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On April 04 2013 14:11 Mauldo wrote:
I love the quote from the first page of Incontrol wanting to "punch" anyone who didn't agree that it's a good thing. Well, MC just threw down the gauntlet and made pretty much unimpeachable points.
The problem is incontrol is right, this is a good thing. The fact that everyone wants to be cynical about it doesn't change that fact.
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On April 04 2013 13:23 waylander_ wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 13:17 Serpico wrote:On April 04 2013 13:14 lichter wrote:On April 04 2013 13:06 LimitSEA wrote:On April 04 2013 12:58 lichter wrote:
Like I've said, I only care about Korean leagues so I am still on the fence (leaning towards upset) about WCS. I couldn't care less about NA/EU. Agreed. Either we'll see top tier Koreans leave GSL to compete internationally, or we'll see top tier Koreans get shafted for WCS. The Korean WCS is going to be brutal, so that will be great to watch. But the competition afterwards, involving all three areas won't be nearly as good I feel. I'd rather watch B teamers than NA/EU players -_-'' What I am more concerned about is players actually getting paid and having an opportunity in WCS. The only way to make it work for me is to EXPAND GSL. With how many great players there are, Code S Ro64 would still be as stacked and difficult as the Ro32 we have now. With the sponsorship money they already had and the Blizzbucks they could do it. Expand Code A as well. I think this would help solve the problem MC mentions. With a larger Code S/A pool of players, those left in Code B will truly be B teamers, with greater incentive to play in NA/EU. A larger Code S/A, and then mass B team migration dominating NA/EU... that would be my ideal situation. So just a bunch of faceless Korean B teamers actually winning in NA/EU, alienating two huge markets would be good? "Faceless" is just your opinion. Watching Demuslim play 2v2s and 4v4s and losing to random players on NA ladder seems less appealing to me than Apocalypse grinding game after game in KR master's league.
"Faceless" isn't just his opinion. Viewership numbers have historically plummeted for Korean/Korean games when compared to Foreigner/Foreigner or Foreigner/Korean games. Give us a tournament where the Top 8 is Korean (and obviously isn't GSL/Proleague) and viewer numbers plummet.
I mean, look at the streams on the side. Just a few hours ago Demuslim had how many thousands of viewers? Liquid'Hero had 600 max.
And even right now, midnight Central Standard Time, Suppy as 1069 viewers, Catz has 501, Leiya 1128, and then Cella with 333 and Hwangsin at 203.
And that spread, no matter how you want to twist it, has been typical from the start. The numbers don't back you up man, sorry. WCS is literally tying its own noose by not enforcing residency as a requirement for the region lock. WCS NA isn't WCS NA if, you know, there aren't any North Americans playing in it.
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People should stop watching the Olympics because it's not the best of the best. I can't tell you how enraged I get when I watch the 100 meter dash and I see a white a guy. A white guy!?! Fuck Sweeden, give me a black guy. Always ruins the experience for me. Instead of having the best guys in the world! I'm stuck with 5 of the best and then 5 random white guys.
You know what would be the most genius solution ever!? Make Sweden a region and allow black people from other countries to choose Sweden as their country, and then we can have the 10 best guys in the world! Man, thank god for brilliant solutions like this. The Olympics will finally be worth watching and sponsors can finally feel compelled to put some money into it. I'm amazing, I work at Blizzard.
