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On October 23 2012 07:03 Chill wrote:
I'll stick with my initial thoughts: Jessica is crazy.
She reminds me of Captain Planet, except instead of 5 teenagers with elemental rings she is summoned through the power of drama.
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On October 23 2012 07:05 grs wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 07:02 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 23 2012 07:00 achan1058 wrote:On October 23 2012 06:59 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 23 2012 06:53 achan1058 wrote:On October 23 2012 06:51 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 23 2012 06:40 TrickyGilligan wrote:On October 23 2012 06:35 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 23 2012 06:32 BRaegO wrote:On October 23 2012 06:30 sc2superfan101 wrote:
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I didn't categorize you, I just thought it was hilarious that you did exactly what I said (someone like) you would do.
I didn't realize being grown up was calling someone you don't know a bitch for doing things that haven't been confirmed to have been done. guess I learn something new every day, right? And "someone like you would do" isn't categorizing? Apparently you aren't one of the kids that are learning something new everyday.(psst categorizing... do you see it.. one of those kids)... look: I said that there were a lot of people saying: "MMA said different, so that proves Jessica is a bitch." than you come out, right after, and say, basically: "MMA says different, so that proves Jessica is a manipulative bitch." so I lol'd at the irony and pointed it out, and then you got mad. well, I'm gonna give you a reason to be really mad, because I'm about to really categorize you: people like you, who jump to conclusions based on nothing, are the problem. not Jessica, not MMA. You and all your ilk. have a nice day. There have been literally hundreds of pages of drama surrounding this. We're way past the point of "jumping to conclusions based on nothing." This is TL though, so I guess we need 3 different peer-reviewed sources before we can make a decision about anything. jumping to conclusions based on the biased statement of one side is pretty much jumping to conclusions based on nothing. especially when this thread has become, basically, a discussion about Boxer and Jessica's love-life between people who have almost all: 1) never met either of them, and 2) don't even speak the same language as them... anyone saying that Jessica is just a manipulative bitch is, in my opinion, jumping to conclusions. I would have agreed, if it wasn't for the fact that she has a recorded phone call. That alone shifted my view of "having the best intentions, but not the most competent" to "malicious". it's pretty common to record telephone calls if you are worried that the content of the call might be relevant later in some controversy. I'm not saying that Jessica did nothing wrong, but just her recording a call is not enough to suddenly label her as maliciously trying to hurt people. it is assumptions like this that seem to have caused the whole controversy in the first place... Actually, I don't think she can do that. It's definitely not common. well, it is perfectly legal. and it is very, very common in the world of business to save emails, record phone-calls, etc. if you feel that a controversy may arise which concerns the content of those communications. I don't know from where you are, but I can tell you that recording phone calls is not legal everywhere and it is also regarded as a very bad practice at least where I live.
Yeah scsuperfan is still working on digging that hole deeper... but that's just my opinion of course. :D
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I hope MMA finds a good foreign team and gets back to form. Jessica is so combative it's exhausting.
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Finally the call recording has been released. Should've done it a long time ago. Now if only I understand Korean....
Still siding with the players on this one. Everyone should take the blame. Still feels like Jessica is blaming everyone but herself and Boxer right now...
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On October 23 2012 07:05 CuteZergling wrote:
Is Jessica particularly well liked in Korea? I know she has fame and being with Boxer raises her reputation, but do they see what we see?
I don't think so. From what I heard people in Korea are shitting on eSF as if it is solely their fault.
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On October 23 2012 07:00 GreyKnight wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 06:49 Subversive wrote:
What a mess. The entire environment in that team sounded toxic. At the end of the day, seeing these two kids having to repeatedly apologise because of elder-worship makes me sick.
