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On April 04 2013 13:12 vesicular wrote:
Does anyone seriously think any Code A player really wants to give up the chance to be a GSL or OSL champion to instead attempt to be the North American WCS Champ?
they arent going to NA to be the wcs champ, its for the money. Most of those code a guys get no salary. So why stay in code a(where winnings are minimal), fighting for a potential code s spot(whose winnings are heavy on top), when they know they can get easier access to winnings outside of korea.
edit: i read somewhere kespa or gom or one of those organizations wanted to do weekendish events like mlg, but in korea. Like some random 2-3 day lan tourneys or even more online tourneys based in korea. If those are implemented, i can see those code a/b guys staying in korea.
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On April 04 2013 13:17 Serpico wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 13:14 lichter wrote:On April 04 2013 13:06 LimitSEA wrote:On April 04 2013 12:58 lichter wrote:
Like I've said, I only care about Korean leagues so I am still on the fence (leaning towards upset) about WCS. I couldn't care less about NA/EU. Agreed. Either we'll see top tier Koreans leave GSL to compete internationally, or we'll see top tier Koreans get shafted for WCS. The Korean WCS is going to be brutal, so that will be great to watch. But the competition afterwards, involving all three areas won't be nearly as good I feel. I'd rather watch B teamers than NA/EU players -_-'' What I am more concerned about is players actually getting paid and having an opportunity in WCS. The only way to make it work for me is to EXPAND GSL. With how many great players there are, Code S Ro64 would still be as stacked and difficult as the Ro32 we have now. With the sponsorship money they already had and the Blizzbucks they could do it. Expand Code A as well. I think this would help solve the problem MC mentions. With a larger Code S/A pool of players, those left in Code B will truly be B teamers, with greater incentive to play in NA/EU. A larger Code S/A, and then mass B team migration dominating NA/EU... that would be my ideal situation. So just a bunch of faceless Korean B teamers actually winning in NA/EU, alienating two huge markets would be good?
"Faceless" is just your opinion. Watching Demuslim play 2v2s and 4v4s and losing to random players on NA ladder seems less appealing to me than Apocalypse grinding game after game in KR master's league.
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I'm not even kidding - MC lost me with the soccer analogy. I have no idea what any of what that is means.
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Naniwa with the best response by a long shot! Edit and Sas
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MC is so good he fit all that into 140 characters.
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On April 04 2013 13:25 Bayyne wrote:
MC is so good he fit all that into 140 characters.
Must been googledocs instead of twttytwit. #typo 
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On April 04 2013 13:21 govie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 13:19 Weirdkid wrote:Interesting that they would allow people of any nationality to take part in any of the regions, considering that one of the initial reasons for WCS was to "allow local heroes to rise to the top". I guess they've moved on from that  If u want to participate in the olympics, u need to pass a threshold regardless of nationality. I think its fair.
I don't see how your response actually responds to what I was trying to talk about, so I'll clarify
I meant that one of the main purposes of WCS was to bring out and showcase the talents from different countries. Now that they've made it such that anyone can play in any region, it doesn't quite fulfil that purpose anymore.
But I guess this new format might just be them moving on from their initial vision of what WCS should be. People/companies change afterall.
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So, whatever happened to that thing Slasher was saying about the GM leagues getting invited into the feeder competitions? Or is that more of a NA/EU thing...
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On April 04 2013 13:23 recklessfire wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 13:12 vesicular wrote:
Does anyone seriously think any Code A player really wants to give up the chance to be a GSL or OSL champion to instead attempt to be the North American WCS Champ? they arent going to NA to be the wcs champ, its for the money. Most of those code a guys get no salary. So why stay in code a(where winnings are minimal), fighting for a potential code s spot(whose winnings are heavy on top), when they know they can get easier access to winnings outside of korea.
Ahh so they're not serious about being the best player in the world, got it.
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I'm sorry, but all i really see is MC worrying about the potential of him being turned into a B-teamer again, and fretting that there will be a clear top tier beginning to separate itself from the rest of korea.
Players will have to make a choice. I suspect more people will go to na/eu than a lot of people think.
The prestige of GSL is going to fade though, at least for code a. I'm not sure how I feel about that.
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Any Korean badass who wants to play in the US can come live at my place. Get the word out.
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On April 04 2013 13:32 felisconcolori wrote:
So, whatever happened to that thing Slasher was saying about the GM leagues getting invited into the feeder competitions? Or is that more of a NA/EU thing...
Just NA and EU most likely, given that the korean scene is already well structured.
