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On October 23 2012 06:41 Shiori wrote:
This community is incredibly biased against Jessica. It's kinda sad, honestly. I've no doubt that that she was to blame in some capacity for the Slayers drama, but to characterize her as malicious or evil or the sole problem is presumptive at best and dishonest otherwise. We don't have access to the truth here. It's in the best interests of the players to come up with a story that will allow them to continue to play Sc2 competitively. I don't mean to say that they're lying, but it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if they'd omitted details or put a positive spin on events in which they were more complicit than they'd care to admit.
Jessica may be overbearing, but it's clear that she really does care about her players in a sort of motherly fashion. While that may have been her downfall, her statement doesn't suddenly fly out the window because MMA released a different version. The intelligent thing to do would be to try and find out which of the statements is actually accurate, not presume the one from everyone's favourite Terran is correct just because he made a controversial comment about Boxer.
(On a side note, I'm amazed that all these people who have never been to Korea are suddenly talking as if MMA's accusation about Boxer quitting because of Jessica is some sort of infallible comment simply because of how important it is).
This. So much!
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It seems like a lot of the problems built up out of miscommunication. People should really learn from that for once, because so much drama could be prevented if people actually talked.
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On October 23 2012 06:40 TrickyGilligan wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 06:35 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 23 2012 06:32 BRaegO wrote:On October 23 2012 06:30 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 23 2012 06:28 BRaegO wrote:On October 23 2012 06:26 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 23 2012 06:24 namori wrote:On October 23 2012 06:20 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 23 2012 06:19 jmbthirteen wrote:On October 23 2012 06:18 Denzil wrote:
hard to believe MMAs account when every paragraph is shitting on jessica but its easy to believe jessica's account when its shitting on everyone else? no, but I am seeing a lot of "Oh shit, MMA says different so Jessica is a bitch!" comments in here. Because TL is full misogynist neckbeards who live on their parents basement omg, look at the post right below you. lol... I love it when people just prove me right. *sigh* I love it when people like you categorize others for the words they use. Would you have preferred I said asshole? Or Jessica was a "bad girl". Grow up kid. I didn't categorize you, I just thought it was hilarious that you did exactly what I said (someone like) you would do. I didn't realize being grown up was calling someone you don't know a bitch for doing things that haven't been confirmed to have been done. guess I learn something new every day, right? And "someone like you would do" isn't categorizing? Apparently you aren't one of the kids that are learning something new everyday.(psst categorizing... do you see it.. one of those kids)... look: I said that there were a lot of people saying: "MMA said different, so that proves Jessica is a bitch." than you come out, right after, and say, basically: "MMA says different, so that proves Jessica is a manipulative bitch." so I lol'd at the irony and pointed it out, and then you got mad. well, I'm gonna give you a reason to be really mad, because I'm about to really categorize you: people like you, who jump to conclusions based on nothing, are the problem. not Jessica, not MMA. You and all your ilk. have a nice day. There have been literally hundreds of pages of drama surrounding this. We're way past the point of "jumping to conclusions based on nothing." This is TL though, so I guess we need 3 different peer-reviewed sources before we can make a decision about anything.
jumping to conclusions based on the biased statement of one side is pretty much jumping to conclusions based on nothing. especially when this thread has become, basically, a discussion about Boxer and Jessica's love-life between people who have almost all: 1) never met either of them, and 2) don't even speak the same language as them...
anyone saying that Jessica is just a manipulative bitch is, in my opinion, jumping to conclusions.
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Man...
This was one of the most depressing things I've read in a long time...
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On October 23 2012 06:47 Ghostface_Killa wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 05:52 zocktol wrote:Is Manager J snowbird, because he speaks korean, english and german AND is involved in SC2 esports? I mean it seems like it, because he says so in this interview: + Show Spoiler + He also mentions his love for SOCCER. Could he be J?!?!
Stop that. No, it is not snowbird. The dude's name has been revealed already some where he's not secretly some notable figure.
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On October 23 2012 06:46 Cyrak wrote:
I for one am blown away that the skills of an ex-actress who probably couldn't beat the WoL campaign were insufficient to effectively manage a professional Starcraft team.
clap clap, another reason to CLOSE THIS THREAD.
Nothing good will come from of this besides jumping conclusions, prejudice and more bollocks of that sort.
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This was really poorly handled by Jessica and she doesn't take responsibility for the failure of the team and how it broke down. She was in charge to make sure the condition of the players is best met and to get sponsors for the team. Instead she ignored the players and the environment of team was really bad and it all just fell apart. I wish MMA the best with finding a team and hope to see him perform better in a healthier environment.