If there's a massive problem in a team-house, and you have two adults over 30 who have the purse-strings and all the authority, then I'm going to say that the bulk of the responsibility is there's. Who calls someone 'cancer' anyway? Jesus. Mma is 23 and already served in the military. He is no kid he could be capable of anything
23 is pretty bloody young. Boxer is 30, 31 right? And isn't Jessica 36 or so? That's a huge age gap. I'm not saying that MMA is an innocent kid and incapable of lying or anything. I am just saying that two 30-somethings have a lot over a bunch of kids in their early twenties. And at the end of the day, they are the management and owners of the team. So for me, I expect more from them than MMA and Crank and Alicia and how ever many more people are apparently to blame for this. Responsibility starts at the top. Trying to pin this all on MMA/Crank/Alicia/Ryung is incredibly weak.
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On October 23 2012 07:04 achan1058 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 07:02 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 23 2012 07:00 achan1058 wrote:On October 23 2012 06:59 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 23 2012 06:53 achan1058 wrote:On October 23 2012 06:51 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 23 2012 06:40 TrickyGilligan wrote:On October 23 2012 06:35 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 23 2012 06:32 BRaegO wrote:On October 23 2012 06:30 sc2superfan101 wrote:
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I didn't categorize you, I just thought it was hilarious that you did exactly what I said (someone like) you would do.
I didn't realize being grown up was calling someone you don't know a bitch for doing things that haven't been confirmed to have been done. guess I learn something new every day, right? And "someone like you would do" isn't categorizing? Apparently you aren't one of the kids that are learning something new everyday.(psst categorizing... do you see it.. one of those kids)... look: I said that there were a lot of people saying: "MMA said different, so that proves Jessica is a bitch." than you come out, right after, and say, basically: "MMA says different, so that proves Jessica is a manipulative bitch." so I lol'd at the irony and pointed it out, and then you got mad. well, I'm gonna give you a reason to be really mad, because I'm about to really categorize you: people like you, who jump to conclusions based on nothing, are the problem. not Jessica, not MMA. You and all your ilk. have a nice day. There have been literally hundreds of pages of drama surrounding this. We're way past the point of "jumping to conclusions based on nothing." This is TL though, so I guess we need 3 different peer-reviewed sources before we can make a decision about anything. jumping to conclusions based on the biased statement of one side is pretty much jumping to conclusions based on nothing. especially when this thread has become, basically, a discussion about Boxer and Jessica's love-life between people who have almost all: 1) never met either of them, and 2) don't even speak the same language as them... anyone saying that Jessica is just a manipulative bitch is, in my opinion, jumping to conclusions. I would have agreed, if it wasn't for the fact that she has a recorded phone call. That alone shifted my view of "having the best intentions, but not the most competent" to "malicious". it's pretty common to record telephone calls if you are worried that the content of the call might be relevant later in some controversy. I'm not saying that Jessica did nothing wrong, but just her recording a call is not enough to suddenly label her as maliciously trying to hurt people. it is assumptions like this that seem to have caused the whole controversy in the first place... Actually, I don't think she can do that. It's definitely not common. well, it is perfectly legal. and it is very, very common in the world of business to save emails, record phone-calls, etc. if you feel that a controversy may arise which concerns the content of those communications. Saving e-mails, yes. Recording I believe you need to have the other person's consent. I know of a case where it was thrown out of court because it wasn't.
Korean law is all that matters here, so any anecdotal evidence to the contrary from another country is irrelevant. I am not aware of Korean law on the matter, but am almost positive that Jessica is not doing anything illegal here.
besides, we aren't talking about court cases, but a private dispute between two private individuals.
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On October 23 2012 07:06 Chengakz wrote:
I hope MMA finds a good foreign team and gets back to form. Jessica is so combative it's exhausting.
Axiom. Please let it be Axiom. It's the logical choice seeing as Crank and Ryung are already there.
