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On April 04 2013 12:38 ETisME wrote:
Well then wcs is just gonna be so boring to watch.
The skill difference between the players will be too big to enjoy until the foreigners are all out
GSL and OSL will still be by far the most prestigious tournaments. the foreigner riddled tourneys will be trash because they will have tons of B teamers that felt like getting free rides in NA / EU
World Championship may be good
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And people say Blizzard didn't screw up... Riot > Blizzard.
They took into account for this happening, but I guess they didn't they into account how all those Code A and Code B people got shafted... I feel for All the players BossToss mentioned.
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MC is right. It seems like in EU and NA, MLG and ESL will still run their regular tournaments, whereas in Korea GSL transforms into WCS. Why not have GSL and a WCS?
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Well described by MC. However the soccer analogy isn't perfect. The soccer does have a common thing with WCS in Champions League. Its true that the best footballing nations have extra slots in champions league, however its still disproportionate to the skill level in say Premier league, la liga, league A (italian) and so on. I haven't really checked out the WCS format exhaustively, but I'd be amazed if there was no other direct qualifiers or ways to gain sufficient outside GSL.
Another thing, is that even though koreans feel they got the worse end of the deal, its still a freebie in my eyes. When some one adds extra cash/tournaments as charity or gesture of good will you can't really complain when all the cash doesn't sprinkle down on you.
If a lot of koreans DO decide to move its a very good thing for the game in my opinion. That means they will go to team houses abroad with a great mindset and skill. This will certainly improve the level of foreigners determination and mechanics. Overall it's an improvement of the global skill level.
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On April 04 2013 13:02 AgentW wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 13:00 rei wrote:On April 04 2013 12:57 AgentW wrote:On April 04 2013 12:55 onPHYRE wrote:
SO is the big decsion because you get locked into a region as soon as you play in one of the "leagues?" Does this mean no GSL players can play in IEM or MLG?? and vice versa? No, you declare which region your WCS ranking and competition will be in, KR, NA or EU. You then play in WCS sanctioned events online and at the major tournament in your region, accruing points. There's a system for who has the most points at certain intervals, which eventually leads to a few WCS affiliated LANs at the big regional tournaments like MLG and IEM and then the final at Blizzcon. There will be non-WCS affiliated portions at MLG, IEM etc. which anyone will be able to participate in, regardless of region. This would mean even more Koreans will show up in foreigner tournaments to raise the skill level of foreign events, blizzard had thought this through, good move. What? I don't see what you're saying. Koreans are still going to be limited by what their teams can afford to pay to send them, and that's always going to be the bottom line.
You have go a point here, so far most of the koreans who got invited were paid for by the event organizers, and those who didn't get the invite have to have their team pay for the trip. I suppose we won't see a huge increase of korean after all, what a shame.
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well hopefully since Blizzard implemented this horrible plan the foreign teams will replace all foreigners with koreans and start running like Korean teams. This isn't going to make foreigners better, they will never play as well as Koreans with their training methods. All this is doing is making us see less true high level play since the koreans cant move around. A better use of that prize money would have been to fund foreign training houses that are ran like Korean ones. Now they are having more foreigners play when everyone knows that better players are out there. I just don't understand people who don't want to watch only the absolute best play, it's like picking the CFL over the NFL
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I wouldn't mind a few more Koreans. I doubt that all top 16 of NA and EU will be all Korean this year...maybe a few years down the road maybe
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Does anyone seriously think any Code A player really wants to give up the chance to be a GSL or OSL champion to instead attempt to be the North American WCS Champ?
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Im thinking it doesnt change much, except more skilled players in tournaments (=koreans) and i think thats fair. Every korean or foreign team will split there flock of players over the three competitions(continents) so they have the most chance for exposure for sponsors. And dont worry, the sponsors will gladly pay for the trip to landay, so there players and there brand will shine on the superbowl of SC2.
A big fus over nothing. We are finally gonna see the best players in the world compete, regardless of nationality (which will mean 13 koreans and 2 foreigners). I think its completly fair for the players (as the best will compete with the best) and e-sports will thrive because of this.
Blizzard is right!
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On April 04 2013 12:58 Kim Hyuna wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 12:50 rei wrote:On April 04 2013 12:42 Kim Hyuna wrote:On April 04 2013 12:36 rei wrote:On April 04 2013 12:32 Kim Hyuna wrote:
What MC said is true. WCS KR using GSL top 32 Code S as qualifier for WCS main event is an no go.