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On April 04 2013 14:20 Mauldo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 13:23 waylander_ wrote:On April 04 2013 13:17 Serpico wrote:On April 04 2013 13:14 lichter wrote:On April 04 2013 13:06 LimitSEA wrote:On April 04 2013 12:58 lichter wrote:
Like I've said, I only care about Korean leagues so I am still on the fence (leaning towards upset) about WCS. I couldn't care less about NA/EU. Agreed. Either we'll see top tier Koreans leave GSL to compete internationally, or we'll see top tier Koreans get shafted for WCS. The Korean WCS is going to be brutal, so that will be great to watch. But the competition afterwards, involving all three areas won't be nearly as good I feel. I'd rather watch B teamers than NA/EU players -_-'' What I am more concerned about is players actually getting paid and having an opportunity in WCS. The only way to make it work for me is to EXPAND GSL. With how many great players there are, Code S Ro64 would still be as stacked and difficult as the Ro32 we have now. With the sponsorship money they already had and the Blizzbucks they could do it. Expand Code A as well. I think this would help solve the problem MC mentions. With a larger Code S/A pool of players, those left in Code B will truly be B teamers, with greater incentive to play in NA/EU. A larger Code S/A, and then mass B team migration dominating NA/EU... that would be my ideal situation. So just a bunch of faceless Korean B teamers actually winning in NA/EU, alienating two huge markets would be good? "Faceless" is just your opinion. Watching Demuslim play 2v2s and 4v4s and losing to random players on NA ladder seems less appealing to me than Apocalypse grinding game after game in KR master's league. "Faceless" isn't just his opinion. Viewership numbers have historically plummeted for Korean/Korean games when compared to Foreigner/Foreigner or Foreigner/Korean games. Give us a tournament where the Top 8 is Korean (and obviously isn't GSL/Proleague) and viewer numbers plummet. I mean, look at the streams on the side. Just a few hours ago Demuslim had how many thousands of viewers? Liquid'Hero had 600 max. And even right now, midnight Central Standard Time, Suppy as 1069 viewers, Catz has 501, Leiya 1128, and then Cella with 333 and Hwangsin at 203. And that spread, no matter how you want to twist it, has been typical from the start. The numbers don't back you up man, sorry. WCS is literally tying its own noose by not enforcing residency as a requirement for the region lock. WCS NA isn't WCS NA if, you know, there aren't any North Americans playing in it.
Umm MLG? Top 8 was all Korean and it had way higher viewers than the ro32. Personal stream viewers aren't that relevant because very very few top Koreans stream while pretty much every top foreigner streams. Mostly it's just the Code B Koreans and Koreans on foreign teams. If Nestea/MVP/Parting/Life streamed consistently they would get more numbers than anyone besides like Grubby and Stephano maybe.
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On April 04 2013 13:49 Erik.TheRed wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 13:14 lichter wrote:On April 04 2013 13:06 LimitSEA wrote:On April 04 2013 12:58 lichter wrote:
Like I've said, I only care about Korean leagues so I am still on the fence (leaning towards upset) about WCS. I couldn't care less about NA/EU. Agreed. Either we'll see top tier Koreans leave GSL to compete internationally, or we'll see top tier Koreans get shafted for WCS. The Korean WCS is going to be brutal, so that will be great to watch. But the competition afterwards, involving all three areas won't be nearly as good I feel. I'd rather watch B teamers than NA/EU players -_-'' What I am more concerned about is players actually getting paid and having an opportunity in WCS. The only way to make it work for me is to EXPAND GSL. With how many great players there are, Code S Ro64 would still be as stacked and difficult as the Ro32 we have now. With the sponsorship money they already had and the Blizzbucks they could do it. Expand Code A as well. I think this would help solve the problem MC mentions. With a larger Code S/A pool of players, those left in Code B will truly be B teamers, with greater incentive to play in NA/EU. A larger Code S/A, and then mass B team migration dominating NA/EU... that would be my ideal situation. I think it is highly unlikely that the kespa B team players will be moving out of korea for WCS because the entire infrastructure of the teamhouses is that the B teams help the A teams train for the big money. By moving out of the country they aren't really able to help where it counts.
Actually i think that's exactly why most teams might send its B players to other region. These B-teamers will still want to participate in WCS as well . So B-teamers of Kespa or even ESF teams can join NA/EU so it reduces the possibility of meeting their teammates in tournaments. Thus they can still be efficient practice partners because they don't have to hide their builds from the A-team who is in KR. Previously, things get awkward between teammates who encounter each other in a tournament because they then have to hide builds. This way, the A-teamers and B-teamers can support each other to qualify in their respective regions.
The early rounds can be played online so it is only if the B players do get to Ro 16 that they have to make an overseas trip. And if they did make it that far, the potential gain outweigh the cost of sending. I am sure many sponsors will be ready to support on a new rising star who has made the top 16 as well.
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On April 04 2013 14:16 vesicular wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 14:11 Mauldo wrote:
I love the quote from the first page of Incontrol wanting to "punch" anyone who didn't agree that it's a good thing. Well, MC just threw down the gauntlet and made pretty much unimpeachable points. The problem is incontrol is right, this is a good thing. The fact that everyone wants to be cynical about it doesn't change that fact.
