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On December 07 2012 09:10 Shinta) wrote:
If MLG is the one doing the English streams and they send out Axeltoss, there is no way I'm watching pro league.
Letting OGN down when they are trying to show the world they aren't terrible makes me not want to support proleague. Letting MLG stream it is ridiculous enough as an idea, MLG is a tournament, ProLeague is a tournament, why is one tournament casting another tournament? Why isn't a broadcasting company casting it? If KeSPA is going to shorthand OGN, they should already have English casters on board, or say "fuck you international scene" and cast Korean only. There is no reason to get MLG involved, they have no part in this shit.
If they stream only Korean, I might watch some matches, though I'll never stay up to watch. If OGN did English streams, I would stay up to watch them. If MLG does English casts it won't make any sense, and will just be blatant corporate bullshit. If Axeltoss casts the English casts, I'll never watch them because I hate his casting personality.
I feel like if I knew him irl I would dislike and make sure to avoid him, so that makes those streams too hard to watch.
Everything about this last minute situation is completely negative without an ounce of positivity -_-
So much for all the hype ProLeague was working on...
Just to correct you about "MLG is a tournament"
About MLG
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On December 07 2012 09:06 iamho wrote:
Seems like OGN was the one who decided to cancel the English casts, amazing how quickly everyone jumps to hate on KeSPA.
Do you think OGN isn't losing money by pulling this move last minute? Like DoA said, they had been preparing for a couple of months for this. You think they pull the plug on a whim? Kespa must've approached them with something that OGN felt completely disrespected about or that they felt wouldn't of gained them anything so they said fuck it, we won't do it.
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On December 07 2012 08:40 VManOfMana wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2012 08:25 Broodwurst wrote:On December 07 2012 08:22 rasers wrote:On December 07 2012 08:20 Broodwurst wrote:On December 07 2012 08:08 rasers wrote:On December 07 2012 08:01 jinorazi wrote:On December 07 2012 07:59 Dodgin wrote:On December 07 2012 07:57 jinorazi wrote:
i dont get it, when did sc2 people start loving ogn so much?
it says no ogn's english cast, not no english cast. it seems mlg will be casting the english. If MLG can deliver a broadcast that is not just them casting replays the day after the matches air from their studio with no player/venue/crowd shots I'm sure most people will be fine with that. The problem is the timing, Proleague starts tomorrow and nothing seems to be certain. i say dont be too spoiled...where's the love that kept tlnet going for the decade despite no official english casting. there will be tl members, sayle for example, that can cast the games for us, as they have for the past 10 years. and whats the harm in listening to the korean casters once in awhile, like good o' days ^_^ that love is gone. together with BW. And it got replaced with a state where foreigner teams and tournaments actually matter and so do the interests of foreign fans. AKA this whole "expanding eSports" thing. But sure, let's go back to the old days where only Korea matters. TL won't have a team.There won't be MLG or Dreamhack. There'll be no Tastosis casting Code S. it got replaced with people caring about shitty players just because they are not korean. yes. oh and cause Sc2 doesn't matter in korea. ofc~ Make more sense please. He actually is making sense. The "FOR ESPORTS" hive mentality has taken over the appreciation of watching Starcraft played at the highest possible level. The respect for the Korean scene was because they were the ones to make it happen, not because they are Korean. And Blizzard and GOM have been very good at manipulating this sentiment to their favor. No matter how inept they are at designing and balancing SC2, they just meed more time. It's okay if Blizzard/GOM were in cahoots to control the Korean scene, because FOR ESPORTS! Yet we still don't know what KeSPA/IEM/MLG are going to do, but we already got all this rage and pitchforks. God forbid thinking that maybe they want to provide a better product than GOM, which not too log ago chastised by this very same community.
I can't agree with you at all... As for all sports, people like to watch how well their country can compete against the world. They want to watch their friends, their local players, their countrymen, and their favorite players compete. The world we live in today is starting to accept eSports, if you only watch Korean eSports then you're assisting in the degration of eSports. You're going to greatly lessen the fan base as well as the potential of success of the game.
People are angry because KeSPA is doing stupid shit over and over again. It's not like this is the first act that's been hated by the community. Your second paragraph there can't even be taken seriously as its so bogus. Yeah KeSPA/IEM/MLG made a partnership, but even still, if you completely monopolize ProLeague to where broadcast networks like OGN can't take part, you're hurting eSports, regardless of whether or not they get their partners to stream it for a cheaper price. You're making sure that a major broadcast network does not take part in broadcasting your league, when you should instead be asking then to broadcast it for you. You want more people to watch, in all scenarios. You don't want for some people to not watch, which is what the result of KeSPA's actions is going to be.
If they want to make a better league, go for it, they were on the right track until this happened and flung themselves back to a negative reputation. Blizzard partnered with GOM because they were the leaders, and they didn't pull a bunch of bullshit like KeSPA did. They didn't partner with them to monopolize the game, it was so eSports could have a better future under a better organization.
