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Proflo
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States148 Posts
October 23 2012 03:42 GMT
#1061
On October 23 2012 12:35 Milkis wrote:
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On October 23 2012 12:34 Waxangel wrote:
On October 23 2012 12:33 Milkis wrote:
On October 23 2012 12:32 Waxangel wrote:
On October 23 2012 12:29 Milkis wrote:
Crank sounds like an absolute spoiled brat in that phone conversation -_-


considering you had a working relationship with Jessica, I'll consider you less than an impartial source of information.


My entire opinion on the phone call is based on Crank's convo with BoxeR more than anything else.

But nice to know you guys are so quick to jump to judgment


of course, you're an open book


Mmm. I'm sure that's the case.

I have my own actual opinion on the entire situation, but I don't think calling Crank a spoiled brat means I'm necessarily on Jessica's side.

Yeah definitely! Jessicas a lying bitch, but i'm definitely not on Cranks side here!
Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know.
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
October 23 2012 03:42 GMT
#1062
On October 23 2012 12:40 lambac0re wrote:
But that response towards Milkies is the very definition of ad hominem.


No shit it was ad hominem. Kinda like calling someone a "spoiled brat" is ad hominem.

Why do you think that call was released? To encourage EXACTLY this reaction from people who adore drama.
CommentatorHost of SHOUTcraft Clan Wars- http://www.mlg.tv/shoutcraft
Shival
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands643 Posts
October 23 2012 03:42 GMT
#1063
On October 23 2012 12:38 TotalBiscuit wrote:
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On October 23 2012 12:32 Milkis wrote:

I understand you don't want anyone saying anything bad about your player, but I'm pretty sure your comment is pretty uncalled for. I'd highly recommend you read the convo before reacting so emotionally like that. I know quite well what happens when people do that


I'm sorry, are you lecturing me on the subject of not acting emotionally?

You're gonna have to stop, these sides will rupture shortly. You're the last person I'd ever take that advice from.


Please keep a civil and professional tone, especially if you're managing a team.
Hazuc
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada471 Posts
October 23 2012 03:42 GMT
#1064
Where can I find the phone conversation?
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
October 23 2012 03:43 GMT
#1065
On October 23 2012 12:42 Shival wrote:
Please keep a civil and professional tone, especially if you're managing a team.


I do not manage a team. If you don't even know what my role is you probably shouldn't be trying to tell me how to perform it.
CommentatorHost of SHOUTcraft Clan Wars- http://www.mlg.tv/shoutcraft
-Jacob-
Profile Joined November 2010
358 Posts
October 23 2012 03:43 GMT
#1066
http://esfiworld.com/news/jessica-my-reputation-line-i-will-end-cranks-apology

Jessica's response.
Rawr
zefreak
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States2731 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-23 03:44:49
October 23 2012 03:44 GMT
#1067
I don't even know who Milkis is, but I do like the special icon

TB, you need a special icon if i'm going to throw in with you!
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Proflo
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States148 Posts
October 23 2012 03:44 GMT
#1068
On October 23 2012 12:42 Shival wrote:
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On October 23 2012 12:38 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On October 23 2012 12:32 Milkis wrote:

I understand you don't want anyone saying anything bad about your player, but I'm pretty sure your comment is pretty uncalled for. I'd highly recommend you read the convo before reacting so emotionally like that. I know quite well what happens when people do that


I'm sorry, are you lecturing me on the subject of not acting emotionally?

You're gonna have to stop, these sides will rupture shortly. You're the last person I'd ever take that advice from.


Please keep a civil and professional tone, especially if you're managing a team.

Yeah, TB if you could refrain from using such offensive words such as 'side' and 'rupture' the communitry would really appreciate it
Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know.
Shival
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands643 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-23 03:48:02
October 23 2012 03:45 GMT
#1069
On October 23 2012 12:43 TotalBiscuit wrote:
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On October 23 2012 12:42 Shival wrote:
Please keep a civil and professional tone, especially if you're managing a team.


I do not manage a team. If you don't even know what my role is you probably shouldn't be trying to tell me how to perform it.


