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On April 04 2013 16:53 Micromnky wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 16:47 waylander_ wrote:On April 04 2013 16:41 Micromnky wrote:On April 04 2013 16:38 waylander_ wrote:On April 04 2013 16:00 archonOOid wrote:
Why can't they just move? No that hard really. It seems to me that there will be more money in the making abroad from a Korean perspective with WCS EU/NA spots + all the regular (non WCS) tournaments that are located outside Korea. Move to someplace you don't speak the language, that has shit food, ugly women, and bad ping to Korea? It's not as easy as you make it man. It's unfair-- Koreans are being punished just for being Koreans. How the hell are they being punished? They aren't entitled to shit. Theres a reason why its Regional, with those regions being KR, NA, EU. Except that no other region in the world is as good as Korean B teamers. Was it fair that foreigners got direct seeds into the MLG winter "Championship" by playing in 'regional' qualifiers, beating players like Fenix and complete no name foreigners? Was the first round not the one of the most atrocious things ever displayed in SC2? http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2013_MLG_Winter_Championship#BracketKoreans are being punished for being more talented and working harder? Complete bullshit. I hope this whole disaster doesn't come to fruition. "Incontrol vs TT1, live, winner to the season finals where Code S Koreans who had a path 10,000x harder than them await" How can you quantifyably prove that these apparent legions of Korean 'B-teamers' are 100% with-out a doubt better than players from the rest of the world?It was fair that people who are from a certain region, proved they were the best from the region, and got a seed for it. Thats why its a REGIONAL qualifier.
err.. they are. Im pretty damn sure players like CjHydra, Seed, Cj hero and jjakji are still better than foreigners who get seeded into Code A and get knocked out in the first round. Dont give lame excuses like "oh but they are korean style toruneys which foreiners arent used to! " because koreans who go to foreign tourneys perform extremely well
edit: even artosis stated on sotg(about a year and half ago i think) that there are plenty of players in code bwho could potentially win Code S.
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On April 04 2013 16:11 Hikari wrote:
I really do not get why there is a need to "preserve" "foreigners" in WCS by artificially creating the various divisions, with the Korean one being most likely a death zone.
Why do people want to see "white dudes" so much? Is it because they are non-asian? Is that not just down right discriminatory?
Koreans are not natrually borned as elite progamers with superior genetics (unlike sports where African origins tend to have stronger muscles I believe). They are good at it because they practice hard and sacrificed a lot behind the scenes. Why should those people be penalized by being part of a more difficult group?
Sure, the Koreans can participate in the NA/EU divisions, but that forces them to leave their home... it is not something suitable for everyone, or even financially possible for the not-as-well-off Korean teams. Leaving to another country especially when you struggle with the basics of the local tongue is quite a challenging task (thankfully most people here are fluent in English which can be used to limited degrees around the world, but good luck trying to find someone who knows Korean outside of Korea...).
Instead of giving the "foreigners" the advantage of choosing relatively easy divisions, those who wish to see their foreign representatives represent their region should encourage them to get even better.
Koreans have won a ton of foreign cash and fame that Blizzard clearly feels is "killing" the game to some degree.. At least a significant enough degree to merit changes such as the ones being implemented. I imagine Blizzard's main goal is to grow starcraft 2 in all regions and they have presumably done a lot of research before committing to this degree of support, monetary or otherwise. They clearly feel having a certain type of "regional discouragment" will help grow the game in every region. It will be interesting to see if this venture will work out as planned, but personally I think its worth a shot.. Especially as an attempt to save a stagnant North American competitive scene.
