To clarify a few things, it was early on in my gaming in korea. Prior to being on any pro team. (That tournament was actually the one that caused P.O.S to offer me to join their team).
I was under the expectation that once you announced your race to the tournament directors you weren't allowed to change it. Which is what the tournament officials told us. Yet they then allowed it. (maybe something was lost in translation but i doubt it). Maybe i was also naive, being new to korea. I still think its wrong and they should not have allowed it.
The poster saying i lost due to inability to be adaptable is partly right, and very wrong. Yes if i was better i would have still won, but there is so much about mental preparation at top level gaming. (although i wasn't anywhere near that point at the time). There is a big difference between random games, compared to online tournaments (which i'd mostly consider the equivilant of random games) compared to offline tournaments, compared to tournament games vs a particular player.
An enourmous amount of ability to win tournament games comes down to refining builds on maps in preparation for games, coming from hours of thinking about what builds/counters/scouting patterns etc, all the preparations you are going to do when you see certain things. Knowing what the player is likely to do, knowing where to position armies in battles and when to retreat at certain times. Its all a mental preperation thing. Going into a match with that preparation makes you not have to think at all, as you've already done it all, and you just react, making you play a lot faster.
From going into a match completely prepared to having just a few minute notice in which you only have time to pick a random build that you've done before on the map means you are going to be playing very generic, and nowhere near at your best ability .
On December 31 2012 14:24 Legionnaire wrote: To clarify a few things, it was early on in my gaming in korea. Prior to being on any pro team. (That tournament was actually the one that caused P.O.S to offer me to join their team).
I was under the expectation that once you announced your race to the tournament directors you weren't allowed to change it. Which is what the tournament officials told us. Yet they then allowed it. (maybe something was lost in translation but i doubt it). Maybe i was also niave, being new to korea. I still think its wrong and they should not have allowed it.
The poster saying i lost due to inability to be adaptable is partly right, and very wrong. Yes if i was better i would have still won, but there is so much about mental preparation at top level gaming. (although i wasn't anywhere near that point at the time). There is a big difference between random games, compared to tournaments, compared to tournament games vs a particular player.
An enourmous amount of ability to win tournament games comes down to refining builds on maps in preparation for games, coming from hours of thinking about what builds/counters/scouting patterns etc, all the preparations you are going to do when you see certain things. Knowing what the player is likely to do, knowing where to position armies in battles and when to retreat at certain times. Its all a mental preperation thing. Going into a match with that preparation makes you not have to think at all, as you've already done it all, and you just react, making you play a lot faster.
From going into a match completely prepared to having just a few minute notice in which you only have time to pick a random build that you've done before on the map means you are going to be playing very generic, and nowhere near at your best ability .
i wonder if tehy only allowed the change because you were a foreigner
As long as you state that's the race/matchups you'll be playing when you enter the lineups/tournament then it's fine, even in proleague afaik. It's just probably going to hurt you more than your opponent unless you're equally skilled with more than one race. Ret, Morrow, Savior are the three that come to mind who did it.
On December 31 2012 14:40 Scarecrow wrote: As long as you state that's the race/matchups you'll be playing when you enter the lineups/tournament then it's fine, even in proleague afaik. It's just probably going to hurt you more than your opponent unless you're equally skilled with more than one race. Ret, Morrow, Savior are the three that come to mind who did it.
On December 30 2012 00:50 liquidoa wrote: I am still waiting for the player who plays random on a high tournament level. That would make this game so much more entertaining. He would be the Hero of Heros.
Probably the largest hurdle to it ever happening is the sheer amount of time it would take to be top notch with all 3 races all the time. You'd need someone not a pro already (because they likely wouldn't switch to random), who has a ridiculous amount of time so they can get top GM good with all 3 races and not just be a cheese factory.
That and whoever it was would have to be super super dedicated because they'd likely have to practice more then everyone else. There would be 'some' obvious advantages to it in the SC2 scene, I'm just not sure they are enticing enough to convince anyone to do it.
There were the OGs that used to random in the very early days of BW, but they died out.
Considering some pros now spend 10+ hours practicing there literally isn't enough time in the day to get remotely good enough with even just another race to compete at the highest level.
dude 10 hours is like taking a break, the BW teams at least practice like 16 hours a day and get one day off a month (and usually spend that day practicing anyway)
Why does the made up time that people who have never been in a Korean pro house say just get higher and higher?
