• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 00:38
CET 06:38
KST 14:38
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
SC2 All-Star Invitational: Tournament Preview5RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview8RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2
Community News
Weekly Cups (Jan 12-18): herO, MaxPax, Solar win0BSL Season 2025 - Full Overview and Conclusion6Weekly Cups (Jan 5-11): Clem wins big offline, Trigger upsets4$21,000 Rongyi Cup Season 3 announced (Jan 22-Feb 7)16Weekly Cups (Dec 29-Jan 4): Protoss rolls, 2v2 returns7
StarCraft 2
General
PhD study /w SC2 - help with a survey! When will we find out if there are more tournament Weekly Cups (Jan 12-18): herO, MaxPax, Solar win I am looking for StarCraft 2 Beta Patch files Stellar Fest "01" Jersey Charity Auction
Tourneys
$70 Prize Pool Ladder Legends Academy Weekly Open! SC2 All-Star Invitational: Jan 17-18 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament SC2 AI Tournament 2026 $21,000 Rongyi Cup Season 3 announced (Jan 22-Feb 7)
Strategy
Simple Questions Simple Answers
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 509 Doomsday Report Mutation # 508 Violent Night Mutation # 507 Well Trained Mutation # 506 Warp Zone
Brood War
General
[ASL21] Potential Map Candidates Gypsy to Korea Video Footage from 2005: The Birth of G2 in Spain BW General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] Non-Korean Championship - Starts Jan 10 Small VOD Thread 2.0 Azhi's Colosseum - Season 2
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2 Game Theory for Starcraft Current Meta
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Battle Aces/David Kim RTS Megathread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Beyond All Reason Awesome Games Done Quick 2026!
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread NASA and the Private Sector Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club! The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Navigating the Risks and Rew…
TrAiDoS
My 2025 Magic: The Gathering…
DARKING
Life Update and thoughts.
FuDDx
How do archons sleep?
8882
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2207 users

No English OGN broadcast for SK Planet Proleague? - Page 33

Forum Index > SC2 General
733 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 31 32 33 34 35 37 Next All
jinorazi
Profile Joined October 2004
Korea (South)4948 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-06 23:20:39
December 06 2012 23:18 GMT
#641
On December 07 2012 08:16 tubs wrote:
Kespa always finds new ways of making me hate them even more.


LOL the irony XD

"people always find new ways of making them hate kespa even more"
age: 84 | location: california | sex: 잘함
RiceAgainst
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States1849 Posts
December 06 2012 23:19 GMT
#642
Ouch, I was looking for this being broadcasted in English! I hope things work out and we get an English broadcast somehow, even if it has to be through MLG. KeSPA sure is making a lot of people mad, as it's done for the past couple of years, so shame on them.
et
Profile Joined September 2010
Switzerland367 Posts
December 06 2012 23:19 GMT
#643
On December 07 2012 08:16 hifriend wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2012 07:56 bduddy wrote:
On December 07 2012 06:28 hifriend wrote:
I understand why doa would be pissed since he's out of a job but why is everyone else so riled up? :S
Because... people would like Proleague casted in English? Is it really that hard to understand?

Sure but why does it have to be OGN casters specifically?

Because there is a huge difference between casters at the venue and casters in some studio somewhere in the world.
Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong. -- H. L. Mencken
Broodwurst
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany1586 Posts
December 06 2012 23:20 GMT
#644
On December 07 2012 08:08 rasers wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2012 08:01 jinorazi wrote:
On December 07 2012 07:59 Dodgin wrote:
On December 07 2012 07:57 jinorazi wrote:
i dont get it, when did sc2 people start loving ogn so much?

it says no ogn's english cast, not no english cast. it seems mlg will be casting the english.


If MLG can deliver a broadcast that is not just them casting replays the day after the matches air from their studio with no player/venue/crowd shots I'm sure most people will be fine with that.

The problem is the timing, Proleague starts tomorrow and nothing seems to be certain.


i say dont be too spoiled...where's the love that kept tlnet going for the decade despite no official english casting.
there will be tl members, sayle for example, that can cast the games for us, as they have for the past 10 years.
and whats the harm in listening to the korean casters once in awhile, like good o' days ^_^

that love is gone. together with BW.


