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On April 04 2013 17:24 heyoka wrote:
Both of you stop it holy shit.
Okay i stop GG. ^^
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This degenerated into a koreans/best vs. foreigners/suck rather quickly...
To clarify, the issue at hand is more about the lack of WCS Asia representation outside of the current GSL format. There should be more than one avenue into the WCS than the one current tournament. Blizzard should have open bracket bi-weekly tours with a 5k or so USD cash prize in which the person with the most points get one (or two) of the five spots of that season. Solves the problem...
PS. Whatever happened to competing for the competitions sake and love of the game? In that regard, I salute both Sase and Naniwa!
Edit: Yay! 420 ^_^
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On April 04 2013 17:01 mongmong wrote:
edit: even artosis stated on sotg(about a year and half ago i think) that there are plenty of players in code bwho could potentially win Code S.
Definitely true; we've even seen it happen a few times.
I remember when DRG had that interview on TL way back when he was still in Code B (Letters from Korea or something?). I think that's when they were discussing him on SotG and Idra even said he was legit. This was all back before he finally made it in the GSTL, then GSL proper to show everyone how good he was.
Does Diamond still run the ESV weeklies? I remember you could watch those and see all sorts of future stars in that - Jjakji, Taeja, Life all made names for themselves in those weeklies before they could get out of Code B too.
So the point is: these guys all struggled mightily to get through Code B even though they were very good players. They didn't just decide one day to put all their effort into SC2 and made the leap into Code S (I guess Life sorta did with the Zenex-ST merger).
The GSL qualifiers are brutal; part of the reason you get random dark horses doing great in foreign tournaments is because people don't go to *every* foreign tournament. But that's pretty much what happens in GSL; the same cast of characters show up for *every* Code A qualifier, it's just too crowded each season and it's more of a lottery than a qualifier (like when that random master's player only beat one player to get into Code A).
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On April 04 2013 17:23 Kim Hyuna wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 17:22 Micromnky wrote:On April 04 2013 17:15 Kim Hyuna wrote:
Sorry to say but sometimes i think American's speak without using their brain.
Not bashing region or targeting specifically on them but sometimes or even in real life those i meet are BM and speak without using their brain.
Make them real chobo. Sorry to say but sometimes I think that non-Americans speak without using their brain. Not bashing region or targeting specific people, but sometimes, even in real life, those I meet are BM and speak before thinking. you see? real chobo. all bm. same as NA servers all bm but no skill. gg try harder next time ^^
First off ; check your PM. Second; you should watch your tone. Even if you feel offended and disagree with a posters opinion and even if he uses stupid accusations, you shouldn't be using them. Especially because you have a very low post count and it only gets you banned. Just a headsup.
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We should look at this from someone like MVP's pov. He wants to win more GSL titles but also would want to actually qualify for the WCS. He could either have gone to another region to have a better chance of making WCS or stay to try and win more GSLs but might not make WCS.
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On April 04 2013 17:27 Aphasie wrote:
This degenerated into a koreans/best vs. foreigners/suck rather quickly...
To clarify, the issue at hand is more about the lack of WCS Asia representation outside of the current GSL format. There should be more than one avenue into the WCS than the one current tournament. Blizzard should have open bracket bi-weekly tours with a 5k or so USD cash prize in which the person with the most points get one (or two) of the five spots of that season. Solves the problem...
PS. Whatever happened to competing for the competitions sake and love of the game? In that regard, I salute both Sase and Naniwa!
This is actually a great idea. The reason all the Korean dailies/weeklies are gone is because they weren't financially sustainable because there weren't many people willing to watch these mostly Code B/Code A players duke it out, even though it's these same tournaments that foreshadowed the ascent of TaeJa and Life. But with them being funded by Blizzard, this would no longer be an issue. Blizzard have a better tournament format, lesser known Koreans have a better shot at qualifying (at least it's there), Korean scene gets more money and a bit more exposure (since the content should be streamed for whoever's interested).