I swear by the end of next year everyone will say "Oh yeah, Flash plays at least 25 hours a day."
On December 30 2012 00:50 liquidoa wrote: I am still waiting for the player who plays random on a high tournament level. That would make this game so much more entertaining. He would be the Hero of Heros.
Probably the largest hurdle to it ever happening is the sheer amount of time it would take to be top notch with all 3 races all the time. You'd need someone not a pro already (because they likely wouldn't switch to random), who has a ridiculous amount of time so they can get top GM good with all 3 races and not just be a cheese factory.
That and whoever it was would have to be super super dedicated because they'd likely have to practice more then everyone else. There would be 'some' obvious advantages to it in the SC2 scene, I'm just not sure they are enticing enough to convince anyone to do it.
There were the OGs that used to random in the very early days of BW, but they died out.
Considering some pros now spend 10+ hours practicing there literally isn't enough time in the day to get remotely good enough with even just another race to compete at the highest level.
dude 10 hours is like taking a break, the BW teams at least practice like 16 hours a day and get one day off a month (and usually spend that day practicing anyway)
Why does the made up time that people who have never been in a Korean pro house say just get higher and higher?
I swear by the end of next year everyone will say "Oh yeah, Flash plays at least 25 hours a day."
by made up time you mean time stated by IdrA? cause thats what im basing my statements on
straight saids that they had to practice 10-12 hours minimum and most put in more then that about 19~ minutes in
i remember NesTea stating in an interview hed do 16 hour days when preparing for a big match
On December 30 2012 00:50 liquidoa wrote: I am still waiting for the player who plays random on a high tournament level. That would make this game so much more entertaining. He would be the Hero of Heros.
man gumiho used to be a random player, look at how good he is now
On December 30 2012 00:50 liquidoa wrote: I am still waiting for the player who plays random on a high tournament level. That would make this game so much more entertaining. He would be the Hero of Heros.
Probably the largest hurdle to it ever happening is the sheer amount of time it would take to be top notch with all 3 races all the time. You'd need someone not a pro already (because they likely wouldn't switch to random), who has a ridiculous amount of time so they can get top GM good with all 3 races and not just be a cheese factory.
That and whoever it was would have to be super super dedicated because they'd likely have to practice more then everyone else. There would be 'some' obvious advantages to it in the SC2 scene, I'm just not sure they are enticing enough to convince anyone to do it.
There were the OGs that used to random in the very early days of BW, but they died out.
Considering some pros now spend 10+ hours practicing there literally isn't enough time in the day to get remotely good enough with even just another race to compete at the highest level.
dude 10 hours is like taking a break, the BW teams at least practice like 16 hours a day and get one day off a month (and usually spend that day practicing anyway)
Why does the made up time that people who have never been in a Korean pro house say just get higher and higher?
I swear by the end of next year everyone will say "Oh yeah, Flash plays at least 25 hours a day."
by made up time you mean time stated by IdrA? cause thats what im basing my statements on
i remember NesTea stating in an interview hed do 16 hour days when preparing for a big match
Not sure how that supports your argument. 10-12 might be minimum and some might do more. But you said 16 hours MINIMUM and 29 days/month. I don't doubt that some might practiced 16 hours for a couple days for a big match. But I think you exaggerated when you stated "The BW teams at least practice like 16 hours a day and get one day off a month"
On December 30 2012 00:50 liquidoa wrote: I am still waiting for the player who plays random on a high tournament level. That would make this game so much more entertaining. He would be the Hero of Heros.
Probably the largest hurdle to it ever happening is the sheer amount of time it would take to be top notch with all 3 races all the time. You'd need someone not a pro already (because they likely wouldn't switch to random), who has a ridiculous amount of time so they can get top GM good with all 3 races and not just be a cheese factory.
That and whoever it was would have to be super super dedicated because they'd likely have to practice more then everyone else. There would be 'some' obvious advantages to it in the SC2 scene, I'm just not sure they are enticing enough to convince anyone to do it.
There were the OGs that used to random in the very early days of BW, but they died out.
