events so the koreans will have a ez pay day.
The NA/EU tournaments will still be paying out good prize money, considerably more than they had in 2012.
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I agree with MC, the new format is total shit.
Blizzard is having more and more stupid ideas, sigh
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On April 04 2013 12:23 Laryleprakon wrote:
I don't mind having Koreans win each region as long as they have to live there and most likely practice on that server, then you will (hopefully) get an overall increase of skill + it limits how many Koreans will actually be able to do that,
Thank you for the translations, nice to read them not thro google translate ^_^
What you said there is an illusion of choice, it's not a choice for them at all if you put limitation like that, it's like saying to a 4 year old kid that you can walk into the bar and drink beer but you will need to be this tall first. What's likely going to happen is that all the ppl in code S will stick around, and ppl from code A will win all the foreigner events, and all the code B koreans will be playing the code A matches
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On April 04 2013 11:47 Dodgin wrote:
It would be funny if a Korean team relocated to NA or EU and dominated that WCS instead, assuming they all have equal prize pools it might be a worthy venture.
I've seen alot of people assuming equal prize pools, but Blizzard hasn't actually said anything about it, so it's possible that the Korean WCS prize pool might be larger (I could definitely see OGN or GOM insisting on that to maintain the highest level of competition).
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On April 04 2013 11:56 Zurichan wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 11:54 Jerubaal wrote:
So basically he's complaining that since the best players are Korean, he's upset that the world's SC2 tournaments aren't structured so that Koreans can come in at their convenience and win.
That is not what he is saying. Wow, people cannot read these days.
For all the 'OMG can't you read WHARRGGLBBBLL' nobody said anything that contradicted me. If you take the words 'Korea(n)' and 'GSL/WCS' and replace them with any other tournament/nationality nobody would give a damn. I'm sorry you can't compete in every tournament in optimal fashion, MC, deal with it, brohan.
And you think that suggesting a rule change that would benefit him proves the validity of his point? I guess we should send out a memo to all the tournaments that have separate qualifiers without region locks that they're doing it wrong.
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