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On April 04 2013 16:53 Micromnky wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 16:47 waylander_ wrote:On April 04 2013 16:41 Micromnky wrote:On April 04 2013 16:38 waylander_ wrote:On April 04 2013 16:00 archonOOid wrote:
Why can't they just move? No that hard really. It seems to me that there will be more money in the making abroad from a Korean perspective with WCS EU/NA spots + all the regular (non WCS) tournaments that are located outside Korea. Move to someplace you don't speak the language, that has shit food, ugly women, and bad ping to Korea? It's not as easy as you make it man. It's unfair-- Koreans are being punished just for being Koreans. How the hell are they being punished? They aren't entitled to shit. Theres a reason why its Regional, with those regions being KR, NA, EU. Except that no other region in the world is as good as Korean B teamers. Was it fair that foreigners got direct seeds into the MLG winter "Championship" by playing in 'regional' qualifiers, beating players like Fenix and complete no name foreigners? Was the first round not the one of the most atrocious things ever displayed in SC2? http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2013_MLG_Winter_Championship#BracketKoreans are being punished for being more talented and working harder? Complete bullshit. I hope this whole disaster doesn't come to fruition. "Incontrol vs TT1, live, winner to the season finals where Code S Koreans who had a path 10,000x harder than them await" How can you quantifyably prove that these apparent legions of Korean 'B-teamers' are 100% with-out a doubt better than players from the rest of the world? It was fair that people who are from a certain region, proved they were the best from the region, and got a seed for it. Thats why its a REGIONAL qualifier.
A lot of the current "code b players" have proven it themselves over and over again by beating foreigners and the fact that they are in code b is prove enough.
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On April 04 2013 17:01 mongmong wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 16:53 Micromnky wrote:On April 04 2013 16:47 waylander_ wrote:On April 04 2013 16:41 Micromnky wrote:On April 04 2013 16:38 waylander_ wrote:On April 04 2013 16:00 archonOOid wrote:
Why can't they just move? No that hard really. It seems to me that there will be more money in the making abroad from a Korean perspective with WCS EU/NA spots + all the regular (non WCS) tournaments that are located outside Korea. Move to someplace you don't speak the language, that has shit food, ugly women, and bad ping to Korea? It's not as easy as you make it man. It's unfair-- Koreans are being punished just for being Koreans. How the hell are they being punished? They aren't entitled to shit. Theres a reason why its Regional, with those regions being KR, NA, EU. Except that no other region in the world is as good as Korean B teamers. Was it fair that foreigners got direct seeds into the MLG winter "Championship" by playing in 'regional' qualifiers, beating players like Fenix and complete no name foreigners? Was the first round not the one of the most atrocious things ever displayed in SC2? http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2013_MLG_Winter_Championship#BracketKoreans are being punished for being more talented and working harder? Complete bullshit. I hope this whole disaster doesn't come to fruition. "Incontrol vs TT1, live, winner to the season finals where Code S Koreans who had a path 10,000x harder than them await" How can you quantifyably prove that these apparent legions of Korean 'B-teamers' are 100% with-out a doubt better than players from the rest of the world?It was fair that people who are from a certain region, proved they were the best from the region, and got a seed for it. Thats why its a REGIONAL qualifier. err.. they are. Im pretty damn sure players like CjHydra, Seed, Cj hero and jjakji are still better than foreigners who get seeded into Code A and get knocked out in the first round. Dont give lame excuses like "oh but they are korean style toruneys which foreiners arent used to! " because koreans who go to foreign tourneys perform extremely well edit: even artosis stated on sotg(about a year and half ago i think) that there are plenty of players in code bwho could potentially win Code S.
한국의 vs 한국의 will always be hard and tough. 한국의 vs foreigners ez anytime.
