Why is race swapping not allowed ? - Page 6

On December 30 2012 13:47 Salazarz wrote:
Players aside, how is race switching interesting from a spectator's point of view? I can think of plenty of reasons why it would be an awful thing if it was common, and can't really think of it actually making games more enjoyable to watch.

On December 30 2012 13:52 chaokel wrote:


Why? How does it differ from any other match?

On December 30 2012 13:42 Greendotz wrote:


It's a very cheap trick, nothing wrong with it per-se but I see it as poor sportsmanship and reflects badly on the other player. It's like serving in tennis when it's obvious your opponent isn't ready. Sure you don't have to wait for them and you can probably score an easy point by doing it, still doesn't take away from the fact that you're a bit of a shit for trying it.

The fact that the guy apologised, said he'd switch back and again went back on his word just makes him come across as some lack-luster pro who has to rely on cheap tricks to score wins.



^ Also this

On December 30 2012 13:32 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
So what the argument is that it's not really an announcement if he doesn't have to stick with it. It's like what you're saying is that everyone should consider that they might change their race on the day of the match, and that you should spend time looking at their match history and also practice against the other 2 races. But what if the other player considers that you might race change on the same day, but he takes the risk by practicing only against the race you announced and not the others, therefore giving him an advantage? It's the same situation with ggon switching races. He could have just done that to lie, and was practicing against one race the whole time, planning to change races the last day just to mess his opponent up.

On December 30 2012 14:00 Salazarz wrote:
People dedicating to one race = more refined builds, more specialized game plans rather than cookie-cutter macro into deathball games; also, a lot of players like w/e players because they share the race, or enjoy watching that particular race. Also there's the whole thing with racepicker vs racepicker. Also, certain matchups would basically never be played on some maps if racepicking was a common thing; like if a certain map is perceived to be imbalanced in one race's favour, why would you even bother trying to come up with something that works on that map if you can just play a different race.

Taking risk is part of the game, which would begin even before the actual match. Nothing wrong with it for me, as long as the rules are clear, that you pick race blindly before each map. Of course there could arise some players who would try to abuse that, promising they'd stick to one race and then changing it, but I'm quite sure this trick would work only once, and also on a player that doesn't take into account that his opponent might be a dick.

On December 30 2012 00:45 sickoota wrote:
most tournaments do allow it. GSL let morrow do it, almost all western tournaments allow it. I doubt kespa ever will, but that is more a matter of tradition.

On December 30 2012 13:15 Msr wrote:



Your fault for not preparing properly and knowing your opponent. If you are only able to win based off preparing for that specific match up on x maps then that is your own fault and you are a very very very poor player.

On December 30 2012 14:39 Forikorder wrote:


its not a trick

if Player A and Player B are going to be playing

Player A announces hell play race A but will actually use race B, player B knows Player A has lied about this before but he doesnt know if player A is going to pick B or C so hed have to practice against both

but player A might know player B doesnt trust him so use race A anyway knowing that Player B would think hed use B or C since Player A said hed use A

in short every person would have to know every race and master every match up in order to be good but gimmicky players would be much better

since youd have to be great at all 9 match ups the most logical answer is just to cheese the shit out of your opponent

all it does is create shitty games, loses viewers, loses players (since if your not willing to play random you dont have a snowballs chance in hell) and causes the scene to collapse

theres literally no benefit to allowing unannounced race changes, it promotes cheesy all-ins, lowers the overall level of games, makes GSL completely irrelevant and a joke league (since its selling point is the preparation but you cant prepare if you dont know who your playing) would cause lots of players to just quit since they wouldnt be able to pick the race they like and just play it without taking massive disadvantages

On December 30 2012 14:49 Tommyth wrote:


God I can't believe what did I just read...

It's almost always more beneficial to practice ONE race and only 3 matchups. The only situation I can imagine the race switching to be advantageous is when youre matched against a player who is absolutely dominating in a particular matchup, you did your best in 1st map but still got crushed, you have the option to try something else than providing a truly boring game number 2, when every spectator knows you're gonna lose after 5 minutes.

On December 30 2012 15:18 Luepert wrote:
What if a player who plays ZvT. ZvP, TvZ, plays against a guy who plays PvT, PvP, ZvZ?

On December 30 2012 15:19 phodacbiet wrote:


This is why pros dont post on TL anymore, because they get criticized by random nobodies =(

On December 30 2012 15:19 phodacbiet wrote:


This is why pros dont post on TL anymore, because they get criticized by random nobodies =(