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Zenbrez
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada5973 Posts
April 04 2013 12:58 GMT
#321
Sorry if this is stated somewhere else - does MLG become the the NA WCS? Or do they just host additional tournaments and their MLGs?
Refer to my post.
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
April 04 2013 13:05 GMT
#322
On April 04 2013 21:51 StarStruck wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2013 21:27 Noocta wrote:
On April 04 2013 17:58 eviltomahawk wrote:
On April 04 2013 17:56 MHT wrote:
Polt is literally Nostradamus.

If WCS doesn't pay off, his education at UT Austin surely will.


He's the model of career assurance in e-sport really.

If e-sport continue well, he has the level to stay one of the best player in the world. He's of the very very few marketable korean to the western audience and is generally loved. And Blizzard basically gave him his yearly paycheck already.

And if e-sport doesn't work well after a few years ?
" Well, I guess I go back at being of the elite student of my country ! Dammit ! "


You never stop learning period. Look, once you're done with your e-sports gaming and shit. That's when you can go back to school. You lose some of the best years/experience in high school surely, but you can always go back and graduate. When it comes to post secondary you will see people of all walks in life so you will still be able to get that experience.


That's the right spirit indeed.
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
alvadr
Profile Joined May 2012
135 Posts
April 04 2013 13:21 GMT
#323
On April 04 2013 17:08 Kim Hyuna wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2013 17:04 Micromnky wrote:
On April 04 2013 16:57 waylander_ wrote:
On April 04 2013 16:53 Micromnky wrote:
On April 04 2013 16:47 waylander_ wrote:
On April 04 2013 16:41 Micromnky wrote:
On April 04 2013 16:38 waylander_ wrote:
On April 04 2013 16:00 archonOOid wrote:
Why can't they just move? No that hard really. It seems to me that there will be more money in the making abroad from a Korean perspective with WCS EU/NA spots + all the regular (non WCS) tournaments that are located outside Korea.


Move to someplace you don't speak the language, that has shit food, ugly women, and bad ping to Korea? It's not as easy as you make it man. It's unfair-- Koreans are being punished just for being Koreans.


How the hell are they being punished? They aren't entitled to shit. Theres a reason why its Regional, with those regions being KR, NA, EU.



Except that no other region in the world is as good as Korean B teamers.

Was it fair that foreigners got direct seeds into the MLG winter "Championship" by playing in 'regional' qualifiers, beating players like Fenix and complete no name foreigners?

Was the first round not the one of the most atrocious things ever displayed in SC2?

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2013_MLG_Winter_Championship#Bracket


Koreans are being punished for being more talented and working harder? Complete bullshit. I hope this whole disaster doesn't come to fruition. "Incontrol vs TT1, live, winner to the season finals where Code S Koreans who had a path 10,000x harder than them await"


How can you quantifyably prove that these apparent legions of Korean 'B-teamers' are 100% with-out a doubt better than players from the rest of the world?

It was fair that people who are from a certain region, proved they were the best from the region, and got a seed for it. Thats why its a REGIONAL qualifier.



You have got to be kidding dude. Go watch the coverage of the Code A qualifiers on the 10th. Any one of those Koreans would be by far the best foreigner in the world.

Guess how many foreigners ever have made it through the Code A qualifiers? Oh right, 0.. same chance any foreigner wins any WCS finals.


You still cant grasp the concept of a WORLD Championship Series. With REGIONAL qualifiers. Besides, if these Korean B-teamers couldnt get past their countrymen in the Korean qualifiers, then wouldn't it be logical to assume that they wouldn't win the Finals anyway, so why do they need to be there?

You don't give a shit about any scene other than the Korean one. Because apparently theyre the only ones capable of even progressing to a high level. Then enjoy watching GSL, ignore the other Regional tournaments, and go on your way.

WCS is set up the way it is to help build each region.

If this was really that big of an injustice to koreans, then why arent you lobbying to give koreans better seeds in ESL too? Europeans cant beat Koreans apparently, because theyre foreigners, afterall, so why not just seed a ton of koreans there too? Oh wait, because its the EUROPEAN Starleague.


You are wrong.

FYI, MVP, MC dropped to code B before. Does that make them not good? 한국의 players all strong. Sometimes you win sometime you lose. Just like Life. Before MVP, Nestea MC era he is nothing and unheard of.