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On April 04 2013 16:57 waylander_ wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 16:53 Micromnky wrote:On April 04 2013 16:47 waylander_ wrote:On April 04 2013 16:41 Micromnky wrote:On April 04 2013 16:38 waylander_ wrote:On April 04 2013 16:00 archonOOid wrote:
Why can't they just move? No that hard really. It seems to me that there will be more money in the making abroad from a Korean perspective with WCS EU/NA spots + all the regular (non WCS) tournaments that are located outside Korea. Move to someplace you don't speak the language, that has shit food, ugly women, and bad ping to Korea? It's not as easy as you make it man. It's unfair-- Koreans are being punished just for being Koreans. How the hell are they being punished? They aren't entitled to shit. Theres a reason why its Regional, with those regions being KR, NA, EU. Except that no other region in the world is as good as Korean B teamers. Was it fair that foreigners got direct seeds into the MLG winter "Championship" by playing in 'regional' qualifiers, beating players like Fenix and complete no name foreigners? Was the first round not the one of the most atrocious things ever displayed in SC2? http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2013_MLG_Winter_Championship#BracketKoreans are being punished for being more talented and working harder? Complete bullshit. I hope this whole disaster doesn't come to fruition. "Incontrol vs TT1, live, winner to the season finals where Code S Koreans who had a path 10,000x harder than them await" How can you quantifyably prove that these apparent legions of Korean 'B-teamers' are 100% with-out a doubt better than players from the rest of the world? It was fair that people who are from a certain region, proved they were the best from the region, and got a seed for it. Thats why its a REGIONAL qualifier. You have got to be kidding dude. Go watch the coverage of the Code A qualifiers on the 10th. Any one of those Koreans would be by far the best foreigner in the world. Guess how many foreigners ever have made it through the Code A qualifiers? Oh right, 0.. same chance any foreigner wins any WCS finals.
You still cant grasp the concept of a WORLD Championship Series. With REGIONAL qualifiers. Besides, if these Korean B-teamers couldnt get past their countrymen in the Korean qualifiers, then wouldn't it be logical to assume that they wouldn't win the Finals anyway, so why do they need to be there?
You don't give a shit about any scene other than the Korean one. Because apparently theyre the only ones capable of even progressing to a high level. Then enjoy watching GSL, ignore the other Regional tournaments, and go on your way.
WCS is set up the way it is to help build each region.
If this was really that big of an injustice to koreans, then why arent you lobbying to give koreans better seeds in ESL too? Europeans cant beat Koreans apparently, because theyre foreigners, afterall, so why not just seed a ton of koreans there too? Oh wait, because its the EUROPEAN Starleague.
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On April 04 2013 16:38 waylander_ wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 16:00 archonOOid wrote:
Why can't they just move? No that hard really. It seems to me that there will be more money in the making abroad from a Korean perspective with WCS EU/NA spots + all the regular (non WCS) tournaments that are located outside Korea. Move to someplace you don't speak the language, that has shit food, ugly women, and bad ping to Korea? It's not as easy as you make it man. It's unfair-- Koreans are being punished just for being Koreans.
Whoah whoah whoah. Are you talking about a specific country here, or Europe and NA in general? Because that's one of the most ignorant and borderline-retarded generalizations I've read in a while.
Now more on the topic at hand, I think MC is right, this seems to be a terrible format. Blizzard must've gotten the whole "we want a more focused storyline we can follow" idea that was brought up in the oversaturation period, which is great, but they way they're trying to implement a solution looks like it'll backfire pretty hard. I also think it's silly that they decided to use both GOM and OGN for Korea (this isn't the silly part) while only choosing MLG to do the NA regionals. Obviously, NASL have been putting out quality online content for a while now, one could even say it's their bread and butter, it's what they're known for and best at. So instead of Blizzard utilizing this in their favour and bringing the scene even closer together, they decide to directly compete with one of their major tournament organizers. DreamHack should be fine, there's still Counter-Strike and that godly atmosphere for their SC2 finals so it won't hurt them that much that they have to compete with ESL.
I don't know what Blizzard's thinking with this, but as it stands I don't see this working out as planned, not by a long shot.