It's a good thing on principle, yeah, but to declare it an unblemished God Child of Possibilities and not see the issues others have as legitimate is unreasonable. I've only ever had one other beef with Incontrol before (back when he left SOTG because they "weren't paying him enough"), and this will have to count as number two.
When you've got MC and numerous other Koreans ranting about the region lock issues, and you plug your ears singing "Lalala, this is great, lalala" it's not helping anything.
Don't get me wrong. WCS in principle is wonderful. Last WCS was great. But it was great because the tourneys were actually region locked, like WCG except for awesome and not completely backass retarded. Their World Championships actually consisted of, you know, the world.
This WCS just seems...off. If that makes me cynical, then I'll count my company of Taeja, MC, Scarlett, et all. and be happy with it.
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Naniwa and Sase aint no bitches.
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On April 04 2013 14:23 JJH777 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 14:20 Mauldo wrote:On April 04 2013 13:23 waylander_ wrote:On April 04 2013 13:17 Serpico wrote:On April 04 2013 13:14 lichter wrote:On April 04 2013 13:06 LimitSEA wrote:On April 04 2013 12:58 lichter wrote:
Like I've said, I only care about Korean leagues so I am still on the fence (leaning towards upset) about WCS. I couldn't care less about NA/EU. Agreed. Either we'll see top tier Koreans leave GSL to compete internationally, or we'll see top tier Koreans get shafted for WCS. The Korean WCS is going to be brutal, so that will be great to watch. But the competition afterwards, involving all three areas won't be nearly as good I feel. I'd rather watch B teamers than NA/EU players -_-'' What I am more concerned about is players actually getting paid and having an opportunity in WCS. The only way to make it work for me is to EXPAND GSL. With how many great players there are, Code S Ro64 would still be as stacked and difficult as the Ro32 we have now. With the sponsorship money they already had and the Blizzbucks they could do it. Expand Code A as well. I think this would help solve the problem MC mentions. With a larger Code S/A pool of players, those left in Code B will truly be B teamers, with greater incentive to play in NA/EU. A larger Code S/A, and then mass B team migration dominating NA/EU... that would be my ideal situation. So just a bunch of faceless Korean B teamers actually winning in NA/EU, alienating two huge markets would be good? "Faceless" is just your opinion. Watching Demuslim play 2v2s and 4v4s and losing to random players on NA ladder seems less appealing to me than Apocalypse grinding game after game in KR master's league. "Faceless" isn't just his opinion. Viewership numbers have historically plummeted for Korean/Korean games when compared to Foreigner/Foreigner or Foreigner/Korean games. Give us a tournament where the Top 8 is Korean (and obviously isn't GSL/Proleague) and viewer numbers plummet. I mean, look at the streams on the side. Just a few hours ago Demuslim had how many thousands of viewers? Liquid'Hero had 600 max. And even right now, midnight Central Standard Time, Suppy as 1069 viewers, Catz has 501, Leiya 1128, and then Cella with 333 and Hwangsin at 203. And that spread, no matter how you want to twist it, has been typical from the start. The numbers don't back you up man, sorry. WCS is literally tying its own noose by not enforcing residency as a requirement for the region lock. WCS NA isn't WCS NA if, you know, there aren't any North Americans playing in it. Umm MLG? Top 8 was all Korean and it had way higher viewers than the ro32. Personal stream viewers aren't that relevant because very very few top Koreans stream while pretty much every top foreigner streams. Mostly it's just the Code B Koreans and Koreans on foreign teams. If Nestea/MVP/Parting/Life streamed consistently they would get more numbers than anyone besides like Grubby and Stephano maybe.
And that was based off of HOTS hype. Everyone said "Wow, those numbers. Just imagine if Ret had managed to stick around longer."
Even in a world where MLG kept a huge audience with the ro8, everyone still found it sensible to say "But a foreigner would have made numbers better." I think that alone wins the argument for me.
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On April 04 2013 13:32 Weirdkid wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 13:21 govie wrote:On April 04 2013 13:19 Weirdkid wrote:Interesting that they would allow people of any nationality to take part in any of the regions, considering that one of the initial reasons for WCS was to "allow local heroes to rise to the top". I guess they've moved on from that  If u want to participate in the olympics, u need to pass a threshold regardless of nationality. I think its fair. I don't see how your response actually responds to what I was trying to talk about, so I'll clarify  I meant that one of the main purposes of WCS was to bring out and showcase the talents from different countries. Now that they've made it such that anyone can play in any region, it doesn't quite fulfil that purpose anymore. But I guess this new format might just be them moving on from their initial vision of what WCS should be. People/companies change afterall.
