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Crank and MMA's accounts regarding SlayerS - Page 52
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Shival
Netherlands643 Posts
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Shival
Netherlands643 Posts
On October 23 2012 11:49 m4inbrain wrote: You again. ^^ Im getting lost now, i dont even know if i got something wrong now. Maybe i should just let it rest and watch the rest of the Day9daily, then go to sleep. Haha, well if it makes a difference, you were using for the most part my correct meaning. You only got caught by someone I can't remember the name of on semantics. | ||
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Canucklehead
Canada5074 Posts
Slayers Jessica When Boxer told him he's still a player under contract, MMA said that wasn't a real contract, but just a slave contract. The contracts we have for our players are for presenting to sponsors, and have 1 year durations with a prize winnings share, but in actuality we didn't take a cut, as the purpose of the contracts was never to make money. In the moment he called that a slave contract, we thought it to be absurd. The player who had signed contracts were 5 players, including MMA and Ganzi. MMA Mma: yes, Jessica said in her interview that there was no splitting of the prizes from individual events but told us to split the money because of ‘coach ryu’s wages and player maintenance funds’ at the time, cella received some portion of player’s foreign prize winnings (less than ~$1000 USD). Jessica said to give a portion of the winnings from foreign events. So as agreed on the contract, we sent a portion of the winnings to an account Jessica provided. After this, nothing changed still. About an hour after Jessica told ryu the aforementioned statement, she called me and crank to her house. Boxer and Jessica told me everything and me and crank talked of the discontent that we had. At the end, Jessica said that ‘lets nullify the contract right now’ and asked if we wanted to rip our contracts, but I didn’t want to. We were returned the money that we paid after a week. MMA says that they did at one time collect money from the players and he even said they sent money to an account jessica provided. However, he then says, that this money was returned to the players eventually at a later date. So here is another case of jessica telling a half truth. Yes, in the end Jessica never kept any of this money from the players, so it's true that she never collected any money from the players, but she did in fact collect it from them at one point, but returned it later. It's the same tactic she used in the MMA transfer fee, only showing the very last result of giving MMA away for free to TL and leaving out asking for a transfer fee earlier. | ||
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zefreak
United States2731 Posts
The particulars of the situation aren't important. It just comes down to who's personality you like for most people. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
 ...Why does every Lennon have to have an Ono? | ||
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silent_owl
Philippines3098 Posts
I still think Boxer deserved better treatment and I commend him that he's still remaining silent over this issue. It goes to show that he is thinking this issue through. Jessica may have made a lot of mistakes as MMA, Crank and all the rest but I'm sure they all did the best they can. I hope this is a learning experience for all parties involved and I hope that this helps them all grow as people and as a part of e-sports. With the emotional investment they all had in the team, I guess when things went wrong, it was only natural that they'd all be really emotionally damaged by everything with Jessica going public about the team's problems, MMA with the "slave notes" and all that. Now, I respect MMA for addressing this issue and apologizing for what he needed to apologize for. I also respect Coach Won for stepping down and acknowledging his own faults. Hopefully, eSF will make concrete policies in dealing with issues such as this. As for Jessica, I do respect her for stepping out and fearlessly giving her side of the story, going tooth and nail to defend her and Boxer's honor. Now, I think I'd respect her more if she acknowledged that although she did the best she could (which I believe she did), she also acknowledge that also made mistakes. As for Cella and Crank, I still don't like Crank but I've always respected Cella a great deal. It always warmed my heart seeing him go into the booth in between SlayerS players' sets. I hope he doesn't lose his dedication to e-sports. Who knows, maybe Boxer would hire him as an assistant in SKT T1. Even though I admit I sided with Boxer and Jessica at the beginning of all this, as e-sports fans, let's all give them respect and hope for reconciliation between them in the future. Boxer, Jessica, MMA, and Cella FIGHTING! | ||
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m4inbrain
1505 Posts
On October 23 2012 11:51 Shival wrote: Haha, well if it makes a difference, you were using for the most part my correct meaning. You only got caught by someone I can't remember the name of on semantics. Well, thats good enough for me. But i guess i am really tired, so i will actually go to bed after the daily. 5 o'clock again, that stupid drama deprives me of so much sleep, its not even funny anymore. And i don't care if i phrased that wrong. ._. Thanks again for helping me out on the racetrack-matter, have a nice, uhm, morning i guess.  | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On October 23 2012 11:36 Shival wrote: Whatever happens in the world of Starcraft is not of sufficient statistical value to give any weight to the matter of psychological influence. Just too few examples. Which is exactly why it's wrong to use a broad, large scale statistical findings to settle arguments concerning a tiny space (in comparison). May I also recommend Running Man to you for entertainment value? I shall certainly Google it! | ||
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Disengaged
United States6994 Posts
On October 23 2012 11:49 lambac0re wrote: Alright, comments like this are really starting to irk me. Let's take a look at Slayers history. Boxer founded the team with Jessica's support. There are multiple documented sources that suggest that if it weren't for Jessica, Boxer wouldn't even have switched into SC2. Let's also not forget all the success that Slayers has achieved - including TWO GSTL championships, a feat that no team has yet been able to duplicate. Who was the manger of the team during all this time? That's right Jessica. Even when times got tough and and shit started hitting the fan, when Boxer wanted to quit completely, who was it that suggested he transfer to SK Telecom T1 to recover his passion? That's right Jessica again. From Cella's tweets, when the team started to go downhill and players were leaving en masse, Boxer and Jessica made it a point to take care of him, asking him if he would like their help in finding a new job - he refused because Cella felt it was his responsibility to look after the players. In short for all you Jessica haters out there, Slayers wouldn't even have been possible without her, and here you all her blaming her exclusively for it's downfall. Sure, when things are going good for her, theres no problem. Then, problems arise, and she becomes a devious little woman. | ||