Meaning those potential that have chance to win the whole WCS (e.g. Code A YongHwa. Ryung, HerO. Nestea, aLive, ByuN etc) will NOT be able to even qualify for it.
Moving away from KR scene by joining EU/NA team would gave them an easier chance to qualify for WCS main event since korean's has been dominating EU/NA events. This is the worst case making Korean's programers to leave their home ground for a EU/NA teams. (e.g. Polt would swipe them whole NA qualifier). I would not say an easier chance to qualify, they don't have to leave their home ground for a EU/NA team, they just need to fly to NA/EU for that particular weekend that MLG is happening or whatever other tournament is happening, just like what they had been doing all along for the past 2 years. Only thing is that if any korean do this they will not be completing in gsl, and that's all, they will still win all the money and all the points. Like what MC said, GSL alone is a prestige tournament which all Korean's progamers want a shot at it. Leaving KR to join MLG but not being able to participate in GSL is a [b ]no for most of them. Yonghwa knew he could take down MLG in ease that's why he left GSL U&D for it. and this mentality of wanting a shot at the most prestige is what drives the koreans to be the best, but not every korean have the guts to clime the highest mountain if they choose to take the ez way out and win some money the option is there, blizzard made this system to reward skills(and koreans have all the skills), but at the end of the day, if you want to win it all at the end of the final tournament, you would have to go through all those ppl that qualify through the GSL anyways. Here is the bottom line, the koreans will win every tournament, and all the money in all 3 continents. You still fail to see my point. The new format of putting Top 32 Code S for WCS is a joke and not because the Korean's doesn't have the guts to climb the highest mountain. Even with the guts and skills, they were unable to compete in WCS because they are in GSL Code A/B putting them in the lowest point as a programer and do note that Korean's have very big ego in their pride. By refusing an entry to WCS because they are labelled as Code A/B would basically kill off their career as an programer in KR. Like i said again, Blizzard need to think and give chances to those A/B players too. Not all Code A/B players are as BAD as compared to those Top 32 Code S players. And, this is HOTS not WoL and fair play system needs to kick in allowing the A/B players to participate. [/b]
i see what you mean, gsl have the code s and code a system where 8 ppl from code S gets seeded, and ppl from code B don't have excess to code S right away even if they qualify for code A, they need to remove all the seeds and have a huge open tournament to establish all the seeding again to make it fair.
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On April 04 2013 13:06 LimitSEA wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 12:58 lichter wrote:
Like I've said, I only care about Korean leagues so I am still on the fence (leaning towards upset) about WCS. I couldn't care less about NA/EU. Agreed. Either we'll see top tier Koreans leave GSL to compete internationally, or we'll see top tier Koreans get shafted for WCS. The Korean WCS is going to be brutal, so that will be great to watch. But the competition afterwards, involving all three areas won't be nearly as good I feel.
I'd rather watch B teamers than NA/EU players -_-''
What I am more concerned about is players actually getting paid and having an opportunity in WCS. The only way to make it work for me is to EXPAND GSL. With how many great players there are, Code S Ro64 would still be as stacked and difficult as the Ro32 we have now. With the sponsorship money they already had and the Blizzbucks they could do it. Expand Code A as well. I think this would help solve the problem MC mentions.
With a larger Code S/A pool of players, those left in Code B will truly be B teamers, with greater incentive to play in NA/EU. A larger Code S/A, and then mass B team migration dominating NA/EU... that would be my ideal situation.
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On April 04 2013 13:11 HappyTimePANDA wrote:
I just don't understand people who don't want to watch only the absolute best play, it's like picking the CFL over the NFL
You're ignoring the fact that the NFL used to not include the AFL, and the first two Super Bowls (then called the AFL/NFL Championship) were considered a joke, just like the WCS is being considered one now, and for the same reasons. How'd that turn out?