I agree, the purpose changed. But it is more fair then ever before. For example : No more lucifron vs life or MVP v.s. Snute semifinals because they were also picked based on nationality (and didnt pick better koreans because of marketing etcetc). Although, i like bot players very much, they are not yet on par with some topkoreans.
This new setup will result in a smaller difference between quality on NA, EU and KR ladder. Which in turn means that EU-players get more practise against better players. In the long run the big leap between Korea and the world will become smaller and smaller. I still see the changes as positive for short term and long term for every proplayer in the world.
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On April 04 2013 14:20 Mauldo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 13:23 waylander_ wrote:On April 04 2013 13:17 Serpico wrote:On April 04 2013 13:14 lichter wrote:On April 04 2013 13:06 LimitSEA wrote:On April 04 2013 12:58 lichter wrote:
Like I've said, I only care about Korean leagues so I am still on the fence (leaning towards upset) about WCS. I couldn't care less about NA/EU. Agreed. Either we'll see top tier Koreans leave GSL to compete internationally, or we'll see top tier Koreans get shafted for WCS. The Korean WCS is going to be brutal, so that will be great to watch. But the competition afterwards, involving all three areas won't be nearly as good I feel. I'd rather watch B teamers than NA/EU players -_-'' What I am more concerned about is players actually getting paid and having an opportunity in WCS. The only way to make it work for me is to EXPAND GSL. With how many great players there are, Code S Ro64 would still be as stacked and difficult as the Ro32 we have now. With the sponsorship money they already had and the Blizzbucks they could do it. Expand Code A as well. I think this would help solve the problem MC mentions. With a larger Code S/A pool of players, those left in Code B will truly be B teamers, with greater incentive to play in NA/EU. A larger Code S/A, and then mass B team migration dominating NA/EU... that would be my ideal situation. So just a bunch of faceless Korean B teamers actually winning in NA/EU, alienating two huge markets would be good? I mean, look at the streams on the side. Just a few hours ago Demuslim had how many thousands of viewers? Liquid'Hero had 600 max. And even right now, midnight Central Standard Time, Suppy as 1069 viewers, Catz has 501, Leiya 1128, and then Cella with 333 and Hwangsin at 203. And that spread, no matter how you want to twist it, has been typical from the start. The numbers don't back you up man, sorry. WCS is literally tying its own noose by not enforcing residency as a requirement for the region lock. WCS NA isn't WCS NA if, you know, there aren't any North Americans playing in it.
Dragon has over 4000 viewers consistently. Stephano has over 9000 consistently. Polt has like 3000 consistently. Point?
Even Flo has like ~150 streamers right now.
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@IM_Ragnarok: T_T I'm ruined, so I'll just study for the college extrance exams.
@IM_RagnaroK: T_T so painful
did he get raped or something? Oh god....
on a serious note: I was hoping for something that would boost NA and EU sc2 but as it is right now, whats stopping Code A and code B do go and dominate the EU/NA scene? Players like EffOrt Byun Sniper (whos in code A now and therefor wont be able to compete in WCS I know...) hell even Noblesse could prob be like "sup NA Ima win everything now" and then we still have players like YongHwa HerO Avenge Killer and Ryung...
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On April 04 2013 14:30 NEEDZMOAR wrote:
@IM_Ragnarok: T_T I'm ruined, so I'll just study for the college extrance exams.
@IM_RagnaroK: T_T so painful
did he get raped or something? Oh god....
Blizzard: Ending progamer careers since April 2, 2013.
Seriously, I hope all the progamers are all right and find a solution to this predicament...