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On April 04 2013 13:12 vesicular wrote:
Does anyone seriously think any Code A player really wants to give up the chance to be a GSL or OSL champion to instead attempt to be the North American WCS Champ?
unless the point system and prize money is heavily skewed towards wcs korea. it makes more sense for a code a to try and win wcs na/eu than wcs korea. gsl and osl prestige means nothing in this new format given. they are really just a point feeder into wcs global which is now the real competition (not gsl, osl, mlg or iem). the lost of prestige by qualifying through an "easier" route is overshadowed by the fact that competition in wcs global will probably be dominated by koreans anyway. i really dont see why a code a player would hurt their chances for wcs global by playing in a harder league just to win gsl and osl when they can just cruise in wcs global through na and eu.
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On April 04 2013 13:38 Angel_ wrote:
I'm sorry, but all i really see is MC worrying about the potential of him being turned into a B-teamer again, and fretting that there will be a clear top tier beginning to separate itself from the rest of korea.
Players will have to make a choice. I suspect more people will go to na/eu than a lot of people think.
The prestige of GSL is going to fade though, at least for code a. I'm not sure how I feel about that.
Hmm lets see, MC the most successful protoss in the GSL and all-time highest money winner who has an exclusive contract with SK is worried about being a B-teamer?
ahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha funniest thing I heard all year. hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
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On April 04 2013 13:14 lichter wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 13:06 LimitSEA wrote:On April 04 2013 12:58 lichter wrote:
Like I've said, I only care about Korean leagues so I am still on the fence (leaning towards upset) about WCS. I couldn't care less about NA/EU. Agreed. Either we'll see top tier Koreans leave GSL to compete internationally, or we'll see top tier Koreans get shafted for WCS. The Korean WCS is going to be brutal, so that will be great to watch. But the competition afterwards, involving all three areas won't be nearly as good I feel. I'd rather watch B teamers than NA/EU players -_-'' What I am more concerned about is players actually getting paid and having an opportunity in WCS. The only way to make it work for me is to EXPAND GSL. With how many great players there are, Code S Ro64 would still be as stacked and difficult as the Ro32 we have now. With the sponsorship money they already had and the Blizzbucks they could do it. Expand Code A as well. I think this would help solve the problem MC mentions. With a larger Code S/A pool of players, those left in Code B will truly be B teamers, with greater incentive to play in NA/EU. A larger Code S/A, and then mass B team migration dominating NA/EU... that would be my ideal situation.
I think it is highly unlikely that the kespa B team players will be moving out of korea for WCS because the entire infrastructure of the teamhouses is that the B teams help the A teams train for the big money. By moving out of the country they aren't really able to help where it counts.
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For what MC is ranting, im actually so happy. I just hope all the qualifiers get filled by Koreans.
The less white dudes, the better IMO.
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Seems like things are getting better for the non- top tier Koreans. They simply have more options to gain access to the biggest tournament: play in US / EU, instead of being stuck Code A or even outside of Code A. The pressure is on the EU / NA players now, and is that a good thing? Too hard to judge.
The question though should be .... if WCS qualification process is independent from the running leagues / tournaments a better model , which deserves its own thread.
I see no reasons for any Koreans to live permanently outside of Korea.
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On April 04 2013 14:04 Roarer wrote:
Seems like things are getting better for the non- top tier Koreans. They simply have more options to gain access to the biggest tournament: play in US / EU, instead of being stuck Code A or even outside of Code A. The pressure is on the EU / NA players now, and is that a good thing? Too hard to judge.
The question though should be .... if WCS qualification process is independent from the running leagues / tournaments a better model , which deserves its own thread.
I see no reasons for any Koreans to live permanently outside of Korea.
As long as they are willing to put up with any latency issues, and can afford to fly themselves to the "final events" for the WCS process, there's no reason for them to have to move. They don't have to live in the region, but if they don't they won't get paid travel to get to the top whatever final live event for that region.
Also, let me just say, Polt's game sense just proved to be better than Flash in the tournament meta. Although I don't know how much practice he'll be getting while he studies.
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On April 04 2013 14:04 Roarer wrote:
Seems like things are getting better for the non- top tier Koreans. They simply have more options to gain access to the biggest tournament: play in US / EU, instead of being stuck Code A or even outside of Code A. The pressure is on the EU / NA players now, and is that a good thing? Too hard to judge.
The question though should be .... if WCS qualification process is independent from the running leagues / tournaments a better model , which deserves its own thread.
I see no reasons for any Koreans to live permanently outside of Korea.
And that's the thing, like MC said. The regions aren't even region locked - you can play all of the WCS games online apparently. Or, at least, most of them. If you can play weekend WCS NA MLG events for points, then go to the three major LANs, then you're set.
I love the quote from the first page of Incontrol wanting to "punch" anyone who didn't agree that it's a good thing. Well, MC just threw down the gauntlet and made pretty much unimpeachable points. What did he say that was legitimately untrue or manufactured? Mike Morhaime even admitted to it in the Q&A - Koreans will probably declare in droves for the NA/EU regions and sweep the qualifiers, making the WCS championships laughably 16/16 Korean.
What a hell of a world championship.
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I don't care about any of them, only MVP (
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