EPTMC goes off on WCS & Polt's Machiavellian plan - Page 12
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sitromit
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sitromit
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On April 04 2013 14:20 playa wrote: People should stop watching the Olympics because it's not the best of the best. I can't tell you how enraged I get when I watch the 100 meter dash and I see a white a guy. A white guy!?! Fuck Sweeden, give me a black guy. Always ruins the experience for me. Instead of having the best guys in the world! I'm stuck with 5 of the best and then 5 random white guys. You know what would be the most genius solution ever!? Make Sweden a region and allow black people from other countries to choose Sweden as their country, and then we can have the 10 best guys in the world! Man, thank god for brilliant solutions like this. The Olympics will finally be worth watching and sponsors can finally feel compelled to put some money into it. I'm amazing, I work at Blizzard. Yeah about those white guys in the 100 meters... + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d2/London_2012_Olympic_100m_final_start.jpg) Countries with better athletes get way more spots in the end, the way the system is designed in most sports in the Olympics. And it's a completely different thing. Compare it to individual pro sports like Tennis or Golf, where there are no restrictions based on nationality or residence. | ||
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govie
9334 Posts
On April 04 2013 14:44 Ctesias wrote: Polt so gosu. He knew about it all along. Polt!!!!1 | ||
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rename
Estonia329 Posts
On April 04 2013 14:11 Mauldo wrote: And that's the thing, like MC said. The regions aren't even region locked - you can play all of the WCS games online apparently. Or, at least, most of them. If you can play weekend WCS NA MLG events for points, then go to the three major LANs, then you're set. I love the quote from the first page of Incontrol wanting to "punch" anyone who didn't agree that it's a good thing. Well, MC just threw down the gauntlet and made pretty much unimpeachable points. What did he say that was legitimately untrue or manufactured? MC is wrong in two most talked about points: "Disadvantageous conditions for Korean Players" - there is no disadvantage, they are free to play whereever they want. SC2 needs big live daily league for EU/US timezones - everything cant be in korea. "it makes practicing in Korea for Korean tournaments itself a foolish act." unfounded - this all depends on the prize pools, amount of weekend tourneys, and the amount of koreans willing to move and if there are any proper teamhouses going up outside korea. And his other points are not that unimpeachable either: "People not in CodeS get shafted" - well this is the only reasonably valid arguement, but the other option is to shaft the CodeS players - some might have went to a foreign event instead of focusing on their CodeA matches to get into GSL Season 2 code S. "The football analogy" - since this is the first season and everyone can choose their region, there is no way to determine how many spots each region should get to the season final 16 tourney. Perhaps in the future the seeds can be switched around based on results of previous season. "If Korean players go to WCS EU and WCS NA and dominate there as well, I wonder what kind of Amerian or European fan would want to watch the WCS finals." We dont know that yet - korean dominated starcraft2 tourneys sure are the most watched one right now. ... What blizzard did was not perfect, but to make a global daily league happen - all the choices seem to be the best ( or in some cases least wrong ) ones. | ||
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kafkaesque
Germany2006 Posts
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6BiT
513 Posts
On April 04 2013 14:40 Schelim wrote: i like how pepole say the GSL doesn't exist anymore because it now has a different name. The thing I don't like is, the most prestigious tournament in starcraft 2 (GSL - Code S) with the highest level play is now going to be a feeder tournament to a seasonal WCS Finals which will have an overall lower level of play. The qualifier will be harder than the actual tournament itself lol... Overall this is a step in the right direction, there is no doubt about that. Maybe its all in the naming that makes it feel this way I'm not entirely sure. All I know with is when all of this was announced, the GSL just felt a little less meaningful :/ | ||
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VanGarde
Sweden755 Posts
You could argue that Blizzard should have region locked the wcs divisions completely then but the downside to that would have been that you exclude all of the foreigners who are practicing in korea and all of the koreans that are in america or europe because they are on a team or because they are studying there. The solution they went with was the optimal one that creates the least obstacles. | ||
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thepotatoman
United States73 Posts