Considering some pros now spend 10+ hours practicing there literally isn't enough time in the day to get remotely good enough with even just another race to compete at the highest level.
dude 10 hours is like taking a break, the BW teams at least practice like 16 hours a day and get one day off a month (and usually spend that day practicing anyway)
Why does the made up time that people who have never been in a Korean pro house say just get higher and higher?
I swear by the end of next year everyone will say "Oh yeah, Flash plays at least 25 hours a day."
by made up time you mean time stated by IdrA? cause thats what im basing my statements on
i remember NesTea stating in an interview hed do 16 hour days when preparing for a big match
Not sure how that supports your argument. 10-12 might be minimum and some might do more. But you said 16 hours MINIMUM and 29 days/month. I don't doubt that some might practiced 16 hours for a couple days for a big match. But I think you exaggerated when you stated "The BW teams at least practice like 16 hours a day and get one day off a month"
i never said 16 hours a day minimum considering theres only 24 hours a day and you should aim for 8 hours of sleep forcing 16 hours of practice would be a good way to run them to the ground
i said that in BW the pros practiced like 16 hours a day not that they literally practiced 16 hours a day every day but around 16 hours
it might be a slight exageration to say 16 hours but id imagine that 14-15 hour days (for the top pros at least) would be considered standard
On December 30 2012 00:50 liquidoa wrote: I am still waiting for the player who plays random on a high tournament level. That would make this game so much more entertaining. He would be the Hero of Heros.
Probably the largest hurdle to it ever happening is the sheer amount of time it would take to be top notch with all 3 races all the time. You'd need someone not a pro already (because they likely wouldn't switch to random), who has a ridiculous amount of time so they can get top GM good with all 3 races and not just be a cheese factory.
That and whoever it was would have to be super super dedicated because they'd likely have to practice more then everyone else. There would be 'some' obvious advantages to it in the SC2 scene, I'm just not sure they are enticing enough to convince anyone to do it.
There were the OGs that used to random in the very early days of BW, but they died out.
Considering some pros now spend 10+ hours practicing there literally isn't enough time in the day to get remotely good enough with even just another race to compete at the highest level.
dude 10 hours is like taking a break, the BW teams at least practice like 16 hours a day and get one day off a month (and usually spend that day practicing anyway)
Why does the made up time that people who have never been in a Korean pro house say just get higher and higher?
I swear by the end of next year everyone will say "Oh yeah, Flash plays at least 25 hours a day."
by made up time you mean time stated by IdrA? cause thats what im basing my statements on
i remember NesTea stating in an interview hed do 16 hour days when preparing for a big match
Not sure how that supports your argument. 10-12 might be minimum and some might do more. But you said 16 hours MINIMUM and 29 days/month. I don't doubt that some might practiced 16 hours for a couple days for a big match. But I think you exaggerated when you stated "The BW teams at least practice like 16 hours a day and get one day off a month"
i never said 16 hours a day minimum considering theres only 24 hours a day and you should aim for 8 hours of sleep forcing 16 hours of practice would be a good way to run them to the ground
i said that in BW the pros practiced like 16 hours a day not that they literally practiced 16 hours a day every day but around 16 hours
it might be a slight exageration to say 16 hours but id imagine that 14-15 hour days (for the top pros at least) would be considered standard
You said "dude 10 hours is like taking a break, the BW teams at least practice like 16 hours a day and get one day off a month (and usually spend that day practicing anyway)"
On December 30 2012 00:50 liquidoa wrote: I am still waiting for the player who plays random on a high tournament level. That would make this game so much more entertaining. He would be the Hero of Heros.
Probably the largest hurdle to it ever happening is the sheer amount of time it would take to be top notch with all 3 races all the time. You'd need someone not a pro already (because they likely wouldn't switch to random), who has a ridiculous amount of time so they can get top GM good with all 3 races and not just be a cheese factory.
That and whoever it was would have to be super super dedicated because they'd likely have to practice more then everyone else. There would be 'some' obvious advantages to it in the SC2 scene, I'm just not sure they are enticing enough to convince anyone to do it.
There were the OGs that used to random in the very early days of BW, but they died out.
