EPTWhy is race swapping not allowed ? - Page 2
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sambo400
United States378 Posts
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Whatson
United States5357 Posts
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aintz
Canada5624 Posts
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Sumahi
Guam5609 Posts
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crazyweasel
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Kihshra
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On December 30 2012 01:26 Whatson wrote: I don't think there's a rule against it, but I believe you do have to let it be known beforehand (It's not exactly fair if you decide to become a Terran a few minutes before the match after your Protoss opponent practices nonstop for a week against Zerg). I have no idea why anybody would want to switch races between games though, it's stupid. Let's say I'm supposed to play Terran and you're Zerg, and the map we're supposed to play on is Atlantis Spaceship. Still stupid for me to raceswap ? | ||
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LOLItsRyann
England551 Posts
On December 30 2012 00:49 VasHeR wrote: it potentially leads to too much circular bickering about races ("well if he's switching to X, i'm switching to Y"..."if he's switching to Y, i'm switching to Z"...etc) I'm sorry sir, but I think you'll find that X, and Y are not playable races in Starcraft. ^^ | ||
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MarkCJ
Canada239 Posts
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Whatson
United States5357 Posts
On December 30 2012 01:35 Kihshra wrote: Let's say I'm supposed to play Terran and you're Zerg, and the map we're supposed to play on is Atlantis Spaceship. Still stupid for me to raceswap ? Well duh. | ||
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Kihshra
178 Posts
On December 30 2012 01:43 Whatson wrote: Well duh. Maps are only a small part of the problem. For example GSL. Players study their opponents a lot before hand, and a number of them prepare specific builds tailored to a specific weakness they find in their opponents matchup, especially in the Bo5s. That means all that practice time is wasted if your opponent switches races, and your opponent would have been able to practice the correct matchup. I already told what I thought about this concern. As long as you know which maps you're gonna play on, you should just tell the races you're gonna play on each map, like 1 week before. | ||
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Whatson
United States5357 Posts
On December 30 2012 01:45 Kihshra wrote: I already told what I thought about this concern. As long as you know which maps you're gonna play on, you should just tell the races you're gonna play on each map, like 1 week before. Then yeah, it'd be fine. Not like most pros would do it anyways LOL. | ||
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IceSlipper
Australia1028 Posts
I mean, imagine GSL finals, MVP down 0-3, switches to Z or P for the amazing fightback championship win. It would create opportunities for some pretty amazing stories and in my opinion cause players to be better overall at the game rather than better at the matchups, thanks to having to be prepared for anything and everything. If players only want to practice against one race, knowing race switching is allowed then its their own fault. I don't see how the 'wasted preparation' argument is valid. | ||
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Whatson
United States5357 Posts
On December 30 2012 01:48 IceSlipper wrote: To be honest, my first response was something along the lines of it ruining the opposing players preparation but lets get realistic here, if people don't have to nominate a race before the game, players should be training against everything possible, not just pigeon-holing their preparation towards one specific matchup. The more I think about it, the less I am convinced that not allowing race swapping is a good idea. I mean, imagine GSL finals, MVP down 0-3, switches to Z for the amazing fightback championship win. It would create opportunities for some pretty amazing stories and in my opinion cause players to be better overall at the game rather than better at the matchups, thanks to having to be prepared for anything and everything. If players only want to practice against one race, knowing race switching is allowed then its their own fault. I don't see how the 'wasted preparation' argument is valid. This is pretty much my train of thought also, it would definitely show who is the better "overall" player. But I don't think a lot of pros would take the chance. | ||
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Eee
Sweden2712 Posts
On December 30 2012 01:22 aintz wrote: pretty sure gumioh played random in gsl before settling with terran. Not in the GSL, he settled on Terran when he qualified for the GSL. GSL does not allow Random since you can prepare for a matchup in that case. | ||
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Subversive
Australia2229 Posts
On December 30 2012 01:33 Sumahi wrote: I've always been surprised that there hasn't been more switching of races amongst pros. For example, given the way that so many talk about Zerg being overpowered and Terran being weak, I was a bit surprised we didn't see any players switch to Zerg. I'm not that surprised. Considering how often Blizzard patches the game, you wouldn't want to change and then have your new race nerfed/old race buffed. And the amount of training with one race is huge. On December 30 2012 01:51 Eee wrote: Not in the GSL, he settled on Terran when he qualified for the GSL. GSL does not allow Random since you can prepare for a matchup in that case. I'm almost certain I saw Guineapig play some random televised GSL matches. | ||
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SFX
United States89 Posts
On December 30 2012 01:51 Eee wrote: Not in the GSL, he settled on Terran when he qualified for the GSL. GSL does not allow Random since you can prepare for a matchup in that case. I'm pretty sure the GSL allows random (they've had random players before). I just think they force you to register the race (or races in Morrow's case) you're going to use before the matches. | ||
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FeyFey
Germany10114 Posts
They might bother if we would see it (especially with the losers choice system). And in Warcraft 3 it was quiet okay as some matchups didn't worked on a few maps for one side. | ||
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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
On December 30 2012 00:56 X3GoldDot wrote: man gumiho used to be a random player, look at how good he is now GuineaPig was random for some time. | ||
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edlover420
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On December 30 2012 01:51 Eee wrote: Not in the GSL, he settled on Terran when he qualified for the GSL. GSL does not allow Random since you can prepare for a matchup in that case. Nope, GSL has always allowed for random. It wouldn't make sense for them to allow it in qualifiers but not for Code A and Code S. The reason the Gumiho picked Terran was probably because it is very very hard to play all 3 races at GSL levels. Sure, there are advantages (openers) to playing random but it is just so much more demanding. You have to play 6 matchups instead of 3. It is true that your opponent shas to practice 3 matchups, but the random player also needs to practice 3 match ups since they don't know which race they will get until they get into the game. | ||
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