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On April 04 2013 14:28 Mauldo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 14:23 JJH777 wrote:On April 04 2013 14:20 Mauldo wrote:On April 04 2013 13:23 waylander_ wrote:On April 04 2013 13:17 Serpico wrote:On April 04 2013 13:14 lichter wrote:On April 04 2013 13:06 LimitSEA wrote:On April 04 2013 12:58 lichter wrote:
Like I've said, I only care about Korean leagues so I am still on the fence (leaning towards upset) about WCS. I couldn't care less about NA/EU. Agreed. Either we'll see top tier Koreans leave GSL to compete internationally, or we'll see top tier Koreans get shafted for WCS. The Korean WCS is going to be brutal, so that will be great to watch. But the competition afterwards, involving all three areas won't be nearly as good I feel. I'd rather watch B teamers than NA/EU players -_-'' What I am more concerned about is players actually getting paid and having an opportunity in WCS. The only way to make it work for me is to EXPAND GSL. With how many great players there are, Code S Ro64 would still be as stacked and difficult as the Ro32 we have now. With the sponsorship money they already had and the Blizzbucks they could do it. Expand Code A as well. I think this would help solve the problem MC mentions. With a larger Code S/A pool of players, those left in Code B will truly be B teamers, with greater incentive to play in NA/EU. A larger Code S/A, and then mass B team migration dominating NA/EU... that would be my ideal situation. So just a bunch of faceless Korean B teamers actually winning in NA/EU, alienating two huge markets would be good? "Faceless" is just your opinion. Watching Demuslim play 2v2s and 4v4s and losing to random players on NA ladder seems less appealing to me than Apocalypse grinding game after game in KR master's league. "Faceless" isn't just his opinion. Viewership numbers have historically plummeted for Korean/Korean games when compared to Foreigner/Foreigner or Foreigner/Korean games. Give us a tournament where the Top 8 is Korean (and obviously isn't GSL/Proleague) and viewer numbers plummet. I mean, look at the streams on the side. Just a few hours ago Demuslim had how many thousands of viewers? Liquid'Hero had 600 max. And even right now, midnight Central Standard Time, Suppy as 1069 viewers, Catz has 501, Leiya 1128, and then Cella with 333 and Hwangsin at 203. And that spread, no matter how you want to twist it, has been typical from the start. The numbers don't back you up man, sorry. WCS is literally tying its own noose by not enforcing residency as a requirement for the region lock. WCS NA isn't WCS NA if, you know, there aren't any North Americans playing in it. Umm MLG? Top 8 was all Korean and it had way higher viewers than the ro32. Personal stream viewers aren't that relevant because very very few top Koreans stream while pretty much every top foreigner streams. Mostly it's just the Code B Koreans and Koreans on foreign teams. If Nestea/MVP/Parting/Life streamed consistently they would get more numbers than anyone besides like Grubby and Stephano maybe. And that was based off of HOTS hype. Everyone said "Wow, those numbers. Just imagine if Ret had managed to stick around longer." Even in a world where MLG kept a huge audience with the ro8, everyone still found it sensible to say "But a foreigner would have made numbers better." I think that alone wins the argument for me.
If it was just because of HotS hype then why didn't the initial foreigner vs korean or foreigner vs foreigner matches get more viewers than the Korean vs Korean matches. The idea that viewer numbers suffer because of foreigners being eliminated is ridiculously unfounded. There has never actually been a sudden drop in viewers when the final foreigner dies. Viewers almost always peak with the finals of any tournament regardless of how foreigners do.
