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SC2 is my favorite soap opera.
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Not to mention that you prefaced your view with "I know nothing about Korean law but..." while simultaneously dismissing someone elses opinion as irrelevant. Classy.
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Cella goes crazy on twitter? o.o
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On October 23 2012 07:28 Escape wrote:
EG.MMA
do it!
No way, it has to be AxMMA!! He should stay with Crank and Ryung; it only makes sense~
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Superfan it's been fun. This will go in circles forever, and I don't have all day to disagree with you. So Cheers~ good day^^
TB, check out PM dood :D
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Cella is still tweeting! I think he is siding with the players but can't be sure. Google translate apparently doesnt speak fluent Korean or something!
https://twitter.com/SlayersCella
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On October 23 2012 07:28 BRaegO wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 07:24 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 23 2012 07:23 BRaegO wrote:On October 23 2012 07:14 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 23 2012 07:12 grs wrote:On October 23 2012 07:07 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 23 2012 07:04 achan1058 wrote:On October 23 2012 07:02 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 23 2012 07:00 achan1058 wrote:On October 23 2012 06:59 sc2superfan101 wrote:
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it's pretty common to record telephone calls if you are worried that the content of the call might be relevant later in some controversy. I'm not saying that Jessica did nothing wrong, but just her recording a call is not enough to suddenly label her as maliciously trying to hurt people.
it is assumptions like this that seem to have caused the whole controversy in the first place... Actually, I don't think she can do that. It's definitely not common. well, it is perfectly legal. and it is very, very common in the world of business to save emails, record phone-calls, etc. if you feel that a controversy may arise which concerns the content of those communications. Saving e-mails, yes. Recording I believe you need to have the other person's consent. I know of a case where it was thrown out of court because it wasn't. Korean law is all that matters here, so any anecdotal evidence to the contrary from another country is irrelevant. I am not aware of Korean law on the matter, but am almost positive that Jessica is not doing anything illegal here. besides, we aren't talking about court cases, but a private dispute between two private individuals. User was warned for this post Let me recap it, so I get it right: 1. You say only korean law is relevant. 2. You say you don't know anything about it. 3. You say you are sure she did nothing wrong. --- leaves me puzzled. I would like to live in your world for a day, just for the experience. only Korean law is relevant, because we are discussing Korean law. I am not entirely aware of the specific laws in this case, but am pretty sure, since no one from the area is calling for her to be arrested or trying to pursue this legally, that she is not doing anything illegal. pretty simple, dude... And you are sure no one is pursuing this legally? haha You complain about people saying things without proof; do you realize how much of a hypocrite you are being right now? You don't even know the law in Korea(i'm not claiming to either). At least we are basing what we know on something. You say "almost positive" to "pretty sure" cause she hasn't been arrested yet. That has to be one of the most idiotic things I've read in this thread. Quit flaming. Pretty simple, dude. I literally just posted the relevant information about the law... and I didn't flame you once, whereas you just called me idiotic... "people like you, who jump to conclusions based on nothing, are the problem. not Jessica, not MMA. You and all your ilk. have a nice day" That's not flaming? haha Hopefully you've learned that's categorizing too, by now. You posted what you thought was right before actually knowing and posting the relevant info. Do you see my point? You are stating shit before even knowing what you are talking about.
..... I said I was categorizing when I made that statement. and no, that isn't flaming, but if it hurt your feelings, I am sorry.
I am the only person so far that has sourced a thing he said in this thread, so why the fuck are you jumping down my throat? hundreds of posts on here with unsupported and FALSE assertions, and you jump on the one guy who said somehting true, and then sourced it when challenged? makes a lot of sense...
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On October 23 2012 07:31 Arnisa wrote:Cella is still tweeting! I think he is siding with the players but can't be sure. Google translate apparently doesnt speak fluent Korean or something! https://twitter.com/SlayersCella
Poor Cella . That line about not being respected must hurt. Poor guy is getting it from both ends. Being seen as partly responsible as a coach and then having that said.