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This was such a sad/depressing read. There was so much drama and issues within the SlayerS house 
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On October 23 2012 06:43 BRaegO wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 06:41 Shiori wrote:
This community is incredibly biased against Jessica. It's kinda sad, honestly. I've no doubt that that she was to blame in some capacity for the Slayers drama, but to characterize her as malicious or evil or the sole problem is presumptive at best and dishonest otherwise. We don't have access to the truth here. It's in the best interests of the players to come up with a story that will allow them to continue to play Sc2 competitively. I don't mean to say that they're lying, but it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if they'd omitted details or put a positive spin on events in which they were more complicit than they'd care to admit.
Jessica may be overbearing, but it's clear that she really does care about her players in a sort of motherly fashion. While that may have been her downfall, her statement doesn't suddenly fly out the window because MMA released a different version. The intelligent thing to do would be to try and find out which of the statements is actually accurate, not presume the one from everyone's favourite Terran is correct just because he made a controversial comment about Boxer.
(On a side note, I'm amazed that all these people who have never been to Korea are suddenly talking as if MMA's accusation about Boxer quitting because of Jessica is some sort of infallible comment simply because of how important it is). This is a well done "devil's advocate" statement. Cheers~
It'd be a decent post if not for the fact that right before attacking people for saying stupid shit about Jessica being evil, he made an enormous generalization of the community by saying it as a whole are making these statements. First of all, I saw many more posts about how the slayers players are all dumb, immature brats than I did posts about Jessica being evil in the previous thread (which I thought was unexpected. It's like people don't remember all of her past controversies). Second of all, I think it's clear that most of the community realizes everybody is at fault to some degree, which is why I, personally, have little sympathy for Jessica as she was the only one who tried to act as if she was almost completely in the right. Reminds of how this dude is trying to act like he's the only one on the fucking planet looking at the situation rationally.
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On October 23 2012 07:07 sc2superfan101 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 07:04 achan1058 wrote:On October 23 2012 07:02 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 23 2012 07:00 achan1058 wrote:On October 23 2012 06:59 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 23 2012 06:53 achan1058 wrote:On October 23 2012 06:51 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 23 2012 06:40 TrickyGilligan wrote:On October 23 2012 06:35 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 23 2012 06:32 BRaegO wrote:
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And "someone like you would do" isn't categorizing? Apparently you aren't one of the kids that are learning something new everyday.(psst categorizing... do you see it.. one of those kids)... look: I said that there were a lot of people saying: "MMA said different, so that proves Jessica is a bitch." than you come out, right after, and say, basically: "MMA says different, so that proves Jessica is a manipulative bitch." so I lol'd at the irony and pointed it out, and then you got mad. well, I'm gonna give you a reason to be really mad, because I'm about to really categorize you: people like you, who jump to conclusions based on nothing, are the problem. not Jessica, not MMA. You and all your ilk. have a nice day. There have been literally hundreds of pages of drama surrounding this. We're way past the point of "jumping to conclusions based on nothing." This is TL though, so I guess we need 3 different peer-reviewed sources before we can make a decision about anything. jumping to conclusions based on the biased statement of one side is pretty much jumping to conclusions based on nothing. especially when this thread has become, basically, a discussion about Boxer and Jessica's love-life between people who have almost all: 1) never met either of them, and 2) don't even speak the same language as them... anyone saying that Jessica is just a manipulative bitch is, in my opinion, jumping to conclusions. I would have agreed, if it wasn't for the fact that she has a recorded phone call. That alone shifted my view of "having the best intentions, but not the most competent" to "malicious". it's pretty common to record telephone calls if you are worried that the content of the call might be relevant later in some controversy. I'm not saying that Jessica did nothing wrong, but just her recording a call is not enough to suddenly label her as maliciously trying to hurt people. it is assumptions like this that seem to have caused the whole controversy in the first place... Actually, I don't think she can do that. It's definitely not common. well, it is perfectly legal. and it is very, very common in the world of business to save emails, record phone-calls, etc. if you feel that a controversy may arise which concerns the content of those communications. Saving e-mails, yes. Recording I believe you need to have the other person's consent. I know of a case where it was thrown out of court because it wasn't. Korean law is all that matters here, so any anecdotal evidence to the contrary from another country is irrelevant. I am not aware of Korean law on the matter, but am almost positive that Jessica is not doing anything illegal here. besides, we aren't talking about court cases, but a private dispute between two private individuals.