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On October 23 2012 06:51 sc2superfan101 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 06:40 TrickyGilligan wrote:On October 23 2012 06:35 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 23 2012 06:32 BRaegO wrote:On October 23 2012 06:30 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 23 2012 06:28 BRaegO wrote:On October 23 2012 06:26 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 23 2012 06:24 namori wrote:On October 23 2012 06:20 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 23 2012 06:19 jmbthirteen wrote:
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but its easy to believe jessica's account when its shitting on everyone else? no, but I am seeing a lot of "Oh shit, MMA says different so Jessica is a bitch!" comments in here. Because TL is full misogynist neckbeards who live on their parents basement omg, look at the post right below you. lol... I love it when people just prove me right. *sigh* I love it when people like you categorize others for the words they use. Would you have preferred I said asshole? Or Jessica was a "bad girl". Grow up kid. I didn't categorize you, I just thought it was hilarious that you did exactly what I said (someone like) you would do. I didn't realize being grown up was calling someone you don't know a bitch for doing things that haven't been confirmed to have been done. guess I learn something new every day, right? And "someone like you would do" isn't categorizing? Apparently you aren't one of the kids that are learning something new everyday.(psst categorizing... do you see it.. one of those kids)... look: I said that there were a lot of people saying: "MMA said different, so that proves Jessica is a bitch." than you come out, right after, and say, basically: "MMA says different, so that proves Jessica is a manipulative bitch." so I lol'd at the irony and pointed it out, and then you got mad. well, I'm gonna give you a reason to be really mad, because I'm about to really categorize you: people like you, who jump to conclusions based on nothing, are the problem. not Jessica, not MMA. You and all your ilk. have a nice day. There have been literally hundreds of pages of drama surrounding this. We're way past the point of "jumping to conclusions based on nothing." This is TL though, so I guess we need 3 different peer-reviewed sources before we can make a decision about anything. jumping to conclusions based on the biased statement of one side is pretty much jumping to conclusions based on nothing. especially when this thread has become, basically, a discussion about Boxer and Jessica's love-life between people who have almost all: 1) never met either of them, and 2) don't even speak the same language as them... anyone saying that Jessica is just a manipulative bitch is, in my opinion, jumping to conclusions.
I would have agreed, if it wasn't for the fact that she has a recorded phone call. That alone shifted my view of "having the best intentions, but not the most competent" to "malicious".
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On October 23 2012 06:52 Gorlin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 06:47 Ghostface_Killa wrote:On October 23 2012 05:52 zocktol wrote:Is Manager J snowbird, because he speaks korean, english and german AND is involved in SC2 esports? I mean it seems like it, because he says so in this interview: + Show Spoiler + He also mentions his love for SOCCER. Could he be J?!?! Stop that. No, it is not snowbird. The dude's name has been revealed already some where he's not secretly some notable figure.
Just to chip in here:
Chances are it's Jung "Garfield"' Chul.
i.e. if you look at his http://www.sk-gaming.com/member/Garfield profile:
"Part of Team SlayerS http://www.facebook.com/teamslayers"
Here's a bit more about him:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KODE5 ("Hui-Chul “Garfield” Jung was born in 1985 in Germany.")
In an interview with http://www.fnatic.com/news/2539 he mentions of having worked at least once with Razer, so there's your company R connection as well.
"Meanwhile, I also have been working for Razer for the past 1 1/2 years as a project coordinator."
If one wants to know more, google it, it's not hard 
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Hey let's let a girl who doesn't even play Starcraft run a prestigious team because she's having sex with a famous player. With no business degree or formal training in leadership. I'm sure she won't let it go to her head
When people do things because they have to, not because they want to, shit like this happens. They should have let Cella run the team he is a genuine character who is smart and also great at SC2
User was temp banned for this post.
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On October 23 2012 06:49 zhurai wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 06:48 TeeTS wrote:
So MMA just committed medial suicide in the korean community. They seem to treat boxer like a god, no chance for MMA, even everything he said was absolutely true! now the question is how do you know what _anyone_ says is true/the truth?
You deduce it based on your perception of their personalities, likely motivations, interests, and the things they agree on in their statements.
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On October 23 2012 05:45 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 05:42 Fenrax wrote:
Why do neither Crank not MMA say anything regarding the length and the enforcement of the practice ban? the fact that there was a practice ban was enough for eSF to have 'lost' that battle in Korea, regardless of the actual length. That issue is effectively over in Korea.