And it got replaced with a state where foreigner teams and tournaments actually matter and so do the interests of foreign fans. AKA this whole "expanding eSports" thing.
But sure, let's go back to the old days where only Korea matters. TL won't have a team.There won't be MLG or Dreamhack. There'll be no Tastosis casting Code S.


Fanboys = (ウ╹◡╹)ウ /// I like smiley faces
sushiman
Profile Joined September 2003
Sweden2691 Posts
December 06 2012 23:21 GMT
#645
The Korean casters tend to be more exciting to listen to, and hardly any of the English ones bring any real knowledge to the table anyway, so personally I'm quite satisfied since this will make finding a Korean stream easier. Unfortunate for those who aren't used to watching non-english BW-streams for years I guess. :q
1000 at least.
rasers
Profile Joined February 2010
Sweden691 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-06 23:23:27
December 06 2012 23:22 GMT
#646
On December 07 2012 08:20 Broodwurst wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2012 08:08 rasers wrote:
On December 07 2012 08:01 jinorazi wrote:
On December 07 2012 07:59 Dodgin wrote:
On December 07 2012 07:57 jinorazi wrote:
i dont get it, when did sc2 people start loving ogn so much?

it says no ogn's english cast, not no english cast. it seems mlg will be casting the english.


If MLG can deliver a broadcast that is not just them casting replays the day after the matches air from their studio with no player/venue/crowd shots I'm sure most people will be fine with that.

The problem is the timing, Proleague starts tomorrow and nothing seems to be certain.


i say dont be too spoiled...where's the love that kept tlnet going for the decade despite no official english casting.
there will be tl members, sayle for example, that can cast the games for us, as they have for the past 10 years.
and whats the harm in listening to the korean casters once in awhile, like good o' days ^_^

that love is gone. together with BW.


And it got replaced with a state where foreigner teams and tournaments actually matter and so do the interests of foreign fans. AKA this whole "expanding eSports" thing.
But sure, let's go back to the old days where only Korea matters. TL won't have a team.There won't be MLG or Dreamhack. There'll be no Tastosis casting Code S.



it got replaced with people caring about shitty players just because they are not korean. yes.

oh and cause Sc2 doesn't matter in korea. ofc~
MIKster
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany333 Posts
December 06 2012 23:22 GMT
#647
It just seems unprofessional to make decisions or rather announce them on such short notice. Every good business is built on solid planning, not dispatching a business partner 2 days prior to a dead line.
Munich StarCraft & BarCraft | www.munich-starcraft.de
thekaas
Profile Joined July 2011
Denmark235 Posts
December 06 2012 23:24 GMT
#648
On December 07 2012 08:20 Broodwurst wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2012 08:08 rasers wrote:
On December 07 2012 08:01 jinorazi wrote:
On December 07 2012 07:59 Dodgin wrote:
On December 07 2012 07:57 jinorazi wrote:
i dont get it, when did sc2 people start loving ogn so much?

it says no ogn's english cast, not no english cast. it seems mlg will be casting the english.


If MLG can deliver a broadcast that is not just them casting replays the day after the matches air from their studio with no player/venue/crowd shots I'm sure most people will be fine with that.

The problem is the timing, Proleague starts tomorrow and nothing seems to be certain.


i say dont be too spoiled...where's the love that kept tlnet going for the decade despite no official english casting.
there will be tl members, sayle for example, that can cast the games for us, as they have for the past 10 years.
and whats the harm in listening to the korean casters once in awhile, like good o' days ^_^

that love is gone. together with BW.


And it got replaced with a state where foreigner teams and tournaments actually matter and so do the interests of foreign fans. AKA this whole "expanding eSports" thing.
But sure, let's go back to the old days where only Korea matters. TL won't have a team.There won't be MLG or Dreamhack. There'll be no Tastosis casting Code S.



Your logical fallacy is: A Strawman!
No one actually want what you just described (nor did they say so).
My liquibets are slightly better than flipping a coin
Broodwurst
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany1586 Posts
December 06 2012 23:25 GMT
#649
On December 07 2012 08:22 rasers wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2012 08:20 Broodwurst wrote:
On December 07 2012 08:08 rasers wrote:
On December 07 2012 08:01 jinorazi wrote:
On December 07 2012 07:59 Dodgin wrote:
On December 07 2012 07:57 jinorazi wrote:
i dont get it, when did sc2 people start loving ogn so much?

it says no ogn's english cast, not no english cast. it seems mlg will be casting the english.