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On October 23 2012 07:31 Arnisa wrote:Cella is still tweeting! I think he is siding with the players but can't be sure. Google translate apparently doesnt speak fluent Korean or something! https://twitter.com/SlayersCella
Good lord he really IS writing a novel...we need a translator out here XD
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More translation summary of Cella's tweets by Korean friend.
who's jaewon?
he's quittin the team
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On October 23 2012 07:32 sc2superfan101 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 07:28 BRaegO wrote:On October 23 2012 07:24 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 23 2012 07:23 BRaegO wrote:On October 23 2012 07:14 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 23 2012 07:12 grs wrote:On October 23 2012 07:07 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 23 2012 07:04 achan1058 wrote:On October 23 2012 07:02 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 23 2012 07:00 achan1058 wrote:
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Actually, I don't think she can do that. It's definitely not common. well, it is perfectly legal. and it is very, very common in the world of business to save emails, record phone-calls, etc. if you feel that a controversy may arise which concerns the content of those communications. Saving e-mails, yes. Recording I believe you need to have the other person's consent. I know of a case where it was thrown out of court because it wasn't. Korean law is all that matters here, so any anecdotal evidence to the contrary from another country is irrelevant. I am not aware of Korean law on the matter, but am almost positive that Jessica is not doing anything illegal here. besides, we aren't talking about court cases, but a private dispute between two private individuals. User was warned for this post Let me recap it, so I get it right: 1. You say only korean law is relevant. 2. You say you don't know anything about it. 3. You say you are sure she did nothing wrong. --- leaves me puzzled. I would like to live in your world for a day, just for the experience. only Korean law is relevant, because we are discussing Korean law. I am not entirely aware of the specific laws in this case, but am pretty sure, since no one from the area is calling for her to be arrested or trying to pursue this legally, that she is not doing anything illegal. pretty simple, dude... And you are sure no one is pursuing this legally? haha You complain about people saying things without proof; do you realize how much of a hypocrite you are being right now? You don't even know the law in Korea(i'm not claiming to either). At least we are basing what we know on something. You say "almost positive" to "pretty sure" cause she hasn't been arrested yet. That has to be one of the most idiotic things I've read in this thread. Quit flaming. Pretty simple, dude. I literally just posted the relevant information about the law... and I didn't flame you once, whereas you just called me idiotic... "people like you, who jump to conclusions based on nothing, are the problem. not Jessica, not MMA. You and all your ilk. have a nice day" That's not flaming? haha Hopefully you've learned that's categorizing too, by now. You posted what you thought was right before actually knowing and posting the relevant info. Do you see my point? You are stating shit before even knowing what you are talking about. ..... I said I was categorizing when I made that statement. and no, that isn't flaming, but if it hurt your feelings, I am sorry. I am the only person so far that has sourced a thing he said in this thread, so why the fuck are you jumping down my throat? hundreds of posts on here with unsupported and FALSE assertions, and you jump on the one guy who said somehting true, and then sourced it when challenged? makes a lot of sense...
If you really want to know, why people jump on you: It is because you sound very aggressive and know-it-all. No idea if you mean it that way, but that's how it sounds.
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lol gosh Koreans man.. so much drama. I havent followed up with everything but I guess both party messed up to a certain degree. Really disappointing to see things turn out this way nevertheless.
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On October 23 2012 07:33 geokilla wrote:
More translation summary of Cella's tweets by Korean friend.
who's jaewon?
he's quittin the team
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His tweets are divided due to character limits.
Crank - Choi Jae Won
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On October 23 2012 07:33 grs wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 07:32 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 23 2012 07:28 BRaegO wrote:On October 23 2012 07:24 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 23 2012 07:23 BRaegO wrote:On October 23 2012 07:14 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 23 2012 07:12 grs wrote:On October 23 2012 07:07 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 23 2012 07:04 achan1058 wrote:On October 23 2012 07:02 sc2superfan101 wrote:
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well, it is perfectly legal. and it is very, very common in the world of business to save emails, record phone-calls, etc. if you feel that a controversy may arise which concerns the content of those communications. Saving e-mails, yes. Recording I believe you need to have the other person's consent. I know of a case where it was thrown out of court because it wasn't. Korean law is all that matters here, so any anecdotal evidence to the contrary from another country is irrelevant. I am not aware of Korean law on the matter, but am almost positive that Jessica is not doing anything illegal here. besides, we aren't talking about court cases, but a private dispute between two private individuals. User was warned for this post Let me recap it, so I get it right: 1. You say only korean law is relevant. 2. You say you don't know anything about it. 3. You say you are sure she did nothing wrong. --- leaves me puzzled. I would like to live in your world for a day, just for the experience. only Korean law is relevant, because we are discussing Korean law. I am not entirely aware of the specific laws in this case, but am pretty sure, since no one from the area is calling for her to be arrested or trying to pursue this legally, that she is not doing anything illegal. pretty simple, dude... And you are sure no one is pursuing this legally? haha You complain about people saying things without proof; do you realize how much of a hypocrite you are being right now? You don't even know the law in Korea(i'm not claiming to either). At least we are basing what we know on something. You say "almost positive" to "pretty sure" cause she hasn't been arrested yet. That has to be one of the most idiotic things I've read in this thread. Quit flaming. Pretty simple, dude. I literally just posted the relevant information about the law... and I didn't flame you once, whereas you just called me idiotic... "people like you, who jump to conclusions based on nothing, are the problem. not Jessica, not MMA. You and all your ilk. have a nice day" That's not flaming? haha Hopefully you've learned that's categorizing too, by now. You posted what you thought was right before actually knowing and posting the relevant info. Do you see my point? You are stating shit before even knowing what you are talking about. ..... I said I was categorizing when I made that statement. and no, that isn't flaming, but if it hurt your feelings, I am sorry. I am the only person so far that has sourced a thing he said in this thread, so why the fuck are you jumping down my throat? hundreds of posts on here with unsupported and FALSE assertions, and you jump on the one guy who said somehting true, and then sourced it when challenged? makes a lot of sense... If you really want to know, why people jump on you: It is because you sound very aggressive and know-it-all. No idea if you mean it that way, but that's how it sounds.