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On April 04 2013 17:04 Micromnky wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 16:57 waylander_ wrote:On April 04 2013 16:53 Micromnky wrote:On April 04 2013 16:47 waylander_ wrote:On April 04 2013 16:41 Micromnky wrote:On April 04 2013 16:38 waylander_ wrote:On April 04 2013 16:00 archonOOid wrote:
Why can't they just move? No that hard really. It seems to me that there will be more money in the making abroad from a Korean perspective with WCS EU/NA spots + all the regular (non WCS) tournaments that are located outside Korea. Move to someplace you don't speak the language, that has shit food, ugly women, and bad ping to Korea? It's not as easy as you make it man. It's unfair-- Koreans are being punished just for being Koreans. How the hell are they being punished? They aren't entitled to shit. Theres a reason why its Regional, with those regions being KR, NA, EU. Except that no other region in the world is as good as Korean B teamers. Was it fair that foreigners got direct seeds into the MLG winter "Championship" by playing in 'regional' qualifiers, beating players like Fenix and complete no name foreigners? Was the first round not the one of the most atrocious things ever displayed in SC2? http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2013_MLG_Winter_Championship#BracketKoreans are being punished for being more talented and working harder? Complete bullshit. I hope this whole disaster doesn't come to fruition. "Incontrol vs TT1, live, winner to the season finals where Code S Koreans who had a path 10,000x harder than them await" How can you quantifyably prove that these apparent legions of Korean 'B-teamers' are 100% with-out a doubt better than players from the rest of the world? It was fair that people who are from a certain region, proved they were the best from the region, and got a seed for it. Thats why its a REGIONAL qualifier. You have got to be kidding dude. Go watch the coverage of the Code A qualifiers on the 10th. Any one of those Koreans would be by far the best foreigner in the world. Guess how many foreigners ever have made it through the Code A qualifiers? Oh right, 0.. same chance any foreigner wins any WCS finals. You still cant grasp the concept of a WORLD Championship Series. With REGIONAL qualifiers. Besides, if these Korean B-teamers couldnt get past their countrymen in the Korean qualifiers, then wouldn't it be logical to assume that they wouldn't win the Finals anyway, so why do they need to be there? You don't give a shit about any scene other than the Korean one. Because apparently theyre the only ones capable of even progressing to a high level. Then enjoy watching GSL, ignore the other Regional tournaments, and go on your way. WCS is set up the way it is to help build each region. If this was really that big of an injustice to koreans, then why arent you lobbying to give koreans better seeds in ESL too? Europeans cant beat Koreans apparently, because theyre foreigners, afterall, so why not just seed a ton of koreans there too? Oh wait, because its the EUROPEAN Starleague.
You are wrong.
FYI, MVP, MC dropped to code B before. Does that make them not good? 한국의 players all strong. Sometimes you win sometime you lose. Just like Life. Before MVP, Nestea MC era he is nothing and unheard of.
That doesn't make any Code A/B players no good. In fact, some are good but no luck during actual qualifier day.
Again, put them (those you called Code A/B players weak who can't get past any of their own countrymen) in ANY foreigners event, they will own you.
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On April 04 2013 17:04 Micromnky wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 16:57 waylander_ wrote:On April 04 2013 16:53 Micromnky wrote:On April 04 2013 16:47 waylander_ wrote:On April 04 2013 16:41 Micromnky wrote:On April 04 2013 16:38 waylander_ wrote:On April 04 2013 16:00 archonOOid wrote:
Why can't they just move? No that hard really. It seems to me that there will be more money in the making abroad from a Korean perspective with WCS EU/NA spots + all the regular (non WCS) tournaments that are located outside Korea. Move to someplace you don't speak the language, that has shit food, ugly women, and bad ping to Korea? It's not as easy as you make it man. It's unfair-- Koreans are being punished just for being Koreans. How the hell are they being punished? They aren't entitled to shit. Theres a reason why its Regional, with those regions being KR, NA, EU. Except that no other region in the world is as good as Korean B teamers. Was it fair that foreigners got direct seeds into the MLG winter "Championship" by playing in 'regional' qualifiers, beating players like Fenix and complete no name foreigners? Was the first round not the one of the most atrocious things ever displayed in SC2? http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2013_MLG_Winter_Championship#BracketKoreans are being punished for being more talented and working harder? Complete bullshit. I hope this whole disaster doesn't come to fruition. "Incontrol vs TT1, live, winner to the season finals where Code S Koreans who had a path 10,000x harder than them await" How can you quantifyably prove that these apparent legions of Korean 'B-teamers' are 100% with-out a doubt better than players from the rest of the world? It was fair that people who are from a certain region, proved they were the best from the region, and got a seed for it. Thats why its a REGIONAL qualifier. You have got to be kidding dude. Go watch the coverage of the Code A qualifiers on the 10th. Any one of those Koreans would be by far the best foreigner in the world. Guess how many foreigners ever have made it through the Code A qualifiers? Oh right, 0.. same chance any foreigner wins any WCS finals. You still cant grasp the concept of a WORLD Championship Series. With REGIONAL qualifiers. Besides, if these Korean B-teamers couldnt get past their countrymen in the Korean qualifiers, then wouldn't it be logical to assume that they wouldn't win the Finals anyway, so why do they need to be there? You don't give a shit about any scene other than the Korean one. Because apparently theyre the only ones capable of even progressing to a high level. Then enjoy watching GSL, ignore the other Regional tournaments, and go on your way. WCS is set up the way it is to help build each region. If this was really that big of an injustice to koreans, then why arent you lobbying to give koreans better seeds in ESL too? Europeans cant beat Koreans apparently, because theyre foreigners, afterall, so why not just seed a ton of koreans there too? Oh wait, because its the EUROPEAN Starleague.