Ugh fine, your wife is. You know full well that you're a public figure representing Axiom.
Edit: Not to mention that regardless of what your role is, civilness and professional tone would be a boon to have either way. for your media business aswell as Axiom
bokeevboke
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Singapore1674 Posts
October 23 2012 03:46 GMT
#1070
where i can find short summary to this story?
Its grack
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33594 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-23 03:47:19
October 23 2012 03:46 GMT
#1071
On October 23 2012 12:45 Shival wrote:
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On October 23 2012 12:43 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On October 23 2012 12:42 Shival wrote:
Please keep a civil and professional tone, especially if you're managing a team.


I do not manage a team. If you don't even know what my role is you probably shouldn't be trying to tell me how to perform it.


Ugh fine, your wife is. You know full well that you're a public figure representing Axiom.


I'm going to say this tangent ends here, both of you can stop now.
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
Proflo
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States148 Posts
October 23 2012 03:47 GMT
#1072
On October 23 2012 12:42 Hazuc wrote:
Where can I find the phone conversation?

The actual audio has not been released, the text of the convo is linked(in korean) in the original post of this thread; no full translations thus far if that is what you're asking....
Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know.
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
October 23 2012 03:47 GMT
#1073
On October 23 2012 12:45 Shival wrote:
Ugh fine, your wife is. You know full well that you're a public figure representing Axiom.


I doubt my opinion of Milkis, a man who supposedly said "goodbye" to this community in Oct 2011 in a storm of drama, has anything to do with the opinions of Axiom or is even relevant to the discussion.

But I'm not going to pretend that I'm surprised he popped up to stir the pot.
CommentatorHost of SHOUTcraft Clan Wars- http://www.mlg.tv/shoutcraft
Phobbers
Profile Joined May 2011
773 Posts
October 23 2012 03:48 GMT
#1074
On October 23 2012 12:44 zefreak wrote:
I don't even know who Milkis is, but I do like the special icon

TB, you need a special icon if i'm going to throw in with you!

Used to be a translator for MLG and did stuff for the community, wrote a huge article about how SC2 is shit and will never amount to BW, and how BW is better than every esport. He proceeded to get called out by many, he couldn't take the heat, and got out of the kitchen.
EG/C9/ALL/TSM
Phemtos
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada163 Posts
October 23 2012 03:49 GMT
#1075
On October 23 2012 12:32 Milkis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2012 12:30 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On October 23 2012 12:29 Milkis wrote:
Crank sounds like an absolute spoiled brat in that phone conversation -_-


Milkis crawls out of the woodwork to call someone else a spoiled brat.

My sides


I understand you don't want anyone saying anything bad about your player, but I'm pretty sure your comment is pretty uncalled for. I'd highly recommend you read the convo before reacting so emotionally like that. I know quite well what happens when people do that


based fucking totalshitscuit

get fucking TOLD milkis

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Milkis
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
5003 Posts
October 23 2012 03:49 GMT
#1076
On October 23 2012 12:48 Phobbers wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2012 12:44 zefreak wrote:
I don't even know who Milkis is, but I do like the special icon

TB, you need a special icon if i'm going to throw in with you!

Used to be a translator for MLG and did stuff for the community, wrote a huge article about how SC2 is shit and will never amount to BW, and how BW is better than every esport. He proceeded to get called out by many, he couldn't take the heat, and got out of the kitchen.


Wait, what?

Wow, things get exaggerated. LOL.
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
October 23 2012 03:49 GMT
#1077
On October 23 2012 12:34 Shival wrote:
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On October 23 2012 12:31 Talin wrote:
On October 23 2012 12:01 Shival wrote:
On October 23 2012 11:55 Talin wrote:
On October 23 2012 11:36 Shival wrote:
On October 23 2012 11:32 Talin wrote:
On October 23 2012 11:27 m4inbrain wrote:
On October 23 2012 11:23 Ansinjunger wrote:
On October 23 2012 11:19 m4inbrain wrote:
On October 23 2012 11:13 Talin wrote:
[quote]

No, he didn't.

[quote]

Clearly.