If those exact same koreans happened to have been born in america or europe, they would have never had the chance to take advantage of the many advantages that the korean esport scene has been able to develop by being around since broodwar, and they probably wouldn't be near as good as they are now, even if they practiced 14 hours a day. | ||
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JJH777
United States4404 Posts
On April 04 2013 15:00 rename wrote: And his other points are not that unimpeachable either: "People not in CodeS get shafted" - well this is the only reasonably valid arguement, but the other option is to shaft the CodeS players - some might have went to a foreign event instead of focusing on their CodeA matches to get into GSL Season 2 code S. Or they could have made GSL and WCS Korea separate things but they would have required them to put an actual significant amount of money into E-sports. This was super lazy and cheap. | ||
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starslayer
United States696 Posts
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RiceAgainst
United States1849 Posts
On April 04 2013 15:18 starslayer wrote: sorry im slow and lost again, can someone tell me why they would have to move to AM or EU. cant they just practice in kr and fly out to the mlgs and dreamhacks and get there points and go home like they did before? I think they can but the problem is playing with lag on the online parts, and then having to fly to the event itself should they make it. I think WCS pays for your ticket, but only if you live in the region where you're going to play in. | ||
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playa
United States1284 Posts
On April 04 2013 14:47 sitromit wrote: Yeah about those white guys in the 100 meters... + Show Spoiler + Countries with better athletes get way more spots in the end, the way the system is designed in most sports in the Olympics. And it's a completely different thing. Compare it to individual pro sports like Tennis or Golf, where there are no restrictions based on nationality or residence. Believe it or not but there are at least 10 countries with black people, so more times than not it does look like that. But, we've all seen international sprints where there were white people, inevitably finishing last. And I'm here to tell you, it's a HORRIBLE experience. But it would have been so much better if a black guy got 10th! Sarcasm. Anything country/continent based is never going to have the absolute best of the best, but no one has ever given a fuck about it. The best athlete/player is always going to win, and if you ruin a national scene just to guarantee a black guy gets 10th, you're a clown. It's no different for "white guys" and Koreans in SC 2. If you want this format, call the regions something else. I've never been to Korea but I could be playing in essentially the Korean nationals. It's dumb. I'm still curious as to where were all of these people back in BW that hated WCG and TSL. You know teamliquid ran tournaments that excluded Koreans and all of the foreigners loved it? The non Koreans were 100x worse in comparison to the Koreans than in SC 2. Weird right to enjoy watching people that play at a high-level but don't want to play 14 hours a day. O no, they could be better, but since they are around the same level, they still produce close/interesting games. Blizzard must be hiring PR people by the dozen. Warning, the below video may be disturbing to those that can only palate the best of the best. It's an event in Paris where someone from France, not black, was allowed to delegitimize the event and sully it. | ||
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mrRoflpwn
United States2618 Posts
On April 04 2013 15:21 RiceAgainst wrote: I think they can but the problem is playing with lag on the online parts, and then having to fly to the event itself should they make it. I think WCS pays for your ticket, but only if you live in the region where you're going to play in. This is correct. In order to discourage people from moving around they said they wont pay flight for players that are playing from another region (ie. they wont pay your flights/hotels if you move from korea to america) Also, i think its good thing for the viewers that we can have some koreans in btoh EU and AM because for many people it adds in the interest for the korean vs foreigner match. A few of these would spice up the tournament because the koreans would probably be the favorites in most situations. Ofcourse MC is right about code B palyers getting shafted. For fucks sake we have Mvp AND Nestea AND Seed not playing in WCS this season. wtf right? There should be some second chance qualifier for these guys. (maybe have a tournament for 1 season finals spot for people not in code S?) I dunno, I just cant wait for Code S to startup! | ||
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rename
Estonia329 Posts