You point out that those Korean B-Teamers don't need to be at the WCS World Finals because they have no chance in winning anyways. He is saying that even those Code B Koreans are far superior to any NA/EU player and are worthy of the grand finals. With the decision to make the current Code S the qualifiers, you take all chances from them to even proof they could potentially be there.
Also; if the Code B Koreans don't deserve to be there / no need for them to be there because they cannot win against the Code S Koreans anyway, why do you need EU/NA players there? Its not even about only caring for the Korean scene, hell I am really a supporter of Korea, but really thats because I care for the best of the best. Bring in a foreigner that is as good as them and I'll happily cheer for him, thats the point everyone seems to not understand when people like Korean play.
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On April 04 2013 17:04 Micromnky wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 16:57 waylander_ wrote:On April 04 2013 16:53 Micromnky wrote:On April 04 2013 16:47 waylander_ wrote:On April 04 2013 16:41 Micromnky wrote:On April 04 2013 16:38 waylander_ wrote:On April 04 2013 16:00 archonOOid wrote:
Why can't they just move? No that hard really. It seems to me that there will be more money in the making abroad from a Korean perspective with WCS EU/NA spots + all the regular (non WCS) tournaments that are located outside Korea. Move to someplace you don't speak the language, that has shit food, ugly women, and bad ping to Korea? It's not as easy as you make it man. It's unfair-- Koreans are being punished just for being Koreans. How the hell are they being punished? They aren't entitled to shit. Theres a reason why its Regional, with those regions being KR, NA, EU. Except that no other region in the world is as good as Korean B teamers. Was it fair that foreigners got direct seeds into the MLG winter "Championship" by playing in 'regional' qualifiers, beating players like Fenix and complete no name foreigners? Was the first round not the one of the most atrocious things ever displayed in SC2? http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2013_MLG_Winter_Championship#BracketKoreans are being punished for being more talented and working harder? Complete bullshit. I hope this whole disaster doesn't come to fruition. "Incontrol vs TT1, live, winner to the season finals where Code S Koreans who had a path 10,000x harder than them await" How can you quantifyably prove that these apparent legions of Korean 'B-teamers' are 100% with-out a doubt better than players from the rest of the world? It was fair that people who are from a certain region, proved they were the best from the region, and got a seed for it. Thats why its a REGIONAL qualifier. You have got to be kidding dude. Go watch the coverage of the Code A qualifiers on the 10th. Any one of those Koreans would be by far the best foreigner in the world. Guess how many foreigners ever have made it through the Code A qualifiers? Oh right, 0.. same chance any foreigner wins any WCS finals. You still cant grasp the concept of a WORLD Championship Series. With REGIONAL qualifiers. Besides, if these Korean B-teamers couldnt get past their countrymen in the Korean qualifiers, then wouldn't it be logical to assume that they wouldn't win the Finals anyway, so why do they need to be there? You don't give a shit about any scene other than the Korean one. Because apparently theyre the only ones capable of even progressing to a high level. Then enjoy watching GSL, ignore the other Regional tournaments, and go on your way. WCS is set up the way it is to help build each region. If this was really that big of an injustice to koreans, then why arent you lobbying to give koreans better seeds in ESL too? Europeans cant beat Koreans apparently, because theyre foreigners, afterall, so why not just seed a ton of koreans there too? Oh wait, because its the EUROPEAN Starleague.