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On April 04 2013 14:34 JJH777 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 14:28 Mauldo wrote:On April 04 2013 14:23 JJH777 wrote:On April 04 2013 14:20 Mauldo wrote:On April 04 2013 13:23 waylander_ wrote:On April 04 2013 13:17 Serpico wrote:On April 04 2013 13:14 lichter wrote:On April 04 2013 13:06 LimitSEA wrote:On April 04 2013 12:58 lichter wrote:
Like I've said, I only care about Korean leagues so I am still on the fence (leaning towards upset) about WCS. I couldn't care less about NA/EU. Agreed. Either we'll see top tier Koreans leave GSL to compete internationally, or we'll see top tier Koreans get shafted for WCS. The Korean WCS is going to be brutal, so that will be great to watch. But the competition afterwards, involving all three areas won't be nearly as good I feel. I'd rather watch B teamers than NA/EU players -_-'' What I am more concerned about is players actually getting paid and having an opportunity in WCS. The only way to make it work for me is to EXPAND GSL. With how many great players there are, Code S Ro64 would still be as stacked and difficult as the Ro32 we have now. With the sponsorship money they already had and the Blizzbucks they could do it. Expand Code A as well. I think this would help solve the problem MC mentions. With a larger Code S/A pool of players, those left in Code B will truly be B teamers, with greater incentive to play in NA/EU. A larger Code S/A, and then mass B team migration dominating NA/EU... that would be my ideal situation. So just a bunch of faceless Korean B teamers actually winning in NA/EU, alienating two huge markets would be good? "Faceless" is just your opinion. Watching Demuslim play 2v2s and 4v4s and losing to random players on NA ladder seems less appealing to me than Apocalypse grinding game after game in KR master's league. "Faceless" isn't just his opinion. Viewership numbers have historically plummeted for Korean/Korean games when compared to Foreigner/Foreigner or Foreigner/Korean games. Give us a tournament where the Top 8 is Korean (and obviously isn't GSL/Proleague) and viewer numbers plummet. I mean, look at the streams on the side. Just a few hours ago Demuslim had how many thousands of viewers? Liquid'Hero had 600 max. And even right now, midnight Central Standard Time, Suppy as 1069 viewers, Catz has 501, Leiya 1128, and then Cella with 333 and Hwangsin at 203. And that spread, no matter how you want to twist it, has been typical from the start. The numbers don't back you up man, sorry. WCS is literally tying its own noose by not enforcing residency as a requirement for the region lock. WCS NA isn't WCS NA if, you know, there aren't any North Americans playing in it. Umm MLG? Top 8 was all Korean and it had way higher viewers than the ro32. Personal stream viewers aren't that relevant because very very few top Koreans stream while pretty much every top foreigner streams. Mostly it's just the Code B Koreans and Koreans on foreign teams. If Nestea/MVP/Parting/Life streamed consistently they would get more numbers than anyone besides like Grubby and Stephano maybe. And that was based off of HOTS hype. Everyone said "Wow, those numbers. Just imagine if Ret had managed to stick around longer." Even in a world where MLG kept a huge audience with the ro8, everyone still found it sensible to say "But a foreigner would have made numbers better." I think that alone wins the argument for me. If it was just because of HotS hype then why didn't the initial foreigner vs korean or foreigner vs foreigner matches get more viewers than the Korean vs Korean matches. The idea that viewer numbers suffer because of foreigners being eliminated is ridiculously unfounded. There has never actually been a sudden drop in viewers when the final foreigner dies. Viewers almost always peak with the finals of any tournament regardless of how foreigners do.
Viewers do have favorites. I remember that MLG where viewers dropped off after Flash and foreigners all got knocked out in earlier rounds.
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On April 04 2013 14:31 geokilla wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 14:30 NEEDZMOAR wrote:
@IM_Ragnarok: T_T I'm ruined, so I'll just study for the college extrance exams.
@IM_RagnaroK: T_T so painful
did he get raped or something? Oh god.... Blizzard: Ending progamer careers since April 2, 2013. Seriously, I hope all the progamers are all right and find a solution to this predicament...
The solution is sponsorpayd trips to lan events. Dont worry, A lot of fuss over nothing. IM-Ragnarok finally gets a chance to play for a big cup during vacation full expenses payd by LG, whats wrong with that?
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No offense to SaSe, but I completely disagree with him. While its all good to be noble and try to get better at the game, given the state of eSports and what not, get money get paid.
It's not like you're getting paid a boat load of money salary wise. Imo, maximize your EV now. I don't know his background, I don't know if he has anything to fall back on should he need to, but I much prefer Stephano's approach, make a boat load of money, and if he doesn't enjoy it anymore, bail out and you have a nice chunk of change stored away from which he can draw on to do something else in life.
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hey big thanks for the translation aand organizing this all for us wax
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i like how pepole say the GSL doesn't exist anymore because it now has a different name.
also some of those tweets in OP are reinforcing my suspicion that Polt knew what was gonna happen when he made his decision tbh. not that there's anything wrong with that, and it's an amazing decision for him to make. dude's handsome as fuck too.
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Polt so gosu. He knew about it all along.
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i feel same
no foreign in GSL anymore
alot koreans in overseas making tournaments to kor only worldwide ...
i feel rly bad right now
also no mvp nestea etc in wcs is ... wtf
i think in the end euro will be most euro but
usa 90% korean qualifiers or 100%
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