ok, I'm done after this. you were wrong, you got mad, you want to poke at me because you're mad. but let's be clear, it was you who started with the insulting:
I would like to live in your world for a day, just for the experience.
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On October 23 2012 07:33 grs wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 07:32 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 23 2012 07:28 BRaegO wrote:On October 23 2012 07:24 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 23 2012 07:23 BRaegO wrote:On October 23 2012 07:14 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 23 2012 07:12 grs wrote:On October 23 2012 07:07 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 23 2012 07:04 achan1058 wrote:On October 23 2012 07:02 sc2superfan101 wrote:
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well, it is perfectly legal. and it is very, very common in the world of business to save emails, record phone-calls, etc. if you feel that a controversy may arise which concerns the content of those communications. Saving e-mails, yes. Recording I believe you need to have the other person's consent. I know of a case where it was thrown out of court because it wasn't. Korean law is all that matters here, so any anecdotal evidence to the contrary from another country is irrelevant. I am not aware of Korean law on the matter, but am almost positive that Jessica is not doing anything illegal here. besides, we aren't talking about court cases, but a private dispute between two private individuals. User was warned for this post Let me recap it, so I get it right: 1. You say only korean law is relevant. 2. You say you don't know anything about it. 3. You say you are sure she did nothing wrong. --- leaves me puzzled. I would like to live in your world for a day, just for the experience. only Korean law is relevant, because we are discussing Korean law. I am not entirely aware of the specific laws in this case, but am pretty sure, since no one from the area is calling for her to be arrested or trying to pursue this legally, that she is not doing anything illegal. pretty simple, dude... And you are sure no one is pursuing this legally? haha You complain about people saying things without proof; do you realize how much of a hypocrite you are being right now? You don't even know the law in Korea(i'm not claiming to either). At least we are basing what we know on something. You say "almost positive" to "pretty sure" cause she hasn't been arrested yet. That has to be one of the most idiotic things I've read in this thread. Quit flaming. Pretty simple, dude. I literally just posted the relevant information about the law... and I didn't flame you once, whereas you just called me idiotic... "people like you, who jump to conclusions based on nothing, are the problem. not Jessica, not MMA. You and all your ilk. have a nice day" That's not flaming? haha Hopefully you've learned that's categorizing too, by now. You posted what you thought was right before actually knowing and posting the relevant info. Do you see my point? You are stating shit before even knowing what you are talking about. ..... I said I was categorizing when I made that statement. and no, that isn't flaming, but if it hurt your feelings, I am sorry. I am the only person so far that has sourced a thing he said in this thread, so why the fuck are you jumping down my throat? hundreds of posts on here with unsupported and FALSE assertions, and you jump on the one guy who said somehting true, and then sourced it when challenged? makes a lot of sense... If you really want to know, why people jump on you: It is because you sound very aggressive and know-it-all. No idea if you mean it that way, but that's how it sounds.
He knows. He just can't bear to retract that stupid line about knowing nothing about Korean law but being certain he was right. And this in a reply telling someone they were wrong. He knows.