The chairman of eSF resigned. Is that not proof enough?
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On October 23 2012 06:56 Talin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 06:49 zhurai wrote:On October 23 2012 06:48 TeeTS wrote:
So MMA just committed medial suicide in the korean community. They seem to treat boxer like a god, no chance for MMA, even everything he said was absolutely true! now the question is how do you know what _anyone_ says is true/the truth? You deduce it based on your perception of their personalities, likely motivations, interests, and the things they agree on in their statements.
This is how conspiracy theories work. :/
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This stuff is priceless, only thing that could make this even more epic would be if corporation "R" was EG and manager "J" Huk. I picked Huk over Idra in that role because they said that manager "J" was charming and good at football.
But seriously, I really feel sorry for the players in Slayers. Publicly arguing with Jessica can´t be a good thing for you're carrier.
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On October 23 2012 06:51 sc2superfan101 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 06:40 TrickyGilligan wrote:On October 23 2012 06:35 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 23 2012 06:32 BRaegO wrote:On October 23 2012 06:30 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 23 2012 06:28 BRaegO wrote:On October 23 2012 06:26 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 23 2012 06:24 namori wrote:On October 23 2012 06:20 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 23 2012 06:19 jmbthirteen wrote:
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but its easy to believe jessica's account when its shitting on everyone else? no, but I am seeing a lot of "Oh shit, MMA says different so Jessica is a bitch!" comments in here. Because TL is full misogynist neckbeards who live on their parents basement omg, look at the post right below you. lol... I love it when people just prove me right. *sigh* I love it when people like you categorize others for the words they use. Would you have preferred I said asshole? Or Jessica was a "bad girl". Grow up kid. I didn't categorize you, I just thought it was hilarious that you did exactly what I said (someone like) you would do. I didn't realize being grown up was calling someone you don't know a bitch for doing things that haven't been confirmed to have been done. guess I learn something new every day, right? And "someone like you would do" isn't categorizing? Apparently you aren't one of the kids that are learning something new everyday.(psst categorizing... do you see it.. one of those kids)... look: I said that there were a lot of people saying: "MMA said different, so that proves Jessica is a bitch." than you come out, right after, and say, basically: "MMA says different, so that proves Jessica is a manipulative bitch." so I lol'd at the irony and pointed it out, and then you got mad. well, I'm gonna give you a reason to be really mad, because I'm about to really categorize you: people like you, who jump to conclusions based on nothing, are the problem. not Jessica, not MMA. You and all your ilk. have a nice day. There have been literally hundreds of pages of drama surrounding this. We're way past the point of "jumping to conclusions based on nothing." This is TL though, so I guess we need 3 different peer-reviewed sources before we can make a decision about anything. jumping to conclusions based on the biased statement of one side is pretty much jumping to conclusions based on nothing. especially when this thread has become, basically, a discussion about Boxer and Jessica's love-life between people who have almost all: 1) never met either of them, and 2) don't even speak the same language as them... anyone saying that Jessica is just a manipulative bitch is, in my opinion, jumping to conclusions.
In my opinion, it's not jumping to conclusions. See! That's the beauty of it. No persons opinion is right or wrong.
But I can say that "based on nothing" is a bit of a dolt thing to say. Seriously? All the problems she has started and all the evidence that backs it up is a bit more than nothing. Even you have to admit that. Unless you are clueless of all the crap she has done.
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I asked coach ryu if he had received any wages and he told me that he did not receive anything until February of 2012. Furthermore, when cella accompanied me to mlg in the states, he had to pay for the roaming charges on his cell phone even though Jessica promised to pay for it. Coach ryu asked Jessica about the promised wages and was told that ‘we don’t collect money from the players, you go collect it for yourself’.
About this statement, I am very sorry. The slavery contract was the contract between the individuals of the management and me, not between the team and me, so even if I transferred, I had to give a portion of the tournament winnings to Jessica. There was silence for 10 minutes and boxer said ‘we do things our way’ and the conversation ended. The next day, the article regarding relegation came out.
I don't really care for all the mud slinging but I'd like to know more about these contracts. I take it that, at least at some point, the coaches had to ask for money from the players. :-S
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On October 23 2012 06:57 Clbull wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 05:45 Waxangel wrote:On October 23 2012 05:42 Fenrax wrote:
Why do neither Crank not MMA say anything regarding the length and the enforcement of the practice ban? the fact that there was a practice ban was enough for eSF to have 'lost' that battle in Korea, regardless of the actual length. That issue is effectively over in Korea. The chairman of eSF resigned. Is that not proof enough?
