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PureLuckz
Profile Joined January 2011
United States137 Posts
December 07 2012 01:44 GMT
#681
It's moments like these that I'm happy Riot has such a strangelhold over the LoL scene.

SC2's numbers are dwindling and some organizations are basically at each others throats. How is a fan supposed to be optimistic about the game's future when you have an organization like KESPA cock blocking everyone?
BluePanther
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2776 Posts
December 07 2012 01:51 GMT
#682
If Kespa actually can get an english broadcast, fine. But this seems ad hoc.
i.of.the.storm
Profile Joined April 2009
United States795 Posts
December 07 2012 01:58 GMT
#683
On December 06 2012 21:59 aristarchus wrote:
Does no one in Korea sign contracts? Why didn't OGN have exclusive rights to English broadcasting on paper?


Quoted from the first page for truth, this is just absurd. And I thought OGN was a member of KeSPA?
Maru - The Terran hope is alive!
FLuE
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1012 Posts
December 07 2012 02:04 GMT
#684
Foreign team + no English broadcast = dumbest business move ever?

I get how the business world works and how decisions are made that might not be popular or that companies don't have to work together and get along but this just doesn't add up from a financial standpoint if I'm understanding everything correctly. I get acting irrational if it means making MORE money, but don't when it means less.
Node
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States2159 Posts
December 07 2012 02:13 GMT
#685
This season KeSPA decided to run their own Proleague broadcast initially on weekdays, while OGN ran the weekend broadcast. As far as I know about a week ago KeSPA approached OGN and told them that they'd be running their own stream simultaneously with OGN's on weekends as well.


Man, that is such a dick move. I guess KeSPA never changes.
whole lies with a half smile
Kamikiri
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1319 Posts
December 07 2012 02:22 GMT
#686
I am pissed and I am seriously reconsidering watching anything Kespa related ever again.
SCMethod
Profile Joined November 2012
United States40 Posts
December 07 2012 02:28 GMT
#687
I wish i could understand korean. Damn you kespa!
Disengaged
Profile Joined July 2010
United States6994 Posts
December 07 2012 02:30 GMT
#688
Le sigh.

Kespa is the fail.
Yorbon
Profile Joined December 2011
Netherlands4272 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-07 02:32:29
December 07 2012 02:32 GMT
#689
This induces quite some sighs :/
Laneir
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1160 Posts
December 07 2012 02:39 GMT
#690
crazy news
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Nosferatos
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway783 Posts
December 07 2012 02:43 GMT
#691
Just goes to show how much Kespa needs to catch up with GoM TV.
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VManOfMana
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States764 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-07 03:22:48
December 07 2012 03:20 GMT
#692
On December 07 2012 09:29 Shinta) wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2012 08:40 VManOfMana wrote:
On December 07 2012 08:25 Broodwurst wrote:
On December 07 2012 08:22 rasers wrote:
On December 07 2012 08:20 Broodwurst wrote:
On December 07 2012 08:08 rasers wrote:
On December 07 2012 08:01 jinorazi wrote:
On December 07 2012 07:59 Dodgin wrote:
On December 07 2012 07:57 jinorazi wrote:
i dont get it, when did sc2 people start loving ogn so much?

it says no ogn's english cast, not no english cast. it seems mlg will be casting the english.


If MLG can deliver a broadcast that is not just them casting replays the day after the matches air from their studio with no player/venue/crowd shots I'm sure most people will be fine with that.

The problem is the timing, Proleague starts tomorrow and nothing seems to be certain.


i say dont be too spoiled...where's the love that kept tlnet going for the decade despite no official english casting.
there will be tl members, sayle for example, that can cast the games for us, as they have for the past 10 years.
and whats the harm in listening to the korean casters once in awhile, like good o' days ^_^

that love is gone. together with BW.


And it got replaced with a state where foreigner teams and tournaments actually matter and so do the interests of foreign fans. AKA this whole "expanding eSports" thing.
But sure, let's go back to the old days where only Korea matters. TL won't have a team.There won't be MLG or Dreamhack. There'll be no Tastosis casting Code S.



it got replaced with people caring about shitty players just because they are not korean. yes.

oh and cause Sc2 doesn't matter in korea. ofc~


Make more sense please.



He actually is making sense.

The "FOR ESPORTS" hive mentality has taken over the appreciation of watching Starcraft played at the highest possible level. The respect for the Korean scene was because they were the ones to make it happen, not because they are Korean.

And Blizzard and GOM have been very good at manipulating this sentiment to their favor. No matter how inept they are at designing and balancing SC2, they just meed more time. It's okay if Blizzard/GOM were in cahoots to control the Korean scene, because FOR ESPORTS! Yet we still don't know what KeSPA/IEM/MLG are going to do, but we already got all this rage and pitchforks. God forbid thinking that maybe they want to provide a better product than OGN, which not too log ago chastised by this very same community.