On October 23 2012 07:35 sc2superfan101 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 07:33 grs wrote:On October 23 2012 07:32 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 23 2012 07:28 BRaegO wrote:On October 23 2012 07:24 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 23 2012 07:23 BRaegO wrote:On October 23 2012 07:14 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 23 2012 07:12 grs wrote:On October 23 2012 07:07 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 23 2012 07:04 achan1058 wrote:
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Saving e-mails, yes. Recording I believe you need to have the other person's consent. I know of a case where it was thrown out of court because it wasn't. Korean law is all that matters here, so any anecdotal evidence to the contrary from another country is irrelevant. I am not aware of Korean law on the matter, but am almost positive that Jessica is not doing anything illegal here. besides, we aren't talking about court cases, but a private dispute between two private individuals. User was warned for this post Let me recap it, so I get it right: 1. You say only korean law is relevant. 2. You say you don't know anything about it. 3. You say you are sure she did nothing wrong. --- leaves me puzzled. I would like to live in your world for a day, just for the experience. only Korean law is relevant, because we are discussing Korean law. I am not entirely aware of the specific laws in this case, but am pretty sure, since no one from the area is calling for her to be arrested or trying to pursue this legally, that she is not doing anything illegal. pretty simple, dude... And you are sure no one is pursuing this legally? haha You complain about people saying things without proof; do you realize how much of a hypocrite you are being right now? You don't even know the law in Korea(i'm not claiming to either). At least we are basing what we know on something. You say "almost positive" to "pretty sure" cause she hasn't been arrested yet. That has to be one of the most idiotic things I've read in this thread. Quit flaming. Pretty simple, dude. I literally just posted the relevant information about the law... and I didn't flame you once, whereas you just called me idiotic... "people like you, who jump to conclusions based on nothing, are the problem. not Jessica, not MMA. You and all your ilk. have a nice day" That's not flaming? haha Hopefully you've learned that's categorizing too, by now. You posted what you thought was right before actually knowing and posting the relevant info. Do you see my point? You are stating shit before even knowing what you are talking about. ..... I said I was categorizing when I made that statement. and no, that isn't flaming, but if it hurt your feelings, I am sorry. I am the only person so far that has sourced a thing he said in this thread, so why the fuck are you jumping down my throat? hundreds of posts on here with unsupported and FALSE assertions, and you jump on the one guy who said somehting true, and then sourced it when challenged? makes a lot of sense... If you really want to know, why people jump on you: It is because you sound very aggressive and know-it-all. No idea if you mean it that way, but that's how it sounds. ok, I'm done after this. you were wrong, you got mad, you want to poke at me because you're mad. but let's be clear, it was you who started with the insulting:
Yes, he is guilty of pointing out your ridiculous line. He must be angry with you.
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On October 23 2012 07:33 geokilla wrote:
More translation summary of Cella's tweets by Korean friend.
who's jaewon?
he's quittin the team
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His tweets are divided due to character limits.
Crank
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On October 23 2012 07:25 grs wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 07:21 Ysellian wrote:On October 23 2012 07:05 grs wrote:On October 23 2012 07:02 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 23 2012 07:00 achan1058 wrote:On October 23 2012 06:59 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 23 2012 06:53 achan1058 wrote:On October 23 2012 06:51 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 23 2012 06:40 TrickyGilligan wrote:On October 23 2012 06:35 sc2superfan101 wrote:
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look:
I said that there were a lot of people saying: "MMA said different, so that proves Jessica is a bitch."
than you come out, right after, and say, basically: "MMA says different, so that proves Jessica is a manipulative bitch."
so I lol'd at the irony and pointed it out, and then you got mad. well, I'm gonna give you a reason to be really mad, because I'm about to really categorize you:
people like you, who jump to conclusions based on nothing, are the problem. not Jessica, not MMA. You and all your ilk. have a nice day. There have been literally hundreds of pages of drama surrounding this. We're way past the point of "jumping to conclusions based on nothing." This is TL though, so I guess we need 3 different peer-reviewed sources before we can make a decision about anything. jumping to conclusions based on the biased statement of one side is pretty much jumping to conclusions based on nothing. especially when this thread has become, basically, a discussion about Boxer and Jessica's love-life between people who have almost all: 1) never met either of them, and 2) don't even speak the same language as them... anyone saying that Jessica is just a manipulative bitch is, in my opinion, jumping to conclusions. I would have agreed, if it wasn't for the fact that she has a recorded phone call. That alone shifted my view of "having the best intentions, but not the most competent" to "malicious". it's pretty common to record telephone calls if you are worried that the content of the call might be relevant later in some controversy. I'm not saying that Jessica did nothing wrong, but just her recording a call is not enough to suddenly label her as maliciously trying to hurt people. it is assumptions like this that seem to have caused the whole controversy in the first place... Actually, I don't think she can do that. It's definitely not common. well, it is perfectly legal. and it is very, very common in the world of business to save emails, record phone-calls, etc. if you feel that a controversy may arise which concerns the content of those communications. I don't know from where you are, but I can tell you that recording phone calls is not legal everywhere and it is also regarded as a very bad practice at least where I live. I was curious about this myself so I did a bit of googling. Apparently in the Netherlands what Jessica did would most likely deemed illegal unless she has proof that the parties involved were planning to reveal something they aren't allowed to reveal under contract, company secrets. But this is very bad practice from the person in charge IMO. It shows she is untrustworthy. Well, could be a different law anywhere in the world, but it is pretty harsh here. + Show Spoiler [german] +Das Aufzeichnen von Telefongesprächen ist allgemein laut Strafgesetzbuch - Besonderer Teil (§§ 80 - 358) 15. Abschnitt - Verletzung des persönlichen Lebens- und Geheimbereichs (§§ 201 - 210) in Deutschland verboten und wird mit Freiheitsstrafe bis zu 5 Jahren geahndet.