But knowing Blizzard, they'll either not implement it or wait until it's too late... ._.
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he is right though, this playing overseas complete defeats the purpose of having representation of all continents. Either force nationality/living in other countries or just make it a global qualification.
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On April 04 2013 17:27 Type|NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 17:23 Kim Hyuna wrote:On April 04 2013 17:22 Micromnky wrote:On April 04 2013 17:15 Kim Hyuna wrote:
Sorry to say but sometimes i think American's speak without using their brain.
Not bashing region or targeting specifically on them but sometimes or even in real life those i meet are BM and speak without using their brain.
Make them real chobo. Sorry to say but sometimes I think that non-Americans speak without using their brain. Not bashing region or targeting specific people, but sometimes, even in real life, those I meet are BM and speak before thinking. you see? real chobo. all bm. same as NA servers all bm but no skill. gg try harder next time ^^ First off ; check your PM. Second; you should watch your tone. Even if you feel offended and disagree with a posters opinion and even if he uses stupid accusations, you shouldn't be using them. Especially because you have a very low post count and it only gets you banned. Just a headsup.
안녕!~ i got it thank you ^^
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On April 04 2013 17:31 Markwerf wrote:
he is right though, this playing overseas complete defeats the purpose of having representation of all continents. Either force nationality/living in other countries or just make it a global qualification.
Exactly. I want to see several stable regional leagues. The fact that they all culminate into a bigger final makes it just that much better. I really think that if NA and EU had GSL/OSL/MSL style leagues (on-going, STABLE, cut-throat) for as long as the Koreans, it would be a much more globally balanced field.
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On April 04 2013 17:13 waylander_ wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 17:04 Micromnky wrote:On April 04 2013 16:57 waylander_ wrote:On April 04 2013 16:53 Micromnky wrote:On April 04 2013 16:47 waylander_ wrote:On April 04 2013 16:41 Micromnky wrote:On April 04 2013 16:38 waylander_ wrote:On April 04 2013 16:00 archonOOid wrote:
Why can't they just move? No that hard really. It seems to me that there will be more money in the making abroad from a Korean perspective with WCS EU/NA spots + all the regular (non WCS) tournaments that are located outside Korea. Move to someplace you don't speak the language, that has shit food, ugly women, and bad ping to Korea? It's not as easy as you make it man. It's unfair-- Koreans are being punished just for being Koreans. How the hell are they being punished? They aren't entitled to shit. Theres a reason why its Regional, with those regions being KR, NA, EU. Except that no other region in the world is as good as Korean B teamers. Was it fair that foreigners got direct seeds into the MLG winter "Championship" by playing in 'regional' qualifiers, beating players like Fenix and complete no name foreigners? Was the first round not the one of the most atrocious things ever displayed in SC2? http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2013_MLG_Winter_Championship#BracketKoreans are being punished for being more talented and working harder? Complete bullshit. I hope this whole disaster doesn't come to fruition. "Incontrol vs TT1, live, winner to the season finals where Code S Koreans who had a path 10,000x harder than them await" How can you quantifyably prove that these apparent legions of Korean 'B-teamers' are 100% with-out a doubt better than players from the rest of the world? It was fair that people who are from a certain region, proved they were the best from the region, and got a seed for it. Thats why its a REGIONAL qualifier. You have got to be kidding dude. Go watch the coverage of the Code A qualifiers on the 10th. Any one of those Koreans would be by far the best foreigner in the world. Guess how many foreigners ever have made it through the Code A qualifiers? Oh right, 0.. same chance any foreigner wins any WCS finals. You still cant grasp the concept of a WORLD Championship Series. With REGIONAL qualifiers. Besides, if these Korean B-teamers couldnt get past their countrymen in the Korean qualifiers, then wouldn't it be logical to assume that they wouldn't win the Finals anyway, so why do they need to be there? You don't give a shit about any scene other than the Korean one. Because apparently theyre the only ones capable of even progressing to a high level. Then enjoy watching GSL, ignore the other Regional tournaments, and go on your way. WCS is set up the way it is to help build each region. If this was really that big of an injustice to koreans, then why arent you lobbying to give koreans better seeds in ESL too? Europeans cant beat Koreans apparently, because theyre foreigners, afterall, so why not just seed a ton of koreans there too? Oh wait, because its the EUROPEAN Starleague. That Koreans still utterly dominate... what's your point exactly?