On the other hand, having a recorded phone call makes Jessica effectively lose the battle oversea.
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"See? No one looks good in this."
"Especially not that little dude."
"Ugh, that's Ann."
"Who?"
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On October 23 2012 06:50 Ventris wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 06:41 Shiori wrote:
This community is incredibly biased against Jessica. It's kinda sad, honestly. I've no doubt that that she was to blame in some capacity for the Slayers drama, but to characterize her as malicious or evil or the sole problem is presumptive at best and dishonest otherwise. We don't have access to the truth here. It's in the best interests of the players to come up with a story that will allow them to continue to play Sc2 competitively. I don't mean to say that they're lying, but it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if they'd omitted details or put a positive spin on events in which they were more complicit than they'd care to admit.
Jessica may be overbearing, but it's clear that she really does care about her players in a sort of motherly fashion. While that may have been her downfall, her statement doesn't suddenly fly out the window because MMA released a different version. The intelligent thing to do would be to try and find out which of the statements is actually accurate, not presume the one from everyone's favourite Terran is correct just because he made a controversial comment about Boxer.
(On a side note, I'm amazed that all these people who have never been to Korea are suddenly talking as if MMA's accusation about Boxer quitting because of Jessica is some sort of infallible comment simply because of how important it is). This. So much!
I don't know (and really, don't care) who is right in this case. Most likely, none, anyway. What I absolutely against Jessica for is how she threw her players under the bus (and taking swipes at Ganzi and Taeja, who left team quite sometime ago, while at it). No matter what difficulties they might had, no respectable organization would do something like this (not to mention it's not exactly some "motherly" thing to do).
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On October 23 2012 06:53 achan1058 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 06:51 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 23 2012 06:40 TrickyGilligan wrote:On October 23 2012 06:35 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 23 2012 06:32 BRaegO wrote:On October 23 2012 06:30 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 23 2012 06:28 BRaegO wrote:On October 23 2012 06:26 sc2superfan101 wrote:On October 23 2012 06:24 namori wrote:On October 23 2012 06:20 sc2superfan101 wrote:
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no, but I am seeing a lot of "Oh shit, MMA says different so Jessica is a bitch!" comments in here. Because TL is full misogynist neckbeards who live on their parents basement omg, look at the post right below you. lol... I love it when people just prove me right. *sigh* I love it when people like you categorize others for the words they use. Would you have preferred I said asshole? Or Jessica was a "bad girl". Grow up kid. I didn't categorize you, I just thought it was hilarious that you did exactly what I said (someone like) you would do. I didn't realize being grown up was calling someone you don't know a bitch for doing things that haven't been confirmed to have been done. guess I learn something new every day, right? And "someone like you would do" isn't categorizing? Apparently you aren't one of the kids that are learning something new everyday.(psst categorizing... do you see it.. one of those kids)... look: I said that there were a lot of people saying: "MMA said different, so that proves Jessica is a bitch." than you come out, right after, and say, basically: "MMA says different, so that proves Jessica is a manipulative bitch." so I lol'd at the irony and pointed it out, and then you got mad. well, I'm gonna give you a reason to be really mad, because I'm about to really categorize you: people like you, who jump to conclusions based on nothing, are the problem. not Jessica, not MMA. You and all your ilk. have a nice day. There have been literally hundreds of pages of drama surrounding this. We're way past the point of "jumping to conclusions based on nothing." This is TL though, so I guess we need 3 different peer-reviewed sources before we can make a decision about anything. jumping to conclusions based on the biased statement of one side is pretty much jumping to conclusions based on nothing. especially when this thread has become, basically, a discussion about Boxer and Jessica's love-life between people who have almost all: 1) never met either of them, and 2) don't even speak the same language as them... anyone saying that Jessica is just a manipulative bitch is, in my opinion, jumping to conclusions. I would have agreed, if it wasn't for the fact that she has a recorded phone call. That alone shifted my view of "having the best intentions, but not the most competent" to "malicious".
it's pretty common to record telephone calls if you are worried that the content of the call might be relevant later in some controversy. I'm not saying that Jessica did nothing wrong, but just her recording a call is not enough to suddenly label her as maliciously trying to hurt people.
it is assumptions like this that seem to have caused the whole controversy in the first place...
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