Let me help you.

If a team wins GSTL (accomplished by playing good Starcraft), then yes, it is the players' accomplishments, alongside maybe the coaches that worked with players during their preparation.


None of these things accomplish a GSTL victory. There are plenty of teams in Korea that have all these things, and no titles to speak of.


Last quote as answer to "Ah, and what about the environment provided by the manager? The house provided by the manager? The pc's provided by the manager? The coaches provided by the manager? Do I need to go on?"

If "he" really did not, he may want to rethink the way he argues.

Edit: not to mention the quotes about psychological stuff, which i did not bother to quote.


I've got the entire quote chain open, and GSTL comes up (using the Find function) only in the quotes you pulled out of context. It's like you're saying Talin said that players don't use computers to win at video games. Good one.


Its about his "argument" that a good team-enviroment/manager/etc does not have an impact on your ability to win.


But you made that argument up.

There are more quotes as i said, about the psychological benefits of having a good enviroment, which he refused to look through.


No, it was about the psychological benefits of "living extravagantly" (or to be more general, about the players' level of comfort). Which I said I'd take into account only if it matches what actually happens in the world of Starcraft.

Meh, this thread is slowly losing its entertainment value.


Whatever happens in the world of Starcraft is not of sufficient statistical value to give any weight to the matter of psychological influence. Just too few examples.


Which is exactly why it's wrong to use a broad, large scale statistical findings to settle arguments concerning a tiny space (in comparison).

May I also recommend Running Man to you for entertainment value?


I shall certainly Google it!


It rarely is, and certainly not in this case. Sure, I would much rather see a psychologists evaluation (preferably more than one) on situations in eSports houses and subsequent results, but alas that doesn't exist. Thus we go to the next best option, which is what I refer to.


But there's a better next best thing - which is considering the visible, obvious trends in the scene. Which with the scene being so small, we can actually do without fear that an eventual research (that will never happen) would prove these observations to be drastically false.

The trend that I see is that individual players' performance tends to be unaffected, stagnate, and often even drop off as more material comfort and security is provided to him. Trend that I assume you saw was that Slayers provided their players with a high level of comfort (even though we don't really know any specifics on that) and that it had a reasonably significant effect on their results at the time - comparable to, or more so than players' own talent and work ethic.

Not only do I think that I can name many more examples that follow the trend I see, than you can for yours. In fact, if I may remind you of Slayers initial accomplishments in the team leagues - it was hardly a joint team effort. More often than not, it involved multiple players losing their games, then relying on one single player to rack up the wins and ultimately win the match himself. We all know who this player is, and in his own way, he also built the team from the ground up.


I'm sorry but trendwatching is sketchy at best. There's no scientific method in trendwatching and thus opinionated results are likely.

Even though I don't agree at all with your last 2 paragraphs, let's agree to disagree on this matter ok?


Lack of scientific method is still better than incorrectly applied statistical findings. There doesn't need to be a scientific method in order for an argument to be settled - in most mundane cases such as this, it merely requires common sense on both parts and not turning a blind eye to established (and very much visible to the naked eye) facts.

And it's plainly obvious that we disagree.
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-23 03:50:44
October 23 2012 03:50 GMT
#1078
Apologies for going off on a tangent, my opinion of Milkis isn't relevant to the discussion.
CommentatorHost of SHOUTcraft Clan Wars- http://www.mlg.tv/shoutcraft
oOOoOphidian
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1402 Posts
October 23 2012 03:50 GMT
#1079
Milkis is literally Jessica
Creator of sc2unmasked.com
NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
October 23 2012 03:50 GMT
#1080
On October 23 2012 12:48 Phobbers wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2012 12:44 zefreak wrote:
I don't even know who Milkis is, but I do like the special icon

TB, you need a special icon if i'm going to throw in with you!

Used to be a translator for MLG and did stuff for the community, wrote a huge article about how SC2 is shit and will never amount to BW, and how BW is better than every esport. He proceeded to get called out by many, he couldn't take the heat, and got out of the kitchen.



Well, looks like I won't be listening to anything he has to say then.
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