He is bitter cause there is no other scene that matters except the KR one. His bitterness level is gonna over 9000 in 2013 if the slaughter of foreigners at premier tournaments continues.
OT: Scarlett Vibe Idra Major got the same amount of money as Rain Parting Hero_TL Hero_CJ from the qualifiers in 2012. I feel that money would be better spend ELSEWHERE. There is no point in pumping money in the foreign scene, the level of play will not be rising. (The difference in skill is just too huge, you cant compare sc2 to soccer anymore IMO, where are many countries around the globe who can compete in the World Cup. Sc2 has past table tennis at this point and is becoming basketball.)
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They honestly never should have incoperated the GSL in the WCS. Do 1 GSL less/year but make its completely own thing.
If you are code B you need to and qualify for code A and getting through to just have a chance to the WCS korea.
With this system the Korean qualifiers will be harder then the main tournament.
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On April 04 2013 17:37 gingerfluffmuff wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 17:13 waylander_ wrote:On April 04 2013 17:04 Micromnky wrote:On April 04 2013 16:57 waylander_ wrote:On April 04 2013 16:53 Micromnky wrote:On April 04 2013 16:47 waylander_ wrote:On April 04 2013 16:41 Micromnky wrote:On April 04 2013 16:38 waylander_ wrote:On April 04 2013 16:00 archonOOid wrote:
Why can't they just move? No that hard really. It seems to me that there will be more money in the making abroad from a Korean perspective with WCS EU/NA spots + all the regular (non WCS) tournaments that are located outside Korea. Move to someplace you don't speak the language, that has shit food, ugly women, and bad ping to Korea? It's not as easy as you make it man. It's unfair-- Koreans are being punished just for being Koreans. How the hell are they being punished? They aren't entitled to shit. Theres a reason why its Regional, with those regions being KR, NA, EU. Except that no other region in the world is as good as Korean B teamers. Was it fair that foreigners got direct seeds into the MLG winter "Championship" by playing in 'regional' qualifiers, beating players like Fenix and complete no name foreigners? Was the first round not the one of the most atrocious things ever displayed in SC2? http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2013_MLG_Winter_Championship#BracketKoreans are being punished for being more talented and working harder? Complete bullshit. I hope this whole disaster doesn't come to fruition. "Incontrol vs TT1, live, winner to the season finals where Code S Koreans who had a path 10,000x harder than them await" How can you quantifyably prove that these apparent legions of Korean 'B-teamers' are 100% with-out a doubt better than players from the rest of the world? It was fair that people who are from a certain region, proved they were the best from the region, and got a seed for it. Thats why its a REGIONAL qualifier. You have got to be kidding dude. Go watch the coverage of the Code A qualifiers on the 10th. Any one of those Koreans would be by far the best foreigner in the world. Guess how many foreigners ever have made it through the Code A qualifiers? Oh right, 0.. same chance any foreigner wins any WCS finals. You still cant grasp the concept of a WORLD Championship Series. With REGIONAL qualifiers. Besides, if these Korean B-teamers couldnt get past their countrymen in the Korean qualifiers, then wouldn't it be logical to assume that they wouldn't win the Finals anyway, so why do they need to be there? You don't give a shit about any scene other than the Korean one. Because apparently theyre the only ones capable of even progressing to a high level. Then enjoy watching GSL, ignore the other Regional tournaments, and go on your way. WCS is set up the way it is to help build each region. If this was really that big of an injustice to koreans, then why arent you lobbying to give koreans better seeds in ESL too? Europeans cant beat Koreans apparently, because theyre foreigners, afterall, so why not just seed a ton of koreans there too? Oh wait, because its the EUROPEAN Starleague. That Koreans still utterly dominate... what's your point exactly? He is bitter cause there is no other scene that matters except the KR one. His bitterness level is gonna over 9000 in 2013 if the slaughter of foreigners at premier tournaments continues.OT: Scarlett Vibe Idra Major got the same amount of money as Rain Parting Hero_TL Hero_CJ from the qualifiers in 2012. I feel that money would be better spend ELSEWHERE. There is no point in pumping money in the foreign scene, the level of play will not be rising. (The difference in skill is just too huge, you cant compare sc2 to soccer anymore IMO, where are many countries around the globe who can compete in the World Cup. Sc2 has past table tennis at this point and is becoming basketball.)