I can't agree with you at all... As for all sports, people like to watch how well their country can compete against the world. They want to watch their friends, their local players, their countrymen, and their favorite players compete. The world we live in today is starting to accept eSports, if you only watch Korean eSports then you're assisting in the degration of eSports. You're going to greatly lessen the fan base as well as the potential of success of the game.

People are angry because KeSPA is doing stupid shit over and over again. It's not like this is the first act that's been hated by the community. Your second paragraph there can't even be taken seriously as its so bogus. Yeah KeSPA/IEM/MLG made a partnership, but even still, if you completely monopolize ProLeague to where broadcast networks like OGN can't take part, you're hurting eSports, regardless of whether or not they get their partners to stream it for a cheaper price. You're making sure that a major broadcast network does not take part in broadcasting your league, when you should instead be asking then to broadcast it for you. You want more people to watch, in all scenarios. You don't want for some people to not watch, which is what the result of KeSPA's actions is going to be.
If they want to make a better league, go for it, they were on the right track until this happened and flung themselves back to a negative reputation. Blizzard partnered with GOM because they were the leaders, and they didn't pull a bunch of bullshit like KeSPA did. They didn't partner with them to monopolize the game, it was so eSports could have a better future under a better organization.
But don't start thinking that blizzard doesn't care about MLG or other tournaments. Blizzard could choose to not sanction those tournaments if they start doing stupid monopolizing moves like this, or do something else that's not intended to better the game. There is no reason at all to include blizzard or GOM in this thread. This is about KeSPA throwing out OGN, just like they threw out GOM in the past.

Am I right?


First, a correction. See bolded in my quoted text. Also corrected in my original post.

Second, my post is more on how I feel the community has changed for the worst: fast to react in the worst possible way, easy to manipulate in the name of ESPORTS, and blatant use of double standards.

I am not defending KeSPA's actions. Frankly, I don't like the idea of KeSPA getting into conflict with one of their major partners. However, I do not use "OGN is pulling off their English Proleague bradcast" to speculate that "there will be no English proleague broadcast" nor "KeSPA is denying OGN rights to broadcast Proleague", nor "all this is a backstab to give MLG monopoly over the English broadcast."

So as of now I simply am on "wait and see". KeSPA might broadcast in English via IEM or MLG, or maybe won't. But whatever happens won't stop me from watching Proleague, either in English, Korean, or some rebroadcast with fan-made commentary, just like I have done it for years. I watch Starcraft for what it is: a game that is played competitively, and it happens the highest level is in Korea. Everything else is a perk, but it is not why I watch Starcraft; I don't watch Starcraft for the sake of ESPORTS.

As of the rest of your post: I don't see in black and white. KeSPA might be overprotective and manipulative over the rights of their teams, players and leagues, but they don't claim ownership of everything Starcraft. On the other hand I do have a big problem with Blizzard trying to control competitive Starcraft and GOM trying to monopolize broadcasting rights via Blizzard. But we can leave that for another thread.
Woo Jung Ho, FIGHTING! | "With the death of BW comes the death of an idea. And that idea, held by many BW fans, was that a computer game could actually outlive the Next New Game cycle. And to some extent it did." -Falling
dragoon
Profile Joined December 2010
United States695 Posts
December 07 2012 03:27 GMT
#693
gogogo sayle!!

regardless i dont really mind. prefer the korean casts most of the time anyways.
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MysticaL
Profile Joined December 2003
Canada118 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-07 03:34:04
December 07 2012 03:30 GMT
#694
Damn, I was looking forward to watching Proleague, especially now that EG & TL joined... I know a lot of the oldschoolers enjoyed the kespa games regardless if it was casted in korean or not... but right now, there are plenty other tournaments that I would rather watch with english commentary, now that we actually have options

But then again, I think I'll stick around for EGTL vs KT LOL
MiniTuk
Profile Joined December 2012
Sweden9 Posts
December 07 2012 03:36 GMT
#695
Why does this happen? Was so looking forward to this weekend and its value was just greatly diminished for me. I dont understand Kespas reasons for this either, all thats gonna happen is that they're gonna lose viewers and money...
''To the bank'' -Stephano
mhael
Profile Joined January 2012
United States102 Posts
December 07 2012 04:05 GMT
#696
I am beginning to hate KeSPA. I hope Flash and Rain move over and start mitigating their reign of terror.
fuzzylogic44
Profile Joined December 2011
Canada2633 Posts
December 07 2012 04:25 GMT
#697
I thought OGN and KeSPA were basically synonymous, guess not
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
December 07 2012 04:44 GMT
#698
if kespa is planning on branching out to the english speaking world with their own internet based casting, then it's only a problem of execution. still pretty fail
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Allonsy
Profile Joined April 2012
Korea (South)32 Posts
December 07 2012 05:06 GMT
#699
I'm Korean, but I am ashamed that such an agency in Korea.
lol
EleanorRIgby
Profile Joined March 2008
Canada3923 Posts
December 07 2012 05:15 GMT
#700
eh if its easy to view the Korean stream and its good quality i wont mind.
savior did nothing wrong
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