If MLG can deliver a broadcast that is not just them casting replays the day after the matches air from their studio with no player/venue/crowd shots I'm sure most people will be fine with that.

The problem is the timing, Proleague starts tomorrow and nothing seems to be certain.


i say dont be too spoiled...where's the love that kept tlnet going for the decade despite no official english casting.
there will be tl members, sayle for example, that can cast the games for us, as they have for the past 10 years.
and whats the harm in listening to the korean casters once in awhile, like good o' days ^_^

that love is gone. together with BW.


And it got replaced with a state where foreigner teams and tournaments actually matter and so do the interests of foreign fans. AKA this whole "expanding eSports" thing.
But sure, let's go back to the old days where only Korea matters. TL won't have a team.There won't be MLG or Dreamhack. There'll be no Tastosis casting Code S.



it got replaced with people caring about shitty players just because they are not korean. yes.

oh and cause Sc2 doesn't matter in korea. ofc~


Make more sense please.

Fanboys = (ウ╹◡╹)ウ /// I like smiley faces
Broodwurst
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany1586 Posts
December 06 2012 23:29 GMT
#650
On December 07 2012 08:24 thekaas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2012 08:20 Broodwurst wrote:
On December 07 2012 08:08 rasers wrote:
On December 07 2012 08:01 jinorazi wrote:
On December 07 2012 07:59 Dodgin wrote:
On December 07 2012 07:57 jinorazi wrote:
i dont get it, when did sc2 people start loving ogn so much?

it says no ogn's english cast, not no english cast. it seems mlg will be casting the english.


If MLG can deliver a broadcast that is not just them casting replays the day after the matches air from their studio with no player/venue/crowd shots I'm sure most people will be fine with that.

The problem is the timing, Proleague starts tomorrow and nothing seems to be certain.


i say dont be too spoiled...where's the love that kept tlnet going for the decade despite no official english casting.
there will be tl members, sayle for example, that can cast the games for us, as they have for the past 10 years.
and whats the harm in listening to the korean casters once in awhile, like good o' days ^_^

that love is gone. together with BW.


And it got replaced with a state where foreigner teams and tournaments actually matter and so do the interests of foreign fans. AKA this whole "expanding eSports" thing.
But sure, let's go back to the old days where only Korea matters. TL won't have a team.There won't be MLG or Dreamhack. There'll be no Tastosis casting Code S.



Your logical fallacy is: A Strawman!
No one actually want what you just described (nor did they say so).


No it isn't because a bigger audience (aka the "not-so-hardcore") goes hand in hand with easy access. Broodwar had a hardcore foreign audience, which was rather small. Now you have a big audience but it's less hardcore. The bigger audience makes everything in foreign SC2 possible (Teams, sponsorship, etc.) which wasn't there in BW.
Fanboys = (ウ╹◡╹)ウ /// I like smiley faces
TeeTS
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany2762 Posts
December 06 2012 23:29 GMT
#651
It says alot about the buisness practice when a longterm reliable partner gets fucked up for the new american friend. I don't know what part MLG plays here and we'll probably never do so, but OGN just takes another place in the row of companies that got fucked by Kespa. It's not that I was interested in Pro League anyway very much, but Kespa's buisness methods are just remarkable.
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
December 06 2012 23:39 GMT
#652
Classic Kespa.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
VManOfMana
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States764 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-07 02:05:01
December 06 2012 23:40 GMT
#653
On December 07 2012 08:25 Broodwurst wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2012 08:22 rasers wrote:
On December 07 2012 08:20 Broodwurst wrote:
On December 07 2012 08:08 rasers wrote:
On December 07 2012 08:01 jinorazi wrote:
On December 07 2012 07:59 Dodgin wrote:
On December 07 2012 07:57 jinorazi wrote:
i dont get it, when did sc2 people start loving ogn so much?

it says no ogn's english cast, not no english cast. it seems mlg will be casting the english.


If MLG can deliver a broadcast that is not just them casting replays the day after the matches air from their studio with no player/venue/crowd shots I'm sure most people will be fine with that.