Uh, not really...I watch GSL just as much as I watch other leagues. Im not anti-korean, or anything silly.
I just want NA and EU to have a stable regional league, much like Korea has. I think that if that happens, the quality and quantity of players from those regions will rise, and the global scene will be better for it.
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lol.. this is great at giving other regions a shot at the money. i get that koreans are the best but lets see the best of korea vs the rest of the regions instead of koreans just stomping.
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On April 04 2013 14:20 Mauldo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 13:23 waylander_ wrote:On April 04 2013 13:17 Serpico wrote:On April 04 2013 13:14 lichter wrote:On April 04 2013 13:06 LimitSEA wrote:On April 04 2013 12:58 lichter wrote:
Like I've said, I only care about Korean leagues so I am still on the fence (leaning towards upset) about WCS. I couldn't care less about NA/EU. Agreed. Either we'll see top tier Koreans leave GSL to compete internationally, or we'll see top tier Koreans get shafted for WCS. The Korean WCS is going to be brutal, so that will be great to watch. But the competition afterwards, involving all three areas won't be nearly as good I feel. I'd rather watch B teamers than NA/EU players -_-'' What I am more concerned about is players actually getting paid and having an opportunity in WCS. The only way to make it work for me is to EXPAND GSL. With how many great players there are, Code S Ro64 would still be as stacked and difficult as the Ro32 we have now. With the sponsorship money they already had and the Blizzbucks they could do it. Expand Code A as well. I think this would help solve the problem MC mentions. With a larger Code S/A pool of players, those left in Code B will truly be B teamers, with greater incentive to play in NA/EU. A larger Code S/A, and then mass B team migration dominating NA/EU... that would be my ideal situation. So just a bunch of faceless Korean B teamers actually winning in NA/EU, alienating two huge markets would be good? "Faceless" is just your opinion. Watching Demuslim play 2v2s and 4v4s and losing to random players on NA ladder seems less appealing to me than Apocalypse grinding game after game in KR master's league. "Faceless" isn't just his opinion. Viewership numbers have historically plummeted for Korean/Korean games when compared to Foreigner/Foreigner or Foreigner/Korean games. Give us a tournament where the Top 8 is Korean (and obviously isn't GSL/Proleague) and viewer numbers plummet. I mean, look at the streams on the side. Just a few hours ago Demuslim had how many thousands of viewers? Liquid'Hero had 600 max. And even right now, midnight Central Standard Time, Suppy as 1069 viewers, Catz has 501, Leiya 1128, and then Cella with 333 and Hwangsin at 203. And that spread, no matter how you want to twist it, has been typical from the start. The numbers don't back you up man, sorry. WCS is literally tying its own noose by not enforcing residency as a requirement for the region lock. WCS NA isn't WCS NA if, you know, there aren't any North Americans playing in it.
Viewership numbers on streams are not the best point to make simply because people spend more of their time chatting it up with the other viewers, not caring about the games (unless streamer decides to do something like take strategy requests or something along those lines).