Considering some pros now spend 10+ hours practicing there literally isn't enough time in the day to get remotely good enough with even just another race to compete at the highest level.
dude 10 hours is like taking a break, the BW teams at least practice like 16 hours a day and get one day off a month (and usually spend that day practicing anyway)
Why does the made up time that people who have never been in a Korean pro house say just get higher and higher?
I swear by the end of next year everyone will say "Oh yeah, Flash plays at least 25 hours a day."
by made up time you mean time stated by IdrA? cause thats what im basing my statements on
i remember NesTea stating in an interview hed do 16 hour days when preparing for a big match
Not sure how that supports your argument. 10-12 might be minimum and some might do more. But you said 16 hours MINIMUM and 29 days/month. I don't doubt that some might practiced 16 hours for a couple days for a big match. But I think you exaggerated when you stated "The BW teams at least practice like 16 hours a day and get one day off a month"
i never said 16 hours a day minimum considering theres only 24 hours a day and you should aim for 8 hours of sleep forcing 16 hours of practice would be a good way to run them to the ground
i said that in BW the pros practiced like 16 hours a day not that they literally practiced 16 hours a day every day but around 16 hours
it might be a slight exageration to say 16 hours but id imagine that 14-15 hour days (for the top pros at least) would be considered standard
You said "dude 10 hours is like taking a break, the BW teams at least practice like 16 hours a day and get one day off a month (and usually spend that day practicing anyway)"
ya and i fail to see how anything contradicts that
On December 30 2012 00:50 liquidoa wrote: I am still waiting for the player who plays random on a high tournament level. That would make this game so much more entertaining. He would be the Hero of Heros.
Probably the largest hurdle to it ever happening is the sheer amount of time it would take to be top notch with all 3 races all the time. You'd need someone not a pro already (because they likely wouldn't switch to random), who has a ridiculous amount of time so they can get top GM good with all 3 races and not just be a cheese factory.
That and whoever it was would have to be super super dedicated because they'd likely have to practice more then everyone else. There would be 'some' obvious advantages to it in the SC2 scene, I'm just not sure they are enticing enough to convince anyone to do it.
There were the OGs that used to random in the very early days of BW, but they died out.
Considering some pros now spend 10+ hours practicing there literally isn't enough time in the day to get remotely good enough with even just another race to compete at the highest level.
dude 10 hours is like taking a break, the BW teams at least practice like 16 hours a day and get one day off a month (and usually spend that day practicing anyway)
Why does the made up time that people who have never been in a Korean pro house say just get higher and higher?
I swear by the end of next year everyone will say "Oh yeah, Flash plays at least 25 hours a day."
by made up time you mean time stated by IdrA? cause thats what im basing my statements on
i remember NesTea stating in an interview hed do 16 hour days when preparing for a big match
Not sure how that supports your argument. 10-12 might be minimum and some might do more. But you said 16 hours MINIMUM and 29 days/month. I don't doubt that some might practiced 16 hours for a couple days for a big match. But I think you exaggerated when you stated "The BW teams at least practice like 16 hours a day and get one day off a month"
i never said 16 hours a day minimum considering theres only 24 hours a day and you should aim for 8 hours of sleep forcing 16 hours of practice would be a good way to run them to the ground
i said that in BW the pros practiced like 16 hours a day not that they literally practiced 16 hours a day every day but around 16 hours
it might be a slight exaggeration to say 16 hours but id imagine that 14-15 hour days (for the top pros at least) would be considered standard
You said "dude 10 hours is like taking a break, the BW teams at least practice like 16 hours a day and get one day off a month (and usually spend that day practicing anyway)"
ya and i fail to see how anything contradicts that
You just said you based your response on a video that says teams practiced 10-12 hours minimum and somehow ramped it up into "pro teams practiced at least 16 hours/day with 1 day break," and the example you gave out is from a champion who practiced that much before BIG matches. The other poster said you exaggerated, i agree.
We need more Z v Z no need other races ZvZ is the best matchup + best balanced matchup in whole game(Wol) all others matchups boring always same end ............. no ironic ps: switching race if u can play zerg on tournament madness pure madness!!!! .
offf topic!!! ps2: Protoss ladder 1-Protoss on the ladder mean u play zerg all day long and if u win u beat your writen destiny cause u have to lose! 2-If u accidentaly meet terran u lose cause u dont know what terran is cause u dont meet him 100 games before. 3-If u meet protoss u most likely lose if u try anything more inteligent then 4 gate .