The problem is the timing, Proleague starts tomorrow and nothing seems to be certain.


i say dont be too spoiled...where's the love that kept tlnet going for the decade despite no official english casting.
there will be tl members, sayle for example, that can cast the games for us, as they have for the past 10 years.
and whats the harm in listening to the korean casters once in awhile, like good o' days ^_^

that love is gone. together with BW.


And it got replaced with a state where foreigner teams and tournaments actually matter and so do the interests of foreign fans. AKA this whole "expanding eSports" thing.
But sure, let's go back to the old days where only Korea matters. TL won't have a team.There won't be MLG or Dreamhack. There'll be no Tastosis casting Code S.



it got replaced with people caring about shitty players just because they are not korean. yes.

oh and cause Sc2 doesn't matter in korea. ofc~


Make more sense please.



He actually is making sense.

The "FOR ESPORTS" hive mentality has taken over the appreciation of watching Starcraft played at the highest possible level. The respect for the Korean scene was because they were the ones to make it happen, not because they are Korean.

And Blizzard and GOM have been very good at manipulating this sentiment to their favor. No matter how inept they are at designing and balancing SC2, they just meed more time. It's okay if Blizzard/GOM were in cahoots to control the Korean scene, because FOR ESPORTS! Yet we still don't know what KeSPA/IEM/MLG are going to do, but we already got all this rage and pitchforks. God forbid thinking that maybe they want to provide a better product than OGN, which not too log ago chastised by this very same community.

Edit: correction
Woo Jung Ho, FIGHTING! | "With the death of BW comes the death of an idea. And that idea, held by many BW fans, was that a computer game could actually outlive the Next New Game cycle. And to some extent it did." -Falling
Elitios
Profile Joined February 2012
France164 Posts
December 06 2012 23:48 GMT
#654
Someone will have to explain to me how can they still behave like this in the sc2 world where they don't have a monopoly on neither the players nor the tourneys.
Sad news DoA, hope you will find a way to be compensated.
rasers
Profile Joined February 2010
Sweden691 Posts
December 06 2012 23:50 GMT
#655
On December 07 2012 08:48 Elitios wrote:
Someone will have to explain to me how can they still behave like this in the sc2 world where they don't have a monopoly on neither the players nor the tourneys.
Sad news DoA, hope you will find a way to be compensated.

They have the players.
Broodwurst
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany1586 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-06 23:52:50
December 06 2012 23:52 GMT
#656
On December 07 2012 08:40 VManOfMana wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2012 08:25 Broodwurst wrote:
On December 07 2012 08:22 rasers wrote:
On December 07 2012 08:20 Broodwurst wrote:
On December 07 2012 08:08 rasers wrote:
On December 07 2012 08:01 jinorazi wrote:
On December 07 2012 07:59 Dodgin wrote:
On December 07 2012 07:57 jinorazi wrote:
i dont get it, when did sc2 people start loving ogn so much?

it says no ogn's english cast, not no english cast. it seems mlg will be casting the english.


If MLG can deliver a broadcast that is not just them casting replays the day after the matches air from their studio with no player/venue/crowd shots I'm sure most people will be fine with that.

The problem is the timing, Proleague starts tomorrow and nothing seems to be certain.


i say dont be too spoiled...where's the love that kept tlnet going for the decade despite no official english casting.
there will be tl members, sayle for example, that can cast the games for us, as they have for the past 10 years.
and whats the harm in listening to the korean casters once in awhile, like good o' days ^_^

that love is gone. together with BW.


And it got replaced with a state where foreigner teams and tournaments actually matter and so do the interests of foreign fans. AKA this whole "expanding eSports" thing.
But sure, let's go back to the old days where only Korea matters. TL won't have a team.There won't be MLG or Dreamhack. There'll be no Tastosis casting Code S.



it got replaced with people caring about shitty players just because they are not korean. yes.

oh and cause Sc2 doesn't matter in korea. ofc~


Make more sense please.



He actually is making sense.

The "FOR ESPORTS" hive mentality has taken over the appreciation of watching Starcraft played at the highest possible level. The respect for the Korean scene was because they were the ones to make it happen, not because they are Korean.