But don't start thinking that blizzard doesn't care about MLG or other tournaments. Blizzard could choose to not sanction those tournaments if they start doing stupid monopolizing moves like this, or do something else that's not intended to better the game. There is no reason at all to include blizzard or GOM in this thread. This is about KeSPA throwing out OGN, just like they threw out GOM in the past.
Am I right?
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Well this really sucks, damn it KeSPA you really piss me off every time you do something...
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On December 07 2012 08:29 Broodwurst wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2012 08:24 thekaas wrote:On December 07 2012 08:20 Broodwurst wrote:On December 07 2012 08:08 rasers wrote:On December 07 2012 08:01 jinorazi wrote:On December 07 2012 07:59 Dodgin wrote:On December 07 2012 07:57 jinorazi wrote:
i dont get it, when did sc2 people start loving ogn so much?
it says no ogn's english cast, not no english cast. it seems mlg will be casting the english. If MLG can deliver a broadcast that is not just them casting replays the day after the matches air from their studio with no player/venue/crowd shots I'm sure most people will be fine with that. The problem is the timing, Proleague starts tomorrow and nothing seems to be certain. i say dont be too spoiled...where's the love that kept tlnet going for the decade despite no official english casting. there will be tl members, sayle for example, that can cast the games for us, as they have for the past 10 years. and whats the harm in listening to the korean casters once in awhile, like good o' days ^_^ that love is gone. together with BW. And it got replaced with a state where foreigner teams and tournaments actually matter and so do the interests of foreign fans. AKA this whole "expanding eSports" thing. But sure, let's go back to the old days where only Korea matters. TL won't have a team.There won't be MLG or Dreamhack. There'll be no Tastosis casting Code S. Your logical fallacy is: A Strawman!No one actually want what you just described (nor did they say so). No it isn't because a bigger audience (aka the "not-so-hardcore") goes hand in hand with easy access. Broodwar had a hardcore foreign audience, which was rather small. Now you have a big audience but it's less hardcore. The bigger audience makes everything in foreign SC2 possible (Teams, sponsorship, etc.) which wasn't there in BW.
Again, no one ever said the opposite was true. They were simply saying, that in the event that we CAN'T get an English stream, should that really prevent us from still watch the Proleague, when it hasn't held us back previously?
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This really sucks.
But I understand it from a business point of view.
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On December 07 2012 09:33 thekaas wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2012 08:29 Broodwurst wrote:On December 07 2012 08:24 thekaas wrote:On December 07 2012 08:20 Broodwurst wrote:On December 07 2012 08:08 rasers wrote:On December 07 2012 08:01 jinorazi wrote:On December 07 2012 07:59 Dodgin wrote:On December 07 2012 07:57 jinorazi wrote:
i dont get it, when did sc2 people start loving ogn so much?
it says no ogn's english cast, not no english cast. it seems mlg will be casting the english. If MLG can deliver a broadcast that is not just them casting replays the day after the matches air from their studio with no player/venue/crowd shots I'm sure most people will be fine with that. The problem is the timing, Proleague starts tomorrow and nothing seems to be certain. i say dont be too spoiled...where's the love that kept tlnet going for the decade despite no official english casting. there will be tl members, sayle for example, that can cast the games for us, as they have for the past 10 years. and whats the harm in listening to the korean casters once in awhile, like good o' days ^_^ that love is gone. together with BW. And it got replaced with a state where foreigner teams and tournaments actually matter and so do the interests of foreign fans. AKA this whole "expanding eSports" thing. But sure, let's go back to the old days where only Korea matters. TL won't have a team.There won't be MLG or Dreamhack. There'll be no Tastosis casting Code S. Your logical fallacy is: A Strawman!No one actually want what you just described (nor did they say so). No it isn't because a bigger audience (aka the "not-so-hardcore") goes hand in hand with easy access. Broodwar had a hardcore foreign audience, which was rather small. Now you have a big audience but it's less hardcore. The bigger audience makes everything in foreign SC2 possible (Teams, sponsorship, etc.) which wasn't there in BW. Again, no one ever said the opposite was true. They were simply saying, that in the event that we CAN'T get an English stream, should that really prevent us from still watch the Proleague, when it hasn't held us back previously?
As someone who wasn't there during the "good old BW days", I did not get into sc2 by watching korean streams. I don't speak korean, and I enjoy a good cast almost as much as a good game, so If it's a korean only stream, I simply won't watch. I won't speak for the others, but I believe I'm not the only one in that situation.
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Just need a DeMuslim voiceover cast on his stream and we all guud in the huud.
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On December 07 2012 09:15 Taipoka wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2012 09:10 Shinta) wrote:
If MLG is the one doing the English streams and they send out Axeltoss, there is no way I'm watching pro league.