Summary: Dont play protoss if u dont want be hospitalized cause total brain failure, where u see zerg coming from all sides and everything u do is only waste of time .........
Whenever this argument comes up, I imagine a football coach's expression when they tell him he's not allowed to use a 3-4 defense, because the other team hadn't prepared for it, expecting a 4-3 defense.
On January 01 2013 06:48 CamoPillbox wrote: We need more Z v Z no need other races ZvZ is the best matchup + best balanced matchup in whole game(Wol) all others matchups boring always same end ............. no ironic ps: switching race if u can play zerg on tournament madness pure madness!!!! .
offf topic!!! ps2: Protoss ladder 1-Protoss on the ladder mean u play zerg all day long and if u win u beat your writen destiny cause u have to lose! 2-If u accidentaly meet terran u lose cause u dont know what terran is cause u dont meet him 100 games before. 3-If u meet protoss u most likely lose if u try anything more inteligent then 4 gate .
Summary: Dont play protoss if u dont want be hospitalized cause total brain failure, where u see zerg coming from all sides and everything u do is only waste of time .........
On January 01 2013 07:14 SlimeBagly wrote: Whenever this argument comes up, I imagine a football coach's expression when they tell him he's not allowed to use a 3-4 defense, because the other team hadn't prepared for it, expecting a 4-3 defense.
It's not really similar at all, but sure
By the way everyone, theres a little something called opportunity cost. There's a reason nobody plays random anymore. Jack of all trades master of none is not a strategy that wins tournaments.
Probably the largest hurdle to it ever happening is the sheer amount of time it would take to be top notch with all 3 races all the time. You'd need someone not a pro already (because they likely wouldn't switch to random), who has a ridiculous amount of time so they can get top GM good with all 3 races and not just be a cheese factory.
That and whoever it was would have to be super super dedicated because they'd likely have to practice more then everyone else. There would be 'some' obvious advantages to it in the SC2 scene, I'm just not sure they are enticing enough to convince anyone to do it.
There were the OGs that used to random in the very early days of BW, but they died out.
Considering some pros now spend 10+ hours practicing there literally isn't enough time in the day to get remotely good enough with even just another race to compete at the highest level.
dude 10 hours is like taking a break, the BW teams at least practice like 16 hours a day and get one day off a month (and usually spend that day practicing anyway)
Why does the made up time that people who have never been in a Korean pro house say just get higher and higher?
I swear by the end of next year everyone will say "Oh yeah, Flash plays at least 25 hours a day."
by made up time you mean time stated by IdrA? cause thats what im basing my statements on
i remember NesTea stating in an interview hed do 16 hour days when preparing for a big match
Not sure how that supports your argument. 10-12 might be minimum and some might do more. But you said 16 hours MINIMUM and 29 days/month. I don't doubt that some might practiced 16 hours for a couple days for a big match. But I think you exaggerated when you stated "The BW teams at least practice like 16 hours a day and get one day off a month"
i never said 16 hours a day minimum considering theres only 24 hours a day and you should aim for 8 hours of sleep forcing 16 hours of practice would be a good way to run them to the ground
i said that in BW the pros practiced like 16 hours a day not that they literally practiced 16 hours a day every day but around 16 hours
it might be a slight exaggeration to say 16 hours but id imagine that 14-15 hour days (for the top pros at least) would be considered standard
You said "dude 10 hours is like taking a break, the BW teams at least practice like 16 hours a day and get one day off a month (and usually spend that day practicing anyway)"
ya and i fail to see how anything contradicts that
You just said you based your response on a video that says teams practiced 10-12 hours minimum and somehow ramped it up into "pro teams practiced at least 16 hours/day with 1 day break," and the example you gave out is from a champion who practiced that much before BIG matches. The other poster said you exaggerated, i agree.
no i said they practiced like 16 hours a day i never said nor implied that 16 hours was the minimum amount of time they had to practice
since IdrA said most players go above and beyond the minimum its safe to say most players practiced 14-15 hours a day
EPT
ps: switching race if u can play zerg on tournament madness pure madness!!!! .