It does not make it good taste, unless you are claiming that in Korean culture everyone records phone calls like crazy.
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On October 23 2012 07:07 sc2superfan101 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 07:04 achan1058 wrote:On October 23 2012 07:02 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 23 2012 07:00 achan1058 wrote:On October 23 2012 06:59 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 23 2012 06:53 achan1058 wrote:On October 23 2012 06:51 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 23 2012 06:40 TrickyGilligan wrote:On October 23 2012 06:35 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 23 2012 06:32 BRaegO wrote:
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And "someone like you would do" isn't categorizing? Apparently you aren't one of the kids that are learning something new everyday.(psst categorizing... do you see it.. one of those kids)... look: I said that there were a lot of people saying: "MMA said different, so that proves Jessica is a bitch." than you come out, right after, and say, basically: "MMA says different, so that proves Jessica is a manipulative bitch." so I lol'd at the irony and pointed it out, and then you got mad. well, I'm gonna give you a reason to be really mad, because I'm about to really categorize you: people like you, who jump to conclusions based on nothing, are the problem. not Jessica, not MMA. You and all your ilk. have a nice day. There have been literally hundreds of pages of drama surrounding this. We're way past the point of "jumping to conclusions based on nothing." This is TL though, so I guess we need 3 different peer-reviewed sources before we can make a decision about anything. jumping to conclusions based on the biased statement of one side is pretty much jumping to conclusions based on nothing. especially when this thread has become, basically, a discussion about Boxer and Jessica's love-life between people who have almost all: 1) never met either of them, and 2) don't even speak the same language as them... anyone saying that Jessica is just a manipulative bitch is, in my opinion, jumping to conclusions. I would have agreed, if it wasn't for the fact that she has a recorded phone call. That alone shifted my view of "having the best intentions, but not the most competent" to "malicious". it's pretty common to record telephone calls if you are worried that the content of the call might be relevant later in some controversy. I'm not saying that Jessica did nothing wrong, but just her recording a call is not enough to suddenly label her as maliciously trying to hurt people. it is assumptions like this that seem to have caused the whole controversy in the first place... Actually, I don't think she can do that. It's definitely not common. well, it is perfectly legal. and it is very, very common in the world of business to save emails, record phone-calls, etc. if you feel that a controversy may arise which concerns the content of those communications. Saving e-mails, yes. Recording I believe you need to have the other person's consent. I know of a case where it was thrown out of court because it wasn't. Korean law is all that matters here, so any anecdotal evidence to the contrary from another country is irrelevant. I am not aware of Korean law on the matter, but am almost positive that Jessica is not doing anything illegal here. besides, we aren't talking about court cases, but a private dispute between two private individuals. User was warned for this post
Why was he warned....? He's talking about the truth...
I would like to add that I don't like how Jessica keeps on relating herself to the entertainment industry. She's not that big in the entertainment industry. SC2 industry and entertainment industry are two different things! That's like comparing what an accountant does and what a financial officer does!
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On October 23 2012 07:05 CuteZergling wrote:
Is Jessica particularly well liked in Korea? I know she has fame and being with Boxer raises her reputation, but do they see what we see?
I think she once threatened to sue some people that were trolling her on the web. And this was before we saw big shitstorms about her behaviour as a representative/drama-magnet of SlayerS.
I would REALLY like to see a Korean netizen reaction thread on the SlayerS issues, I mean taking comments from places like PlayXP, Fomos, Afreeca etc.