You see 10k people "watching" stephano or idra's stream but how many of those people actually care about the content that being provided? And what's the competition, really? Can you tell me that if LG-IM MVP or SKT.RAIN or (insert any of the current ro32 Code S players) streamed as regularly or even at all that the viewership wouldn't be drastically different for foreign streamers?
edit: MVP isn't currently Code S, but hopefully my point is still clear.
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On April 04 2013 17:37 gingerfluffmuff wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 17:13 waylander_ wrote:On April 04 2013 17:04 Micromnky wrote:On April 04 2013 16:57 waylander_ wrote:On April 04 2013 16:53 Micromnky wrote:On April 04 2013 16:47 waylander_ wrote:On April 04 2013 16:41 Micromnky wrote:On April 04 2013 16:38 waylander_ wrote:On April 04 2013 16:00 archonOOid wrote:
Why can't they just move? No that hard really. It seems to me that there will be more money in the making abroad from a Korean perspective with WCS EU/NA spots + all the regular (non WCS) tournaments that are located outside Korea. Move to someplace you don't speak the language, that has shit food, ugly women, and bad ping to Korea? It's not as easy as you make it man. It's unfair-- Koreans are being punished just for being Koreans. How the hell are they being punished? They aren't entitled to shit. Theres a reason why its Regional, with those regions being KR, NA, EU. Except that no other region in the world is as good as Korean B teamers. Was it fair that foreigners got direct seeds into the MLG winter "Championship" by playing in 'regional' qualifiers, beating players like Fenix and complete no name foreigners? Was the first round not the one of the most atrocious things ever displayed in SC2? http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2013_MLG_Winter_Championship#BracketKoreans are being punished for being more talented and working harder? Complete bullshit. I hope this whole disaster doesn't come to fruition. "Incontrol vs TT1, live, winner to the season finals where Code S Koreans who had a path 10,000x harder than them await" How can you quantifyably prove that these apparent legions of Korean 'B-teamers' are 100% with-out a doubt better than players from the rest of the world? It was fair that people who are from a certain region, proved they were the best from the region, and got a seed for it. Thats why its a REGIONAL qualifier. You have got to be kidding dude. Go watch the coverage of the Code A qualifiers on the 10th. Any one of those Koreans would be by far the best foreigner in the world. Guess how many foreigners ever have made it through the Code A qualifiers? Oh right, 0.. same chance any foreigner wins any WCS finals. You still cant grasp the concept of a WORLD Championship Series. With REGIONAL qualifiers. Besides, if these Korean B-teamers couldnt get past their countrymen in the Korean qualifiers, then wouldn't it be logical to assume that they wouldn't win the Finals anyway, so why do they need to be there? You don't give a shit about any scene other than the Korean one. Because apparently theyre the only ones capable of even progressing to a high level. Then enjoy watching GSL, ignore the other Regional tournaments, and go on your way. WCS is set up the way it is to help build each region. If this was really that big of an injustice to koreans, then why arent you lobbying to give koreans better seeds in ESL too? Europeans cant beat Koreans apparently, because theyre foreigners, afterall, so why not just seed a ton of koreans there too? Oh wait, because its the EUROPEAN Starleague. That Koreans still utterly dominate... what's your point exactly? He is bitter cause there is no other scene that matters except the KR one. His bitterness level is gonna over 9000 in 2013 if the slaughter of foreigners at premier tournaments continues. OT: Scarlett Vibe Idra Major got the same amount of money as Rain Parting Hero_TL Hero_CJ from the qualifiers in 2012. I feel that money would be better spend ELSEWHERE. There is no point in pumping money in the foreign scene, the level of play will not be rising. (The difference in skill is just too huge, you cant compare sc2 to soccer anymore IMO, where are many countries around the globe who can compete in the World Cup. Sc2 has past table tennis at this point and is becoming basketball.)
You know why Major insisted on join a KR team? That is because only by playing and training with the best will improve his skill set and mechanics of Starcraft. Trust me, give him another year, he will eat sleep breath Starcraft and dominate like the rest of the KR programers.
