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On December 07 2012 08:16 tubs wrote:
Kespa always finds new ways of making me hate them even more.
LOL the irony XD
"people always find new ways of making them hate kespa even more"
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Ouch, I was looking for this being broadcasted in English! I hope things work out and we get an English broadcast somehow, even if it has to be through MLG. KeSPA sure is making a lot of people mad, as it's done for the past couple of years, so shame on them.
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On December 07 2012 08:16 hifriend wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2012 07:56 bduddy wrote:On December 07 2012 06:28 hifriend wrote:
I understand why doa would be pissed since he's out of a job but why is everyone else so riled up? :S Because... people would like Proleague casted in English? Is it really that hard to understand? Sure but why does it have to be OGN casters specifically?
Because there is a huge difference between casters at the venue and casters in some studio somewhere in the world.
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On December 07 2012 08:08 rasers wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2012 08:01 jinorazi wrote:On December 07 2012 07:59 Dodgin wrote:On December 07 2012 07:57 jinorazi wrote:
i dont get it, when did sc2 people start loving ogn so much?
it says no ogn's english cast, not no english cast. it seems mlg will be casting the english. If MLG can deliver a broadcast that is not just them casting replays the day after the matches air from their studio with no player/venue/crowd shots I'm sure most people will be fine with that. The problem is the timing, Proleague starts tomorrow and nothing seems to be certain. i say dont be too spoiled...where's the love that kept tlnet going for the decade despite no official english casting. there will be tl members, sayle for example, that can cast the games for us, as they have for the past 10 years. and whats the harm in listening to the korean casters once in awhile, like good o' days ^_^ that love is gone. together with BW.
And it got replaced with a state where foreigner teams and tournaments actually matter and so do the interests of foreign fans. AKA this whole "expanding eSports" thing.
But sure, let's go back to the old days where only Korea matters. TL won't have a team.There won't be MLG or Dreamhack. There'll be no Tastosis casting Code S.
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The Korean casters tend to be more exciting to listen to, and hardly any of the English ones bring any real knowledge to the table anyway, so personally I'm quite satisfied since this will make finding a Korean stream easier. Unfortunate for those who aren't used to watching non-english BW-streams for years I guess. :q
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On December 07 2012 08:20 Broodwurst wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2012 08:08 rasers wrote:On December 07 2012 08:01 jinorazi wrote:On December 07 2012 07:59 Dodgin wrote:On December 07 2012 07:57 jinorazi wrote:
i dont get it, when did sc2 people start loving ogn so much?
it says no ogn's english cast, not no english cast. it seems mlg will be casting the english. If MLG can deliver a broadcast that is not just them casting replays the day after the matches air from their studio with no player/venue/crowd shots I'm sure most people will be fine with that. The problem is the timing, Proleague starts tomorrow and nothing seems to be certain. i say dont be too spoiled...where's the love that kept tlnet going for the decade despite no official english casting. there will be tl members, sayle for example, that can cast the games for us, as they have for the past 10 years. and whats the harm in listening to the korean casters once in awhile, like good o' days ^_^ that love is gone. together with BW. And it got replaced with a state where foreigner teams and tournaments actually matter and so do the interests of foreign fans. AKA this whole "expanding eSports" thing. But sure, let's go back to the old days where only Korea matters. TL won't have a team.There won't be MLG or Dreamhack. There'll be no Tastosis casting Code S.
it got replaced with people caring about shitty players just because they are not korean. yes.
oh and cause Sc2 doesn't matter in korea. ofc~
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It just seems unprofessional to make decisions or rather announce them on such short notice. Every good business is built on solid planning, not dispatching a business partner 2 days prior to a dead line.
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On December 07 2012 08:20 Broodwurst wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2012 08:08 rasers wrote:On December 07 2012 08:01 jinorazi wrote:On December 07 2012 07:59 Dodgin wrote:On December 07 2012 07:57 jinorazi wrote:
i dont get it, when did sc2 people start loving ogn so much?
it says no ogn's english cast, not no english cast. it seems mlg will be casting the english. If MLG can deliver a broadcast that is not just them casting replays the day after the matches air from their studio with no player/venue/crowd shots I'm sure most people will be fine with that. The problem is the timing, Proleague starts tomorrow and nothing seems to be certain. i say dont be too spoiled...where's the love that kept tlnet going for the decade despite no official english casting. there will be tl members, sayle for example, that can cast the games for us, as they have for the past 10 years. and whats the harm in listening to the korean casters once in awhile, like good o' days ^_^ that love is gone. together with BW. And it got replaced with a state where foreigner teams and tournaments actually matter and so do the interests of foreign fans. AKA this whole "expanding eSports" thing. But sure, let's go back to the old days where only Korea matters. TL won't have a team.There won't be MLG or Dreamhack. There'll be no Tastosis casting Code S.
Your logical fallacy is: A Strawman!