Das Aufzeichnen von Telefongesprächen ist in Deutschland nur unter ganz besonderen Bedingungen gestattet. Allgemein bedarf es der ausdrücklichen Zustimmung aller Gesprächsteilnehmer. The recording of telephone conversations is generally the Penal Code - Special Section (§ § 80-358) 15 Section - breach of personal life and secret area (§ § 201-210) banned in Germany and to imprisonment for up to 5 years imprisonment.
The recording of telephone conversations in Germany is permitted only under very special conditions. Generally require the express consent of all parties to the call.
Wow that is harsh! The maximum punishment for tapping the phone in a non-home environment is 3 months in the Netherlands. It's one serious sketchy law over here though, it's littered with exceptions. Wish we had your law on the matter.
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On October 23 2012 07:35 Subversive wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 07:33 grs wrote:On October 23 2012 07:32 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 23 2012 07:28 BRaegO wrote:On October 23 2012 07:24 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 23 2012 07:23 BRaegO wrote:On October 23 2012 07:14 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 23 2012 07:12 grs wrote:On October 23 2012 07:07 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 23 2012 07:04 achan1058 wrote:
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Saving e-mails, yes. Recording I believe you need to have the other person's consent. I know of a case where it was thrown out of court because it wasn't. Korean law is all that matters here, so any anecdotal evidence to the contrary from another country is irrelevant. I am not aware of Korean law on the matter, but am almost positive that Jessica is not doing anything illegal here. besides, we aren't talking about court cases, but a private dispute between two private individuals. User was warned for this post Let me recap it, so I get it right: 1. You say only korean law is relevant. 2. You say you don't know anything about it. 3. You say you are sure she did nothing wrong. --- leaves me puzzled. I would like to live in your world for a day, just for the experience. only Korean law is relevant, because we are discussing Korean law. I am not entirely aware of the specific laws in this case, but am pretty sure, since no one from the area is calling for her to be arrested or trying to pursue this legally, that she is not doing anything illegal. pretty simple, dude... And you are sure no one is pursuing this legally? haha You complain about people saying things without proof; do you realize how much of a hypocrite you are being right now? You don't even know the law in Korea(i'm not claiming to either). At least we are basing what we know on something. You say "almost positive" to "pretty sure" cause she hasn't been arrested yet. That has to be one of the most idiotic things I've read in this thread. Quit flaming. Pretty simple, dude. I literally just posted the relevant information about the law... and I didn't flame you once, whereas you just called me idiotic... "people like you, who jump to conclusions based on nothing, are the problem. not Jessica, not MMA. You and all your ilk. have a nice day" That's not flaming? haha Hopefully you've learned that's categorizing too, by now. You posted what you thought was right before actually knowing and posting the relevant info. Do you see my point? You are stating shit before even knowing what you are talking about. ..... I said I was categorizing when I made that statement. and no, that isn't flaming, but if it hurt your feelings, I am sorry. I am the only person so far that has sourced a thing he said in this thread, so why the fuck are you jumping down my throat? hundreds of posts on here with unsupported and FALSE assertions, and you jump on the one guy who said somehting true, and then sourced it when challenged? makes a lot of sense... If you really want to know, why people jump on you: It is because you sound very aggressive and know-it-all. No idea if you mean it that way, but that's how it sounds. He knows. He just can't bear to retract that stupid line about knowing nothing about Korean law but being certain he was right. And this in a reply telling someone they were wrong. He knows.
I was right... so if I was certain about being right, and I was right.... how is that wrong?
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