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Was always a fan of Naniwa for his mindset to be the best, rather than hunting money.
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On April 04 2013 17:42 Micromnky wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 17:37 gingerfluffmuff wrote:On April 04 2013 17:13 waylander_ wrote:On April 04 2013 17:04 Micromnky wrote:On April 04 2013 16:57 waylander_ wrote:On April 04 2013 16:53 Micromnky wrote:On April 04 2013 16:47 waylander_ wrote:On April 04 2013 16:41 Micromnky wrote:On April 04 2013 16:38 waylander_ wrote:On April 04 2013 16:00 archonOOid wrote:
Why can't they just move? No that hard really. It seems to me that there will be more money in the making abroad from a Korean perspective with WCS EU/NA spots + all the regular (non WCS) tournaments that are located outside Korea. Move to someplace you don't speak the language, that has shit food, ugly women, and bad ping to Korea? It's not as easy as you make it man. It's unfair-- Koreans are being punished just for being Koreans. How the hell are they being punished? They aren't entitled to shit. Theres a reason why its Regional, with those regions being KR, NA, EU. Except that no other region in the world is as good as Korean B teamers. Was it fair that foreigners got direct seeds into the MLG winter "Championship" by playing in 'regional' qualifiers, beating players like Fenix and complete no name foreigners? Was the first round not the one of the most atrocious things ever displayed in SC2? http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2013_MLG_Winter_Championship#BracketKoreans are being punished for being more talented and working harder? Complete bullshit. I hope this whole disaster doesn't come to fruition. "Incontrol vs TT1, live, winner to the season finals where Code S Koreans who had a path 10,000x harder than them await" How can you quantifyably prove that these apparent legions of Korean 'B-teamers' are 100% with-out a doubt better than players from the rest of the world? It was fair that people who are from a certain region, proved they were the best from the region, and got a seed for it. Thats why its a REGIONAL qualifier. You have got to be kidding dude. Go watch the coverage of the Code A qualifiers on the 10th. Any one of those Koreans would be by far the best foreigner in the world. Guess how many foreigners ever have made it through the Code A qualifiers? Oh right, 0.. same chance any foreigner wins any WCS finals. You still cant grasp the concept of a WORLD Championship Series. With REGIONAL qualifiers. Besides, if these Korean B-teamers couldnt get past their countrymen in the Korean qualifiers, then wouldn't it be logical to assume that they wouldn't win the Finals anyway, so why do they need to be there? You don't give a shit about any scene other than the Korean one. Because apparently theyre the only ones capable of even progressing to a high level. Then enjoy watching GSL, ignore the other Regional tournaments, and go on your way. WCS is set up the way it is to help build each region. If this was really that big of an injustice to koreans, then why arent you lobbying to give koreans better seeds in ESL too? Europeans cant beat Koreans apparently, because theyre foreigners, afterall, so why not just seed a ton of koreans there too? Oh wait, because its the EUROPEAN Starleague. That Koreans still utterly dominate... what's your point exactly? He is bitter cause there is no other scene that matters except the KR one. His bitterness level is gonna over 9000 in 2013 if the slaughter of foreigners at premier tournaments continues.OT: Scarlett Vibe Idra Major got the same amount of money as Rain Parting Hero_TL Hero_CJ from the qualifiers in 2012. I feel that money would be better spend ELSEWHERE. There is no point in pumping money in the foreign scene, the level of play will not be rising. (The difference in skill is just too huge, you cant compare sc2 to soccer anymore IMO, where are many countries around the globe who can compete in the World Cup. Sc2 has past table tennis at this point and is becoming basketball.) Uh, not really...I watch GSL just as much as I watch other leagues. Im not anti-korean, or anything silly. I just want NA and EU to have a stable regional league, much like Korea has. I think that if that happens, the quality and quantity of players from those regions will rise, and the global scene will be better for it.