That doesn't make any Code A/B players no good. In fact, some are good but no luck during actual qualifier day.

Again, put them (those you called Code A/B players weak who can't get past any of their own countrymen) in ANY foreigners event, they will own you.




The point is that their regional qualifiers, which means that they should be played by people from that region. Not a bunch of people who just want easy money. If a regional qualifier could be played by anyone, that takes away the point of it being regional.
Spidinko
Profile Joined May 2010
Slovakia1174 Posts
April 04 2013 13:29 GMT
#324
Well I guess people who say to foreigners "Just go to Korea" are now saying the same thing in reverse to Koreans.
CrazyBirdman
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany3509 Posts
April 04 2013 13:38 GMT
#325
On April 04 2013 21:58 Zenbrez wrote:
Sorry if this is stated somewhere else - does MLG become the the NA WCS? Or do they just host additional tournaments and their MLGs?

As far as my understanding goes MLG tournaments will still happen independently. Maybe WCS will be incorporated in their big LANs though. Same with IEM I think.
Zenbrez
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada5973 Posts
April 04 2013 13:41 GMT
#326
On April 04 2013 22:38 CrazyBirdman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2013 21:58 Zenbrez wrote:
Sorry if this is stated somewhere else - does MLG become the the NA WCS? Or do they just host additional tournaments and their MLGs?

As far as my understanding goes MLG tournaments will still happen independently. Maybe WCS will be incorporated in their big LANs though. Same with IEM I think.

So they can still win all the tournaments they have been winning. I don't feel so bad for them anymore.
Refer to my post.
forsooth
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3648 Posts
April 04 2013 13:42 GMT
#327
Okay, I want to make sure I'm understanding this right. If you're in Code A or the qualifiers, that means you're already locked into Korea as your region, but you have no chance to compete for points because only Code S players get to?

If so, I can understand why a MC is mad.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
April 04 2013 13:53 GMT
#328
It's unfortunate for the current code a & b players but IMO, blizzard did what's best in the long run for esports and the spectators. From a spectator standpoint it's much better for GSL and OSL to have implications for a year-end world championship, rather than for the WCS to be just another tourney among many. Ultimately, you can't please everybody. Blizzard did what they had to do given the circumstances in each region.
nottapro
Profile Joined August 2012
202 Posts
April 04 2013 13:53 GMT
#329
On April 04 2013 22:42 forsooth wrote:
Okay, I want to make sure I'm understanding this right. If you're in Code A or the qualifiers, that means you're already locked into Korea as your region, but you have no chance to compete for points because only Code S players get to?

If so, I can understand why a MC is mad.


I hope they all worker rush in protest.
Baum
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany1010 Posts
April 04 2013 13:54 GMT
#330
Well it would really be dumb if you could play Code A and GSL qualifiers while playing WCS in another region so you have two chances to qualify for the next WCS season if I understand this correctly.

Also I think the decision to play WCS in another region should require you to reside in that region so that you actually have to move and practice in that region for a certain amount of time which would result in a more even skill distribution and a way of legitimizing players playing in another region.
I want to be with those who share secret things or else alone.
Darkshark
Profile Joined January 2013
Germany27 Posts
April 04 2013 14:01 GMT
#331
I love Naniwa for his attitude, he just want to show everyone, that he can still compete in GSL. I like that, hope to see him in the GSL
BTT: I think, that Mcs statment just tells the truth, Blizzard could have done some things better, but anyways i think we will se a lot of great game because of the WCS
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
April 04 2013 14:01 GMT
#332
On April 04 2013 22:54 Baum wrote:
Well it would really be dumb if you could play Code A and GSL qualifiers while playing WCS in another region so you have two chances to qualify for the next WCS season if I understand this correctly.

Also I think the decision to play WCS in another region should require you to reside in that region so that you actually have to move and practice in that region for a certain amount of time which would result in a more even skill distribution and a way of legitimizing players playing in another region.


Why do you want to make it a harder region lock than it already is? Koreans mostly don't even complain about having a harder qualifier, they do complain that they are locked into region and Code S is taken as qualifier which is already decided and Code A / B players don't even had the chance to qualify due to this.