On April 04 2013 15:18 starslayer wrote: sorry im slow and lost again, can someone tell me why they would have to move to AM or EU. cant they just practice in kr and fly out to the mlgs and dreamhacks and get there points and go home like they did before? If they want to be in the EU/NA version of CodeS/CodeA, they likely will have to move. Most of the money will be handed out in Ro16 LAN. The Ro16 will likely not be a weekend affair, so in addition to the visa's, intercontinental plane tickets, and the usual 2-day hotel thing - its going to be 1 or 2 weeks of living costs ( unless you have a friend living there ). Might not be worth it. edit: Not to mention, once you get out of ro32 - you might only have a week to prepare the flights, book the hotels - get a visa and everything. Im not sure if it's even possible. edit2: Actually this might quite a problem for people who want to participate in NA league outside from Canada/NA. Or people outside Shengen Area in european league. | ||
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NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
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JJH777
United States4404 Posts
On April 04 2013 15:10 VanGarde wrote: I really don't see what their beef is, how does this really damage anyone in code a or code b? This is a NEW league that did not exist before, they are not being robbed of anything. Except GSL and OSL. | ||
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starslayer
United States696 Posts
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Lysanias
Netherlands8351 Posts
On April 04 2013 15:37 Type|NarutO wrote: Only good for me, less foreign players, more Koreans to qualify over EU/NA. Naniwa and SaSe both with a good mentality. Same here, either step up EU/NA or watch from the sidelines. | ||
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DeathProfessor
United States1052 Posts
Thing is Koreans aren't playing ball like that, NA isn't winning from this. Koreans will win, get their money and go back home rich as usual. USA will continue to be a 'third world' SC2 nation if you will, getting no benefit from hosting a tournament as usual. So Koreans take all of our money and retain fanboys like you guys and USA players who *never win* get no fanboys as there is nothing to be a fan OF. People aren't a fan of races they are a fan of winners. For example, in EU they are able to have plenty of EU only tournaments, and were protected from Korea because they were a bit protectionist and didn't fly all expenses paid every last Korean and its fucking expensive to fly there and look at their scene today its crazy. Best crowds ever! Its a rich get richer problem. Top 7 KR 2013. 2012 14 of 15 KR. All the rest EU. It goes on. But you guys hate that NA finally gets a shot at SOME cash. Millions of bucks go to KR but thats still not enough you got to root for them to get the rest. Its like "the starving man didn't beat the athlete in a race someone make sure that starving man gets no bread or its wrong!" All NA wants is a little glory, but winhounds like Korean fanboys only see "best should advance" if given a chance to not be stomped on by superior players... maybe NA actually IS able to be good by LotV, shows good games, gets actual fans. It has happened before. Scarlett now competes in KR. First Idra in 2010. Then Huk in 2011. Now Scarlett in 2012. They proved that we can compete. BTW If an Asian USA born player wins in NA I will be in his bandwagon. Fuck race. Go Suppy! And this whole thing about viewership not lowering? "I want to stop watching this tournament I sunk 20 hours into because no White People" -- said no one ever except for Cletus Grand Dragon of the KKK However do you see growth? I mean 110k... its good. However we were getting that same number in 2011. There wasn't any growth. Same nerds are watching for Koreans which most people if they WERE racist would have shut this off long ago. Maybe some of the LoL huge growth are frustrated foreigners who love watching the EU and NA teams kick ass and got tired of the SC2 stuff. I don't know if having NA players lifting a trophy brings in more viewers. We should try to find out though. | ||
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govie
9334 Posts
On April 04 2013 15:35 mrRoflpwn wrote: This is correct. In order to discourage people from moving around they said they wont pay flight for players that are playing from another region (ie. they wont pay your flights/hotels if you move from korea to america) Also, i think its good thing for the viewers that we can have some koreans in btoh EU and AM because for many people it adds in the interest for the korean vs foreigner match. A few of these would spice up the tournament because the koreans would probably be the favorites in most situations. Bullshit. LG_IM will send all there players to the different leagues. There sponsors will pay all travellingexpences for sure as LG wants to be well represented in the WCS, the superbowl of e-sports! Everyone that is whining is wrong. Lesser code B players will finally have a chance to win something on a stage with some real prizemoney. Every mediocre code B or lower player including nestea and MVP (im sorry but they are in code B atm and thus mediocre last season) will benefit, as they still have a shot at a big prize and alot of fame. | ||
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