And Blizzard and GOM have been very good at manipulating this sentiment to their favor. We still don't know what KeSPA/IEM/MLG are going to do, but we already got all this rage and pitchforks. God forbid thinking that maybe they want to provide a better product than GOM, which not too log ago chastised for not pandering as well as GOM.


1. If everyone only cared about the highest level of play 99% of teams wouldn't have an audience, This would instantly kill any sport. ("kill" as in = only a small hardcore audience watching. If you want that say so.)
2. What has GOM to do with any of this?
Fanboys = (ウ╹◡╹)ウ /// I like smiley faces
MarcusWC
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada55 Posts
December 07 2012 00:06 GMT
#657
I don't get it, why have a foreigner team enter and then NOT cast in english. It has so much potential. It makes no sense. I will be really disappointed if I can't catch the matches live but mostly via vod's. It would make sense though that MLG cast the games since they have a partnership thing going on and it is less threatening to kespa than if OGN casts.

I'm sorry for Doa and all the people that worked hard until now just to be told to go home. I'm upset and I want to know more of what's going on. I want to watch but I won't watch the korean stream, I think.
iamho
Profile Joined June 2009
United States3347 Posts
December 07 2012 00:06 GMT
#658
Seems like OGN was the one who decided to cancel the English casts, amazing how quickly everyone jumps to hate on KeSPA.
Shinta)
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1716 Posts
December 07 2012 00:10 GMT
#659
If MLG is the one doing the English streams and they send out Axeltoss, there is no way I'm watching pro league.
Letting OGN down when they are trying to show the world they aren't terrible makes me not want to support proleague. Letting MLG stream it is ridiculous enough as an idea, MLG is a tournament, ProLeague is a tournament, why is one tournament casting another tournament? Why isn't a broadcasting company casting it? If KeSPA is going to shorthand OGN, they should already have English casters on board, or say "fuck you international scene" and cast Korean only. There is no reason to get MLG involved, they have no part in this shit.

If they stream only Korean, I might watch some matches, though I'll never stay up to watch. If OGN did English streams, I would stay up to watch them. If MLG does English casts it won't make any sense, and will just be blatant corporate bullshit. If Axeltoss casts the English casts, I'll never watch them because I hate his casting personality.
I feel like if I knew him irl I would dislike and make sure to avoid him, so that makes those streams too hard to watch.

Everything about this last minute situation is completely negative without an ounce of positivity -_-
So much for all the hype ProLeague was working on...
Suteki Da Ne 素敵だね Isn't it Wonderful
Deathmanbob
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2356 Posts
December 07 2012 00:13 GMT
#660
Pro league without DOA isnt pro league at all!
No Artosis, you are robin
Prev 1 31 32 33 34 35 37 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 5h 22m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
WinterStarcraft324
RuFF_SC2 228
StarCraft: Brood War
Stork 1323
GuemChi 1158
Aegong 369
Snow 136
Shine 126
ZergMaN 70
Hm[arnc] 60
Shuttle 56
GoRush 26
ajuk12(nOOB) 15
[ Show more ]
Bale 12
NaDa 10
Icarus 8
Dota 2
NeuroSwarm155
League of Legends
JimRising 795
C9.Mang0636
Counter-Strike
m0e_tv286
Other Games
summit1g6667
monkeys_forever308
XaKoH 240
Organizations
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 19 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH189
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Migwel
• intothetv
• Laughngamez YouTube
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
StarCraft: Brood War
• RayReign 32
• Diggity3
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota22042
League of Legends
• Scarra1575
• Lourlo1134
• Rush1110
• Stunt215
Upcoming Events
OSC
5h 22m
Shameless vs MaNa
Nicoract vs Percival
Krystianer vs TBD
Cure vs SHIN
PiGosaur Monday
19h 22m
The PondCast
1d 4h
OSC
1d 5h
Big Brain Bouts
3 days
Serral vs TBD
BSL 21
4 days
BSL 21
5 days
Wardi Open
6 days
Monday Night Weeklies
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

IPSL Winter 2025-26
SC2 All-Star Inv. 2025
NA Kuram Kup

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
OSC Championship Season 13
Underdog Cup #3
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S1: W5
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
Rongyi Cup S3
Nations Cup 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.