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On April 04 2013 13:14 lichter wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 13:06 LimitSEA wrote:On April 04 2013 12:58 lichter wrote:
Like I've said, I only care about Korean leagues so I am still on the fence (leaning towards upset) about WCS. I couldn't care less about NA/EU. Agreed. Either we'll see top tier Koreans leave GSL to compete internationally, or we'll see top tier Koreans get shafted for WCS. The Korean WCS is going to be brutal, so that will be great to watch. But the competition afterwards, involving all three areas won't be nearly as good I feel. I'd rather watch B teamers than NA/EU players -_-'' What I am more concerned about is players actually getting paid and having an opportunity in WCS. The only way to make it work for me is to EXPAND GSL. With how many great players there are, Code S Ro64 would still be as stacked and difficult as the Ro32 we have now. With the sponsorship money they already had and the Blizzbucks they could do it. Expand Code A as well. I think this would help solve the problem MC mentions. With a larger Code S/A pool of players, those left in Code B will truly be B teamers, with greater incentive to play in NA/EU. A larger Code S/A, and then mass B team migration dominating NA/EU... that would be my ideal situation.
So just a bunch of faceless Korean B teamers actually winning in NA/EU, alienating two huge markets would be good?
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I believe Blizzard is looking at the wrong direction when coming with a worldwide league. If they wanted a tournament to find out who's the best of the best in the world, individually, that should be the already-established GSL/OSL. It seems unfair that there's a world championship tournament when the only country with a fully stabalized eSports foundation is Korea, giving them the advantage, as we know already.
I think a better idea would be a worldwide Proleague. A teamleague would, not completely, prevent the best of the best players to win for their team (and they likely would, as it should), but the whole point of it is to give more exposure to foreign teams and foreign players. I'm sure sponsors would love to hear another "Thorzain all-kills IM" than "Top foreigner gets last place in a league filled with Koreans".
But, maybe I'm just not getting the whole point of this. o.O
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Interesting that they would allow people of any nationality to take part in any of the regions, considering that one of the initial reasons for WCS was to "allow local heroes to rise to the top". I guess they've moved on from that 
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On April 04 2013 13:17 Serpico wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 13:14 lichter wrote:On April 04 2013 13:06 LimitSEA wrote:On April 04 2013 12:58 lichter wrote:
Like I've said, I only care about Korean leagues so I am still on the fence (leaning towards upset) about WCS. I couldn't care less about NA/EU. Agreed. Either we'll see top tier Koreans leave GSL to compete internationally, or we'll see top tier Koreans get shafted for WCS. The Korean WCS is going to be brutal, so that will be great to watch. But the competition afterwards, involving all three areas won't be nearly as good I feel. I'd rather watch B teamers than NA/EU players -_-'' What I am more concerned about is players actually getting paid and having an opportunity in WCS. The only way to make it work for me is to EXPAND GSL. With how many great players there are, Code S Ro64 would still be as stacked and difficult as the Ro32 we have now. With the sponsorship money they already had and the Blizzbucks they could do it. Expand Code A as well. I think this would help solve the problem MC mentions. With a larger Code S/A pool of players, those left in Code B will truly be B teamers, with greater incentive to play in NA/EU. A larger Code S/A, and then mass B team migration dominating NA/EU... that would be my ideal situation. So just a bunch of faceless Korean B teamers actually winning in NA/EU, alienating two huge markets would be good?
I did say it was my ideal situation, not the best situation.
If foreigners are worse than B teamers and can't find a way to improve and win, yes that's what I want. If foreigners improve enough to beat B teamers, then great, I'd rather watch those guys.
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On April 04 2013 13:19 Weirdkid wrote:Interesting that they would allow people of any nationality to take part in any of the regions, considering that one of the initial reasons for WCS was to "allow local heroes to rise to the top". I guess they've moved on from that
If u want to participate in the olympics, u need to pass a threshold regardless of nationality. I think its fair.