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On October 23 2012 07:10 Clbull wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 07:05 CuteZergling wrote:
Is Jessica particularly well liked in Korea? I know she has fame and being with Boxer raises her reputation, but do they see what we see? I think she once threatened to sue some people that were trolling her on the web. And this was before we saw big shitstorms about her behaviour as a representative/drama-magnet of SlayerS. I would REALLY like to see a Korean netizen reaction thread on the SlayerS issues, I mean taking comments from places like PlayXP, Fomos, Afreeca etc.
She did that? Oh god. That only attracts more trolls. I'm just waiting on the edge for someone to start taking cracks at women; it's coming I know it is...x-x
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Wow.. huge issue! I read both articles on both sides... dont really know what to say. But seems like its everyones fault.
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On October 23 2012 07:08 achan1058 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 07:07 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 23 2012 07:04 achan1058 wrote:On October 23 2012 07:02 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 23 2012 07:00 achan1058 wrote:On October 23 2012 06:59 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 23 2012 06:53 achan1058 wrote:On October 23 2012 06:51 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 23 2012 06:40 TrickyGilligan wrote:On October 23 2012 06:35 sc2superfan101 wrote:
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look:
I said that there were a lot of people saying: "MMA said different, so that proves Jessica is a bitch."
than you come out, right after, and say, basically: "MMA says different, so that proves Jessica is a manipulative bitch."
so I lol'd at the irony and pointed it out, and then you got mad. well, I'm gonna give you a reason to be really mad, because I'm about to really categorize you:
people like you, who jump to conclusions based on nothing, are the problem. not Jessica, not MMA. You and all your ilk. have a nice day. There have been literally hundreds of pages of drama surrounding this. We're way past the point of "jumping to conclusions based on nothing." This is TL though, so I guess we need 3 different peer-reviewed sources before we can make a decision about anything. jumping to conclusions based on the biased statement of one side is pretty much jumping to conclusions based on nothing. especially when this thread has become, basically, a discussion about Boxer and Jessica's love-life between people who have almost all: 1) never met either of them, and 2) don't even speak the same language as them... anyone saying that Jessica is just a manipulative bitch is, in my opinion, jumping to conclusions. I would have agreed, if it wasn't for the fact that she has a recorded phone call. That alone shifted my view of "having the best intentions, but not the most competent" to "malicious". it's pretty common to record telephone calls if you are worried that the content of the call might be relevant later in some controversy. I'm not saying that Jessica did nothing wrong, but just her recording a call is not enough to suddenly label her as maliciously trying to hurt people. it is assumptions like this that seem to have caused the whole controversy in the first place... Actually, I don't think she can do that. It's definitely not common. well, it is perfectly legal. and it is very, very common in the world of business to save emails, record phone-calls, etc. if you feel that a controversy may arise which concerns the content of those communications. Saving e-mails, yes. Recording I believe you need to have the other person's consent. I know of a case where it was thrown out of court because it wasn't. Korean law is all that matters here, so any anecdotal evidence to the contrary from another country is irrelevant. I am not aware of Korean law on the matter, but am almost positive that Jessica is not doing anything illegal here. besides, we aren't talking about court cases, but a private dispute between two private individuals. It does not make it good taste, unless you are claiming that in Korean culture everyone records phone calls like crazy.
what are you talking about? I made two claims:
1) what she did is not illegal.
2) what she did is not abnormal in the world of business.
the first claim has yet to be challenged or proven wrong. and the second claim is self-evident to anyone who has been engaged in controversy within a business environment. if you feel like it is in bad taste, well then that is your opinion and your right, but that doesn't make it uncommon or illegal. I literally said nothing about Korean culture, or about people recording phone calls like crazy...
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On October 23 2012 07:10 Clbull wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 07:05 CuteZergling wrote:
Is Jessica particularly well liked in Korea? I know she has fame and being with Boxer raises her reputation, but do they see what we see? I think she once threatened to sue some people that were trolling her on the web. And this was before we saw big shitstorms about her behaviour as a representative/drama-magnet of SlayerS. I would REALLY like to see a Korean netizen reaction thread on the SlayerS issues, I mean taking comments from places like PlayXP, Fomos, Afreeca etc.