Based on WOL results and the very last season of GSL WoL it has been decided who is qualified...= . = which is just wrong
CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
ErrantKnight
Profile Joined November 2012
Switzerland186 Posts
April 04 2013 14:06 GMT
#333
All this is very true, One way to partly prevent this would be to do a special bracket for Koreans (I actually mean you put all the Koreans in the same side of the overall bracket) this gives the opportunity to all foreign players to compete in Season finals. The problem is that it won't help foreigners to play in Korea.
"Quantity is quality by itself"
nottapro
Profile Joined August 2012
202 Posts
April 04 2013 14:14 GMT
#334
I don't really understand why the people who won & qualified for code S should be punished for winning, by allowing everyone except them, a second chance.
MateShade
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia736 Posts
April 04 2013 14:19 GMT
#335
Yeah this whole format idea is totally dumb. I can't comprehend why blizzard thought this was a good idea. Way to completely fuck up the scene
t e a C h e r
Profile Joined January 2013
Canada151 Posts
April 04 2013 14:24 GMT
#336
Only the legit and non fraud koreans will remain in korea and own it up. Because it would just reassure them that if they are on top of the GSL or korean WCS, then they are basically the best in the world, and should go into Blizzcon finals confident they can handle anyone from NA/EU.
@bullscent , twitch: teacherwish
Baum
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany1010 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-04 14:30:55
April 04 2013 14:27 GMT
#337
On April 04 2013 23:01 Type|NarutO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2013 22:54 Baum wrote:
Well it would really be dumb if you could play Code A and GSL qualifiers while playing WCS in another region so you have two chances to qualify for the next WCS season if I understand this correctly.

Also I think the decision to play WCS in another region should require you to reside in that region so that you actually have to move and practice in that region for a certain amount of time which would result in a more even skill distribution and a way of legitimizing players playing in another region.


Why do you want to make it a harder region lock than it already is? Koreans mostly don't even complain about having a harder qualifier, they do complain that they are locked into region and Code S is taken as qualifier which is already decided and Code A / B players don't even had the chance to qualify due to this.

Based on WOL results and the very last season of GSL WoL it has been decided who is qualified...= . = which is just wrong


I am still not quite sure how the system works to be honest. But if playing Code A and playing WCS in another region means that you can qualify for the next WCS season through two different events I think it's not quite fair. Everyone should have the same chance of qualifying. If the best solution is to run a separate qualifier I have nothing against that. I agree that it is not very fair or legitimate to just run the first WCS Korea with all the Code S players. While all the players trying to qualify for Code S don't even get a chance to play in WCS.

My other point about requiring residency for Players playing in different regions is based on the argument that this would help the different regions because it would mean that a player actually had to practice in the region he plays in so if Koreans decide to play in EU and NA which I have no problem with they would be playing on those servers and the level of play in those regions would rise. Also it would legitimize the players doing that and add to their story line. If you think about Polt nobody can really fault him for playing in NA because he is living there and adding to the competitiveness of the American scene just like ForGG is doing the same in Europe.
I want to be with those who share secret things or else alone.
gingerfluffmuff
Profile Joined January 2011
Austria4570 Posts
April 04 2013 14:43 GMT
#338
On April 04 2013 23:06 ErrantKnight wrote:
All this is very true, One way to partly prevent this would be to do a special bracket for Koreans (I actually mean you put all the Koreans in the same side of the overall bracket) this gives the opportunity to all foreign players to compete in Season finals. The problem is that it won't help foreigners to play in Korea.

0_0 mindblown. The runner up being worse than ~50-100 Koreans would make this tournament a laughing stock.
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TAMinator
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia2706 Posts
April 04 2013 14:44 GMT
#339
Naniwa to take the final korean spot from Nestea. Called it. (You don't even know how much I want this to happen HEHEHEHE)
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-04 14:49:23
April 04 2013 14:48 GMT
#340
It blows my mind is why they don't have a separate WCS qualifier, especially since now they have two sets of caster casting the exactly the same thing which is completely redundant and a terrible waste of money! Instead they should've done:

1. Season: Gom: regular GSL | Ogn: WCS qualifier
2. Season: Gom: WCS qualifier | Ogn: regular OSL
3. Season: Gom: regular GSL | Ogn: WCS qualifier

Everybody would've been happy and no resources would've been wasted...

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