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On April 04 2013 13:21 lichter wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 13:17 Serpico wrote:On April 04 2013 13:14 lichter wrote:On April 04 2013 13:06 LimitSEA wrote:On April 04 2013 12:58 lichter wrote:
Like I've said, I only care about Korean leagues so I am still on the fence (leaning towards upset) about WCS. I couldn't care less about NA/EU. Agreed. Either we'll see top tier Koreans leave GSL to compete internationally, or we'll see top tier Koreans get shafted for WCS. The Korean WCS is going to be brutal, so that will be great to watch. But the competition afterwards, involving all three areas won't be nearly as good I feel. I'd rather watch B teamers than NA/EU players -_-'' What I am more concerned about is players actually getting paid and having an opportunity in WCS. The only way to make it work for me is to EXPAND GSL. With how many great players there are, Code S Ro64 would still be as stacked and difficult as the Ro32 we have now. With the sponsorship money they already had and the Blizzbucks they could do it. Expand Code A as well. I think this would help solve the problem MC mentions. With a larger Code S/A pool of players, those left in Code B will truly be B teamers, with greater incentive to play in NA/EU. A larger Code S/A, and then mass B team migration dominating NA/EU... that would be my ideal situation. So just a bunch of faceless Korean B teamers actually winning in NA/EU, alienating two huge markets would be good? I did say it was my ideal situation, not the best situation. Damn, that's a pretty sterile outlook. Kinda takes the heart out of it. If foreigners are worse than B teamers and can't find a way to improve and win, yes that's what I want. If foreigners improve enough to beat B teamers, then great, I'd rather watch those guys.
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On April 04 2013 13:21 lichter wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 13:17 Serpico wrote:On April 04 2013 13:14 lichter wrote:On April 04 2013 13:06 LimitSEA wrote:On April 04 2013 12:58 lichter wrote:
Like I've said, I only care about Korean leagues so I am still on the fence (leaning towards upset) about WCS. I couldn't care less about NA/EU. Agreed. Either we'll see top tier Koreans leave GSL to compete internationally, or we'll see top tier Koreans get shafted for WCS. The Korean WCS is going to be brutal, so that will be great to watch. But the competition afterwards, involving all three areas won't be nearly as good I feel. I'd rather watch B teamers than NA/EU players -_-'' What I am more concerned about is players actually getting paid and having an opportunity in WCS. The only way to make it work for me is to EXPAND GSL. With how many great players there are, Code S Ro64 would still be as stacked and difficult as the Ro32 we have now. With the sponsorship money they already had and the Blizzbucks they could do it. Expand Code A as well. I think this would help solve the problem MC mentions. With a larger Code S/A pool of players, those left in Code B will truly be B teamers, with greater incentive to play in NA/EU. A larger Code S/A, and then mass B team migration dominating NA/EU... that would be my ideal situation. So just a bunch of faceless Korean B teamers actually winning in NA/EU, alienating two huge markets would be good? I did say it was my ideal situation, not the best situation. If foreigners are worse than B teamers and can't find a way to improve and win, yes that's what I want. If foreigners improve enough to beat B teamers, then great, I'd rather watch those guys.
Damn, that's a pretty sterile outlook. Kinda takes the heart out of it.
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On April 04 2013 13:22 Serpico wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 13:21 lichter wrote:On April 04 2013 13:17 Serpico wrote:On April 04 2013 13:14 lichter wrote:On April 04 2013 13:06 LimitSEA wrote:On April 04 2013 12:58 lichter wrote:
Like I've said, I only care about Korean leagues so I am still on the fence (leaning towards upset) about WCS. I couldn't care less about NA/EU. Agreed. Either we'll see top tier Koreans leave GSL to compete internationally, or we'll see top tier Koreans get shafted for WCS. The Korean WCS is going to be brutal, so that will be great to watch. But the competition afterwards, involving all three areas won't be nearly as good I feel. I'd rather watch B teamers than NA/EU players -_-'' What I am more concerned about is players actually getting paid and having an opportunity in WCS. The only way to make it work for me is to EXPAND GSL. With how many great players there are, Code S Ro64 would still be as stacked and difficult as the Ro32 we have now. With the sponsorship money they already had and the Blizzbucks they could do it. Expand Code A as well. I think this would help solve the problem MC mentions. With a larger Code S/A pool of players, those left in Code B will truly be B teamers, with greater incentive to play in NA/EU. A larger Code S/A, and then mass B team migration dominating NA/EU... that would be my ideal situation. So just a bunch of faceless Korean B teamers actually winning in NA/EU, alienating two huge markets would be good? I did say it was my ideal situation, not the best situation. If foreigners are worse than B teamers and can't find a way to improve and win, yes that's what I want. If foreigners improve enough to beat B teamers, then great, I'd rather watch those guys. Damn, that's a pretty sterile outlook. Kinda takes the heart out of it.
I'm an Asian robot, go figure :p
Edit: On a positive note maybe YUGIOHHHHHHHHHHhhhhhhhhhhhhhh will move to Catz' house and win WCS NA.
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