Letting OGN down when they are trying to show the world they aren't terrible makes me not want to support proleague. Letting MLG stream it is ridiculous enough as an idea, MLG is a tournament, ProLeague is a tournament, why is one tournament casting another tournament? Why isn't a broadcasting company casting it? If KeSPA is going to shorthand OGN, they should already have English casters on board, or say "fuck you international scene" and cast Korean only. There is no reason to get MLG involved, they have no part in this shit.
If they stream only Korean, I might watch some matches, though I'll never stay up to watch. If OGN did English streams, I would stay up to watch them. If MLG does English casts it won't make any sense, and will just be blatant corporate bullshit. If Axeltoss casts the English casts, I'll never watch them because I hate his casting personality.
I feel like if I knew him irl I would dislike and make sure to avoid him, so that makes those streams too hard to watch.
Everything about this last minute situation is completely negative without an ounce of positivity -_-
So much for all the hype ProLeague was working on... Just to correct you about "MLG is a tournament" About MLG
What? All that that says is that they provide content (it's all MLG tournament content), and host tournaments (host tournaments). They have the pro circuit as well as other tournaments, and they provide coverage of them.
That's what any and every tournament organization that has streaming capabilities does.
In other words, MLG is just a tournament.
Smaller MLG tournaments are MLG tournaments, bigger MLG tournaments are MLG tournaments, and MLG coverage consists of MLG tournaments.
They are not a broadcasting company, whom you normally entrust important broadcasting rights to.
I could host a tournament or league with a caster and be everything that MLG is except worse. That's no reason to give me rights to broadcast other tournaments (unless the tournament provider doesn't have enough money to entrust the broadcasting rights with a suitable company, or provide their own broadcasts).
Although they have a partnership, and although some IEM casters cast other invents such as IPL MLG etc, you're not going to see an official IEM stream of MLG tournaments. That doesn't happen, and won't happen, but that's what they are discussing with MLG/ProLeague.
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On December 07 2012 09:40 Elitios wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2012 09:33 thekaas wrote:On December 07 2012 08:29 Broodwurst wrote:On December 07 2012 08:24 thekaas wrote:On December 07 2012 08:20 Broodwurst wrote:On December 07 2012 08:08 rasers wrote:On December 07 2012 08:01 jinorazi wrote:On December 07 2012 07:59 Dodgin wrote:On December 07 2012 07:57 jinorazi wrote:
i dont get it, when did sc2 people start loving ogn so much?
it says no ogn's english cast, not no english cast. it seems mlg will be casting the english. If MLG can deliver a broadcast that is not just them casting replays the day after the matches air from their studio with no player/venue/crowd shots I'm sure most people will be fine with that. The problem is the timing, Proleague starts tomorrow and nothing seems to be certain. i say dont be too spoiled...where's the love that kept tlnet going for the decade despite no official english casting. there will be tl members, sayle for example, that can cast the games for us, as they have for the past 10 years. and whats the harm in listening to the korean casters once in awhile, like good o' days ^_^ that love is gone. together with BW. And it got replaced with a state where foreigner teams and tournaments actually matter and so do the interests of foreign fans. AKA this whole "expanding eSports" thing. But sure, let's go back to the old days where only Korea matters. TL won't have a team.There won't be MLG or Dreamhack. There'll be no Tastosis casting Code S. Your logical fallacy is: A Strawman!No one actually want what you just described (nor did they say so). No it isn't because a bigger audience (aka the "not-so-hardcore") goes hand in hand with easy access. Broodwar had a hardcore foreign audience, which was rather small. Now you have a big audience but it's less hardcore. The bigger audience makes everything in foreign SC2 possible (Teams, sponsorship, etc.) which wasn't there in BW. Again, no one ever said the opposite was true. They were simply saying, that in the event that we CAN'T get an English stream, should that really prevent us from still watch the Proleague, when it hasn't held us back previously? As someone who wasn't there during the "good old BW days", I did not get into sc2 by watching korean streams. I don't speak korean, and I enjoy a good cast almost as much as a good game, so If it's a korean only stream, I simply won't watch. I won't speak for the others, but I believe I'm not the only one in that situation.
can't see whats going on yourself?
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You've got to be kidding me....i was stoked for this.
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On December 07 2012 09:56 Quasimoto3000 wrote:
Where is sayle!!
I would prefer Sayle's commentary over any other English caster.
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Well personally (and I'm sure there are tons of people out there that agree), I'd rather watch the Korean broadcast over every English caster in Korea aside from Tastosis.
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On December 07 2012 09:56 Quasimoto3000 wrote:
Where is sayle!!
I believe Sayle said he wouldn't want to cast SC2 since its kinda boring.
Who knows, maybe we will get lucky.
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Well... this sucks... but it's ok
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Do these people not understand how business works? Especially in a world where SC2 is bigger outside of Korea than in Korea? It will be almost worth it to watch Kespa finally go down in bankrupt flames as they continue to bleed interest and sponsors.
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Where you can access the Korean VODs and stream?
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Let's start a petition asking Sayle to cast this.. SHIT WOULD BE AWESOME.
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EPT