That Koreans still utterly dominate... what's your point exactly?
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Sorry to say but sometimes i think American's speak without using their brain.
Not bashing region or targeting specifically on them but sometimes or even in real life those i meet are BM and speak without using their brain.
Make them real chobo.
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How does OSL work? Would the non-Code S players be able to at least participate in that season of WCS (although I guess they wouldn't stand a chance at getting enough points to be significant if they only participate in one season)
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On April 04 2013 17:08 Type|NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 17:04 Micromnky wrote:On April 04 2013 16:57 waylander_ wrote:On April 04 2013 16:53 Micromnky wrote:On April 04 2013 16:47 waylander_ wrote:On April 04 2013 16:41 Micromnky wrote:On April 04 2013 16:38 waylander_ wrote:On April 04 2013 16:00 archonOOid wrote:
Why can't they just move? No that hard really. It seems to me that there will be more money in the making abroad from a Korean perspective with WCS EU/NA spots + all the regular (non WCS) tournaments that are located outside Korea. Move to someplace you don't speak the language, that has shit food, ugly women, and bad ping to Korea? It's not as easy as you make it man. It's unfair-- Koreans are being punished just for being Koreans. How the hell are they being punished? They aren't entitled to shit. Theres a reason why its Regional, with those regions being KR, NA, EU. Except that no other region in the world is as good as Korean B teamers. Was it fair that foreigners got direct seeds into the MLG winter "Championship" by playing in 'regional' qualifiers, beating players like Fenix and complete no name foreigners? Was the first round not the one of the most atrocious things ever displayed in SC2? http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2013_MLG_Winter_Championship#BracketKoreans are being punished for being more talented and working harder? Complete bullshit. I hope this whole disaster doesn't come to fruition. "Incontrol vs TT1, live, winner to the season finals where Code S Koreans who had a path 10,000x harder than them await" How can you quantifyably prove that these apparent legions of Korean 'B-teamers' are 100% with-out a doubt better than players from the rest of the world? It was fair that people who are from a certain region, proved they were the best from the region, and got a seed for it. Thats why its a REGIONAL qualifier. You have got to be kidding dude. Go watch the coverage of the Code A qualifiers on the 10th. Any one of those Koreans would be by far the best foreigner in the world. Guess how many foreigners ever have made it through the Code A qualifiers? Oh right, 0.. same chance any foreigner wins any WCS finals. You still cant grasp the concept of a WORLD Championship Series. With REGIONAL qualifiers. Besides, if these Korean B-teamers couldnt get past their countrymen in the Korean qualifiers, then wouldn't it be logical to assume that they wouldn't win the Finals anyway, so why do they need to be there? You don't give a shit about any scene other than the Korean one. Because apparently theyre the only ones capable of even progressing to a high level. Then enjoy watching GSL, ignore the other Regional tournaments, and go on your way. WCS is set up the way it is to help build each region. If this was really that big of an injustice to koreans, then why arent you lobbying to give koreans better seeds in ESL too? Europeans cant beat Koreans apparently, because theyre foreigners, afterall, so why not just seed a ton of koreans there too? Oh wait, because its the EUROPEAN Starleague. You point out that those Korean B-Teamers don't need to be at the WCS World Finals because they have no chance in winning anyways. He is saying that even those Code B Koreans are far superior to any NA/EU player and are worthy of the grand finals. With the decision to make the current Code S the qualifiers, you take all chances from them to even proof they could potentially be there. Also; if the Code B Koreans don't deserve to be there / no need for them to be there because they cannot win against the Code S Koreans anyway, why do you need EU/NA players there?