You don't... from the bits that I know about they make TL crowd look like a meditation ritual.
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MMA doesn't come off looking good after this. We already saw Jessica's personality - that she's rather confrontational and doesn't give in easily, and also makes things bigger than they need to be. None of these things are necessarily bad, except for the last one, and the general trickiness such personality brings to the management of public relations.
But what we didn't know before is that MMA is effectively the same... no trust in his managers, unable bring up and resolve issues through open discussion, taking everything personally and affecting the people around him negatively, and also, even now, dishing out accusations and blaming others, instead of explaining what exactly was actually going on and taking some responsibility. Going so far as to throw BoxeR under the bus? Not cool... not cool.
All of this makes me very sad. Jessica's naivity when it comes to the management of the team, the incompatibilities her personality brings, the irresponsibility of everyone involved (except for BoxeR).
How could anyone in good faith express interest in working with either of such individuals?
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Wow.. this drama is ridiculous. Jessica needs to learn to avoid stuff like this instead of always being the center of drama. MMA's statements wont end up well sadly even if they are true.
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On October 23 2012 07:07 sc2superfan101 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 07:04 achan1058 wrote:On October 23 2012 07:02 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 23 2012 07:00 achan1058 wrote:On October 23 2012 06:59 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 23 2012 06:53 achan1058 wrote:On October 23 2012 06:51 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 23 2012 06:40 TrickyGilligan wrote:On October 23 2012 06:35 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 23 2012 06:32 BRaegO wrote:
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And "someone like you would do" isn't categorizing? Apparently you aren't one of the kids that are learning something new everyday.(psst categorizing... do you see it.. one of those kids)... look: I said that there were a lot of people saying: "MMA said different, so that proves Jessica is a bitch." than you come out, right after, and say, basically: "MMA says different, so that proves Jessica is a manipulative bitch." so I lol'd at the irony and pointed it out, and then you got mad. well, I'm gonna give you a reason to be really mad, because I'm about to really categorize you: people like you, who jump to conclusions based on nothing, are the problem. not Jessica, not MMA. You and all your ilk. have a nice day. There have been literally hundreds of pages of drama surrounding this. We're way past the point of "jumping to conclusions based on nothing." This is TL though, so I guess we need 3 different peer-reviewed sources before we can make a decision about anything. jumping to conclusions based on the biased statement of one side is pretty much jumping to conclusions based on nothing. especially when this thread has become, basically, a discussion about Boxer and Jessica's love-life between people who have almost all: 1) never met either of them, and 2) don't even speak the same language as them... anyone saying that Jessica is just a manipulative bitch is, in my opinion, jumping to conclusions. I would have agreed, if it wasn't for the fact that she has a recorded phone call. That alone shifted my view of "having the best intentions, but not the most competent" to "malicious". it's pretty common to record telephone calls if you are worried that the content of the call might be relevant later in some controversy. I'm not saying that Jessica did nothing wrong, but just her recording a call is not enough to suddenly label her as maliciously trying to hurt people. it is assumptions like this that seem to have caused the whole controversy in the first place... Actually, I don't think she can do that. It's definitely not common. well, it is perfectly legal. and it is very, very common in the world of business to save emails, record phone-calls, etc. if you feel that a controversy may arise which concerns the content of those communications. Saving e-mails, yes. Recording I believe you need to have the other person's consent. I know of a case where it was thrown out of court because it wasn't. Korean law is all that matters here, so any anecdotal evidence to the contrary from another country is irrelevant. I am not aware of Korean law on the matter, but am almost positive that Jessica is not doing anything illegal here.
besides, we aren't talking about court cases, but a private dispute between two private individuals. User was warned for this post
Lol. Well that sounds solid. I'm with this guy.
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