Then why can't they just have little pointless leagues with foreigners duking it out with eachother and getting lots of views? Why subject Koreans to the farce?
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On April 04 2013 17:48 waylander_ wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 17:42 Micromnky wrote:On April 04 2013 17:37 gingerfluffmuff wrote:On April 04 2013 17:13 waylander_ wrote:On April 04 2013 17:04 Micromnky wrote:On April 04 2013 16:57 waylander_ wrote:On April 04 2013 16:53 Micromnky wrote:On April 04 2013 16:47 waylander_ wrote:On April 04 2013 16:41 Micromnky wrote:On April 04 2013 16:38 waylander_ wrote:
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Move to someplace you don't speak the language, that has shit food, ugly women, and bad ping to Korea? It's not as easy as you make it man. It's unfair-- Koreans are being punished just for being Koreans. How the hell are they being punished? They aren't entitled to shit. Theres a reason why its Regional, with those regions being KR, NA, EU. Except that no other region in the world is as good as Korean B teamers. Was it fair that foreigners got direct seeds into the MLG winter "Championship" by playing in 'regional' qualifiers, beating players like Fenix and complete no name foreigners? Was the first round not the one of the most atrocious things ever displayed in SC2? http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2013_MLG_Winter_Championship#BracketKoreans are being punished for being more talented and working harder? Complete bullshit. I hope this whole disaster doesn't come to fruition. "Incontrol vs TT1, live, winner to the season finals where Code S Koreans who had a path 10,000x harder than them await" How can you quantifyably prove that these apparent legions of Korean 'B-teamers' are 100% with-out a doubt better than players from the rest of the world? It was fair that people who are from a certain region, proved they were the best from the region, and got a seed for it. Thats why its a REGIONAL qualifier. You have got to be kidding dude. Go watch the coverage of the Code A qualifiers on the 10th. Any one of those Koreans would be by far the best foreigner in the world. Guess how many foreigners ever have made it through the Code A qualifiers? Oh right, 0.. same chance any foreigner wins any WCS finals. You still cant grasp the concept of a WORLD Championship Series. With REGIONAL qualifiers. Besides, if these Korean B-teamers couldnt get past their countrymen in the Korean qualifiers, then wouldn't it be logical to assume that they wouldn't win the Finals anyway, so why do they need to be there? You don't give a shit about any scene other than the Korean one. Because apparently theyre the only ones capable of even progressing to a high level. Then enjoy watching GSL, ignore the other Regional tournaments, and go on your way. WCS is set up the way it is to help build each region. If this was really that big of an injustice to koreans, then why arent you lobbying to give koreans better seeds in ESL too? Europeans cant beat Koreans apparently, because theyre foreigners, afterall, so why not just seed a ton of koreans there too? Oh wait, because its the EUROPEAN Starleague. That Koreans still utterly dominate... what's your point exactly? He is bitter cause there is no other scene that matters except the KR one. His bitterness level is gonna over 9000 in 2013 if the slaughter of foreigners at premier tournaments continues.OT: Scarlett Vibe Idra Major got the same amount of money as Rain Parting Hero_TL Hero_CJ from the qualifiers in 2012. I feel that money would be better spend ELSEWHERE. There is no point in pumping money in the foreign scene, the level of play will not be rising. (The difference in skill is just too huge, you cant compare sc2 to soccer anymore IMO, where are many countries around the globe who can compete in the World Cup. Sc2 has past table tennis at this point and is becoming basketball.) Uh, not really...I watch GSL just as much as I watch other leagues. Im not anti-korean, or anything silly. I just want NA and EU to have a stable regional league, much like Korea has. I think that if that happens, the quality and quantity of players from those regions will rise, and the global scene will be better for it. Then why can't they just have little pointless leagues with foreigners duking it out with eachother and getting lots of views? Why subject Koreans to the farce?
...they got their own little league now.
...its called WCS North America.
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SaSe and Naniwa total nerd ballers.
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