No one actually want what you just described (nor did they say so).
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On December 07 2012 08:22 rasers wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2012 08:20 Broodwurst wrote:On December 07 2012 08:08 rasers wrote:On December 07 2012 08:01 jinorazi wrote:On December 07 2012 07:59 Dodgin wrote:On December 07 2012 07:57 jinorazi wrote:
i dont get it, when did sc2 people start loving ogn so much?
it says no ogn's english cast, not no english cast. it seems mlg will be casting the english. If MLG can deliver a broadcast that is not just them casting replays the day after the matches air from their studio with no player/venue/crowd shots I'm sure most people will be fine with that. The problem is the timing, Proleague starts tomorrow and nothing seems to be certain. i say dont be too spoiled...where's the love that kept tlnet going for the decade despite no official english casting. there will be tl members, sayle for example, that can cast the games for us, as they have for the past 10 years. and whats the harm in listening to the korean casters once in awhile, like good o' days ^_^ that love is gone. together with BW. And it got replaced with a state where foreigner teams and tournaments actually matter and so do the interests of foreign fans. AKA this whole "expanding eSports" thing. But sure, let's go back to the old days where only Korea matters. TL won't have a team.There won't be MLG or Dreamhack. There'll be no Tastosis casting Code S. it got replaced with people caring about shitty players just because they are not korean. yes. oh and cause Sc2 doesn't matter in korea. ofc~
Make more sense please.
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On December 07 2012 08:24 thekaas wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2012 08:20 Broodwurst wrote:On December 07 2012 08:08 rasers wrote:On December 07 2012 08:01 jinorazi wrote:On December 07 2012 07:59 Dodgin wrote:On December 07 2012 07:57 jinorazi wrote:
i dont get it, when did sc2 people start loving ogn so much?
it says no ogn's english cast, not no english cast. it seems mlg will be casting the english. If MLG can deliver a broadcast that is not just them casting replays the day after the matches air from their studio with no player/venue/crowd shots I'm sure most people will be fine with that. The problem is the timing, Proleague starts tomorrow and nothing seems to be certain. i say dont be too spoiled...where's the love that kept tlnet going for the decade despite no official english casting. there will be tl members, sayle for example, that can cast the games for us, as they have for the past 10 years. and whats the harm in listening to the korean casters once in awhile, like good o' days ^_^ that love is gone. together with BW. And it got replaced with a state where foreigner teams and tournaments actually matter and so do the interests of foreign fans. AKA this whole "expanding eSports" thing. But sure, let's go back to the old days where only Korea matters. TL won't have a team.There won't be MLG or Dreamhack. There'll be no Tastosis casting Code S. Your logical fallacy is: A Strawman!No one actually want what you just described (nor did they say so).
No it isn't because a bigger audience (aka the "not-so-hardcore") goes hand in hand with easy access. Broodwar had a hardcore foreign audience, which was rather small. Now you have a big audience but it's less hardcore. The bigger audience makes everything in foreign SC2 possible (Teams, sponsorship, etc.) which wasn't there in BW.
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It says alot about the buisness practice when a longterm reliable partner gets fucked up for the new american friend. I don't know what part MLG plays here and we'll probably never do so, but OGN just takes another place in the row of companies that got fucked by Kespa. It's not that I was interested in Pro League anyway very much, but Kespa's buisness methods are just remarkable.
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On December 07 2012 08:25 Broodwurst wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2012 08:22 rasers wrote:On December 07 2012 08:20 Broodwurst wrote:On December 07 2012 08:08 rasers wrote:On December 07 2012 08:01 jinorazi wrote:On December 07 2012 07:59 Dodgin wrote:On December 07 2012 07:57 jinorazi wrote:
i dont get it, when did sc2 people start loving ogn so much?
it says no ogn's english cast, not no english cast. it seems mlg will be casting the english. If MLG can deliver a broadcast that is not just them casting replays the day after the matches air from their studio with no player/venue/crowd shots I'm sure most people will be fine with that. The problem is the timing, Proleague starts tomorrow and nothing seems to be certain. i say dont be too spoiled...where's the love that kept tlnet going for the decade despite no official english casting. there will be tl members, sayle for example, that can cast the games for us, as they have for the past 10 years. and whats the harm in listening to the korean casters once in awhile, like good o' days ^_^ that love is gone. together with BW. And it got replaced with a state where foreigner teams and tournaments actually matter and so do the interests of foreign fans. AKA this whole "expanding eSports" thing. But sure, let's go back to the old days where only Korea matters. TL won't have a team.There won't be MLG or Dreamhack. There'll be no Tastosis casting Code S. it got replaced with people caring about shitty players just because they are not korean. yes. oh and cause Sc2 doesn't matter in korea. ofc~ Make more sense please.
He actually is making sense.