Im pointing out that a lot of the perceived 'injustice' to koreans who dont happen to be in Code S right at this very moment, is ridiculous. And that claiming that because you can pick out non-code s koreans that are better than most EU/NA players proves this injustice is also ridiculous. And all of this is stemming from the fact that Blizzard threw out a big prize pool number.
Is it really that scandalous that a new Regional series, gave out its initial regional seeds, based on the results of the last largest tournament held in that region? They didnt seed current Code S players directly into the WCS World Finals.
Furthermore, claiming that players from NA/EU shouldn't get their own region specific qualifiers because theres some players in the other region that can beat them is silly. From the announcements themselves, they even said that for the EU and NA tournaments, they are going to be seeding the top 32 players from 2012 tournament results. I'll say it again. If there was a large, region based tournament, like GSL, in NA and EU, they probably would've used the top 32 finishers in those, from their respective regions.
Koreans will probably sweep WCS World Finals. PLUS!...They even said, with teh bonus points available from MLG, DH, IEM, and other tournaments, theres a good chance, Koreans could sweep ALL spots in the WORLD finals anyway.
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On April 04 2013 17:15 Kim Hyuna wrote:
Sorry to say but sometimes i think American's speak without using their brain.
Not bashing region or targeting specifically on them but sometimes or even in real life those i meet are BM and speak without using their brain.
Make them real chobo.
Sorry to say but sometimes I think that non-Americans speak without using their brain.
Not bashing region or targeting specific people, but sometimes, even in real life, those I meet are BM and speak before thinking.
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On April 04 2013 17:03 BrassMonkey27 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 16:11 Hikari wrote:
I really do not get why there is a need to "preserve" "foreigners" in WCS by artificially creating the various divisions, with the Korean one being most likely a death zone.
Why do people want to see "white dudes" so much? Is it because they are non-asian? Is that not just down right discriminatory?
Koreans are not natrually borned as elite progamers with superior genetics (unlike sports where African origins tend to have stronger muscles I believe). They are good at it because they practice hard and sacrificed a lot behind the scenes. Why should those people be penalized by being part of a more difficult group?
Sure, the Koreans can participate in the NA/EU divisions, but that forces them to leave their home... it is not something suitable for everyone, or even financially possible for the not-as-well-off Korean teams. Leaving to another country especially when you struggle with the basics of the local tongue is quite a challenging task (thankfully most people here are fluent in English which can be used to limited degrees around the world, but good luck trying to find someone who knows Korean outside of Korea...).
Instead of giving the "foreigners" the advantage of choosing relatively easy divisions, those who wish to see their foreign representatives represent their region should encourage them to get even better. Koreans have won a ton of foreign cash and fame that Blizzard clearly feels is "killing" the game to some degree.. At least a significant enough degree to merit changes such as the ones being implemented. I imagine Blizzard's main goal is to grow starcraft 2 in all regions and they have presumably done a lot of research before committing to this degree of support, monetary or otherwise. They clearly feel having a certain type of "regional discouragment" will help grow the game in every region. It will be interesting to see if this venture will work out as planned, but personally I think its worth a shot.. Especially as an attempt to save a stagnant North American competitive scene.
Then making yet another top heavy "global" tournament imo is not the solution.
Smaller cups (common among european scene), team leagues (where the top x players does not keep the majority of the prize pool as the cash can be spread among the team), invitational cups, etc might be better off in growing the scene. But then... last I checked, the Korean teams and players are the ones who are financially struggling (if your team isn't LG-IM), not the well oiled foreign teams.
A lot of current sc2 powerhouses are once upon a time team B'ers or even new comers. So its not like it is impossible for foreigners to catch up. Foreign gamers seem to be stuck in this downward spiral of:
perform poorly -> less incentive -> less practice -> perform poorly
I think being a foreigner right now has a lot of advantages: it is easy to establish a fan base if you demonstrate good performance against the Koreans ("the new foreigner hope!" what an honor to shoulder the hopes and dreams of so many people in the world!"): that enough should be a good motivational boost.