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silent_owl
Philippines3098 Posts
On October 23 2012 11:52 wei2coolman wrote: If Jessica is the reason Boxer stopped playing. I'm going to cry ...Why does every Lennon have to have an Ono? If you do real research you'd know the Beatles were having a lot of internal problems before Ono showed up. | ||
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Shival
Netherlands643 Posts
On October 23 2012 11:51 Canucklehead wrote: Another example of Jessica telling half truths and not the full story is in regards to collecting money from players. She denies this and says the contracts called for a % of prize money won, but they never collected on this. MMA says that they did at one time collect money from the players and he even said they sent money to an account jessica provided. However, he then says, that this money was returned to the players eventually at a later date. So here is another case of jessica telling a half truth. Yes, in the end Jessica never kept any of this money from the players, so it's true that she never collected any money from the players, but she did in fact collect it from them at one point, but returned it later. It's the same tactic she used in the MMA transfer fee, only showing the very last result of giving MMA away for free to TL and leaving out asking for a transfer fee earlier. I'd rather have half truths than lies. Besides, I wouldn't even say that it's a half truth. As for the last one, she only showed the last one in response to Coach Won who was accusing her of looking for outrageous amounts of money for her players. Which she responded to by showing that wasn't what she was out for. Never did she say she didn't try to get a transfer fee for MMA. If the best you can catch Jessica on is half truths I'd say the players their battle is lost. | ||
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Mystgun
Hong Kong311 Posts
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Havik_
United States5585 Posts
Incredible how SlayerS could make it to the finals of the GSTL and how MMA could play that Amazing game against Gumiho given that he knew he would be leaving the team. | ||
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Shival
Netherlands643 Posts
On October 23 2012 11:55 Talin wrote: Which is exactly why it's wrong to use a broad, large scale statistical findings to settle arguments concerning a tiny space (in comparison). I shall certainly Google it! It rarely is, and certainly not in this case. Sure, I would much rather see a psychologists evaluation (preferably more than one) on situations in eSports houses and subsequent results, but alas that doesn't exist. Thus we go to the next best option, which is what I refer to. In my opinion that's atleast better than flat out denying the causality exists. On October 23 2012 12:01 silent_owl wrote: Your sig says you should trust Jessica though. She's got all the hard evidence, including email transcripts and phone call recordings. Touché | ||
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silent_owl
Philippines3098 Posts
On October 23 2012 11:59 Havik_ wrote: Damn this is bad. I trust what MMA said. Incredible how SlayerS could make it to the finals of the GSTL and how MMA could play that Amazing game against Gumiho given that he knew he would be leaving the team. Your sig says you should trust Jessica though. She's got all the hard evidence, including email transcripts and phone call recordings. | ||
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
On October 23 2012 11:31 mikedebo wrote: Edit: I feel like I'm in one of those episodes of Star Trek TNG where Picard is trying to negotiate with some weird alien, he offers them a space cookie, and suddenly they're all like GRAWGH I AM OFFENDED FIRE THE FLASHY THINGS Ho rofl, you made me burst in laughter <3 | ||
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Jimz1469
116 Posts
On October 23 2012 09:53 GolemMadness wrote: So when they do well, it's all the players, but when things go badly, it's all the manager? Assuming and putting words into my mouth. The point is even when they were distraught the players still gave it their all. MMA was said to be a cancer on the team and he gave it his all for the team for as long as he could until he left. A team doing well doesn't necessarily constitute good management just as a team doing poorly doesn't constitute bad management. I never said that and that's a simple minded, black and white way to think of a world with so many shades of gray. | ||
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tubs
764 Posts
On October 23 2012 11:44 Goshdarnit wrote: Man was that whole Life thing boring. GSL royal roaders an championships are always a snorefest, right guys? For me personally it was literally a snorefest because I slept right through the championships. Didn't seem like I missed much though. According to what the TL front page article said about the finals "While the series was a close, 4 - 3 victory for Life, the games themselves ended up being one-sided affairs. For Life, the recently controversial brood lord-infestor combination was key, as he won all four games where he was able to attain that composition uncontested" One sided finals doesn't sound too exciting to me. Say what you will about the drama. Say what you will about whether Jessica is the evil queen of the universe. The story of why such a successful team like Slayers tanked so hard so suddenly is much more compelling than yet another Winfestor/GGlord max supply rollover. | ||
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Jimz1469
116 Posts
On October 23 2012 10:03 m4inbrain wrote: Thats actually complete and utter crap, im sorry. Players (as you can actually see) are as much involved in the crash of Slayers as the management. And the same goes for the GSTL wins, because you know, you still need a good enviroment to train (as you can actually see by players complaining). And thats created by the management. Point out to me how these players that poured their heart into the game under that kind of stress are the cause of the problems? MMA was stuck with a team that felt he was a cancer, he had to try to overcome these odds on TOP of actually focusing on the next opponent he was going to play. It's tragic, it's a failure of epic proportions. It's clear to me, after both sides of the story have presented their experiences that, sadly, Jessica was too high and mighty to understand. She was under her own stress but she shouldn't have brought it over the players heads. This isn't the sign of a good caring coach/manager. I'm sure she's a decent person otherwise but man, my heart still goes out to these players more. They were made out to be villains when it's so obvious how far from it they were from the effort they put into a team that considered their own players the enemy. | ||
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kuan888
Canada305 Posts
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