The "FOR ESPORTS" hive mentality has taken over the appreciation of watching Starcraft played at the highest possible level. The respect for the Korean scene was because they were the ones to make it happen, not because they are Korean.
And Blizzard and GOM have been very good at manipulating this sentiment to their favor. No matter how inept they are at designing and balancing SC2, they just meed more time. It's okay if Blizzard/GOM were in cahoots to control the Korean scene, because FOR ESPORTS! Yet we still don't know what KeSPA/IEM/MLG are going to do, but we already got all this rage and pitchforks. God forbid thinking that maybe they want to provide a better product than OGN, which not too log ago chastised by this very same community.
Edit: correction
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Someone will have to explain to me how can they still behave like this in the sc2 world where they don't have a monopoly on neither the players nor the tourneys.
Sad news DoA, hope you will find a way to be compensated.
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On December 07 2012 08:48 Elitios wrote:
Someone will have to explain to me how can they still behave like this in the sc2 world where they don't have a monopoly on neither the players nor the tourneys.
Sad news DoA, hope you will find a way to be compensated.
They have the players.
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On December 07 2012 08:40 VManOfMana wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2012 08:25 Broodwurst wrote:On December 07 2012 08:22 rasers wrote:On December 07 2012 08:20 Broodwurst wrote:On December 07 2012 08:08 rasers wrote:On December 07 2012 08:01 jinorazi wrote:On December 07 2012 07:59 Dodgin wrote:On December 07 2012 07:57 jinorazi wrote:
i dont get it, when did sc2 people start loving ogn so much?
it says no ogn's english cast, not no english cast. it seems mlg will be casting the english. If MLG can deliver a broadcast that is not just them casting replays the day after the matches air from their studio with no player/venue/crowd shots I'm sure most people will be fine with that. The problem is the timing, Proleague starts tomorrow and nothing seems to be certain. i say dont be too spoiled...where's the love that kept tlnet going for the decade despite no official english casting. there will be tl members, sayle for example, that can cast the games for us, as they have for the past 10 years. and whats the harm in listening to the korean casters once in awhile, like good o' days ^_^ that love is gone. together with BW. And it got replaced with a state where foreigner teams and tournaments actually matter and so do the interests of foreign fans. AKA this whole "expanding eSports" thing. But sure, let's go back to the old days where only Korea matters. TL won't have a team.There won't be MLG or Dreamhack. There'll be no Tastosis casting Code S. it got replaced with people caring about shitty players just because they are not korean. yes. oh and cause Sc2 doesn't matter in korea. ofc~ Make more sense please. He actually is making sense. The "FOR ESPORTS" hive mentality has taken over the appreciation of watching Starcraft played at the highest possible level. The respect for the Korean scene was because they were the ones to make it happen, not because they are Korean. And Blizzard and GOM have been very good at manipulating this sentiment to their favor. We still don't know what KeSPA/IEM/MLG are going to do, but we already got all this rage and pitchforks. God forbid thinking that maybe they want to provide a better product than GOM, which not too log ago chastised for not pandering as well as GOM.
1. If everyone only cared about the highest level of play 99% of teams wouldn't have an audience, This would instantly kill any sport. ("kill" as in = only a small hardcore audience watching. If you want that say so.)
2. What has GOM to do with any of this?
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I don't get it, why have a foreigner team enter and then NOT cast in english. It has so much potential. It makes no sense. I will be really disappointed if I can't catch the matches live but mostly via vod's. It would make sense though that MLG cast the games since they have a partnership thing going on and it is less threatening to kespa than if OGN casts.
I'm sorry for Doa and all the people that worked hard until now just to be told to go home. I'm upset and I want to know more of what's going on. I want to watch but I won't watch the korean stream, I think.
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Seems like OGN was the one who decided to cancel the English casts, amazing how quickly everyone jumps to hate on KeSPA.
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If MLG is the one doing the English streams and they send out Axeltoss, there is no way I'm watching pro league.
Letting OGN down when they are trying to show the world they aren't terrible makes me not want to support proleague. Letting MLG stream it is ridiculous enough as an idea, MLG is a tournament, ProLeague is a tournament, why is one tournament casting another tournament? Why isn't a broadcasting company casting it? If KeSPA is going to shorthand OGN, they should already have English casters on board, or say "fuck you international scene" and cast Korean only. There is no reason to get MLG involved, they have no part in this shit.
If they stream only Korean, I might watch some matches, though I'll never stay up to watch. If OGN did English streams, I would stay up to watch them. If MLG does English casts it won't make any sense, and will just be blatant corporate bullshit. If Axeltoss casts the English casts, I'll never watch them because I hate his casting personality.
I feel like if I knew him irl I would dislike and make sure to avoid him, so that makes those streams too hard to watch.
Everything about this last minute situation is completely negative without an ounce of positivity -_-
So much for all the hype ProLeague was working on...
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Pro league without DOA isnt pro league at all!
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EPT