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On April 04 2013 17:22 Micromnky wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 17:15 Kim Hyuna wrote:
Sorry to say but sometimes i think American's speak without using their brain.
Not bashing region or targeting specifically on them but sometimes or even in real life those i meet are BM and speak without using their brain.
Make them real chobo. Sorry to say but sometimes I think that non-Americans speak without using their brain. Not bashing region or targeting specific people, but sometimes, even in real life, those I meet are BM and speak before thinking.
you see? real chobo.
all bm. same as NA servers all bm but no skill.
gg try harder next time ^^
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Katowice25012 Posts
Both of you stop it holy shit.
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On April 04 2013 17:22 Hikari wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 17:03 BrassMonkey27 wrote:On April 04 2013 16:11 Hikari wrote:
I really do not get why there is a need to "preserve" "foreigners" in WCS by artificially creating the various divisions, with the Korean one being most likely a death zone.
Why do people want to see "white dudes" so much? Is it because they are non-asian? Is that not just down right discriminatory?
Koreans are not natrually borned as elite progamers with superior genetics (unlike sports where African origins tend to have stronger muscles I believe). They are good at it because they practice hard and sacrificed a lot behind the scenes. Why should those people be penalized by being part of a more difficult group?
Sure, the Koreans can participate in the NA/EU divisions, but that forces them to leave their home... it is not something suitable for everyone, or even financially possible for the not-as-well-off Korean teams. Leaving to another country especially when you struggle with the basics of the local tongue is quite a challenging task (thankfully most people here are fluent in English which can be used to limited degrees around the world, but good luck trying to find someone who knows Korean outside of Korea...).
Instead of giving the "foreigners" the advantage of choosing relatively easy divisions, those who wish to see their foreign representatives represent their region should encourage them to get even better. Koreans have won a ton of foreign cash and fame that Blizzard clearly feels is "killing" the game to some degree.. At least a significant enough degree to merit changes such as the ones being implemented. I imagine Blizzard's main goal is to grow starcraft 2 in all regions and they have presumably done a lot of research before committing to this degree of support, monetary or otherwise. They clearly feel having a certain type of "regional discouragment" will help grow the game in every region. It will be interesting to see if this venture will work out as planned, but personally I think its worth a shot.. Especially as an attempt to save a stagnant North American competitive scene. Then making yet another top heavy "global" tournament imo is not the solution. Smaller cups (common among european scene), team leagues (where the top x players does not keep the majority of the prize pool as the cash can be spread among the team), invitational cups, etc might be better off in growing the scene. But then... last I checked, the Korean teams and players are the ones who are financially struggling (if your team isn't LG-IM), not the well oiled foreign teams. A lot of current sc2 powerhouses are once upon a time team B'ers or even new comers. So its not like it is impossible for foreigners to catch up. Foreign gamers seem to be stuck in this downward spiral of: perform poorly -> less incentive -> less practice -> perform poorly I think being a foreigner right now has a lot of advantages: it is easy to establish a fan base if you demonstrate good performance against the Koreans ("the new foreigner hope!" what an honor to shoulder the hopes and dreams of so many people in the world!"): that enough should be a good motivational boost.
Every time i see "the new foreigner hope" coming from a fan base i ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ!!
End up all gg pack bag go home.
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On April 04 2013 17:23 Kim Hyuna wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 17:22 Micromnky wrote:On April 04 2013 17:15 Kim Hyuna wrote:
Sorry to say but sometimes i think American's speak without using their brain.
Not bashing region or targeting specifically on them but sometimes or even in real life those i meet are BM and speak without using their brain.
Make them real chobo. Sorry to say but sometimes I think that non-Americans speak without using their brain. Not bashing region or targeting specific people, but sometimes, even in real life, those I meet are BM and speak before thinking. you see? real chobo. all bm. same as NA servers all bm but no skill. gg try harder next time ^^
Or how about you don't dismiss someone who has a different opinion as yours, as less intelligent, merely because they were born in a different place than you were.
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EPT
