EPTEclypsia cheating on stream audience - Page 9
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JimmyHollow
United Kingdom249 Posts
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SEA KarMa
Australia452 Posts
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yanot
France130 Posts
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TigerKarl
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hypercube
Hungary2735 Posts
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Agathon
France1505 Posts
On October 10 2012 14:52 Whitewing wrote: I'm not sure who this hurts or why this is a big deal, but at the same time, it just feels.... slimy. It could hurt teams like Millenium/aAa/O'gaming(aka Iron Squid staff) who work very hard in France to provide a good streaming content. If they have to speak with a sponsor, they'll show the digit from their streams saying "See, we have many viewers everyday, with us, you could show your stuff to your main marketing target : french gamers". And the sponsor to answer "Well...300k viewer a month, not bad, but sorry, Eclypsia makes 1 million a day, you know...it's better for us to work with them" Here's the big deal. | ||
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ShotgunMike
Sweden241 Posts
Might be an overreaction but it is really shady and if they do make money from ads being showed like this they do rip of someone money that could have been used better. | ||
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stard1n
50 Posts
I don't agree with people in this thread saying that this is somehow funny. This is potentially a reason why good streamers only get a few cents per ad they run. If an ad-provider think stuff like this is going on they will have to reduce the payment per ad, meaning less money coming to those that need it the most. I would like to argue that this is fraud and that Eclypsia is ripping off both the ad-providers and possibly others that stream for a living. Might be an overreaction but it is really shady and if they do make money from ads being showed like this they do rip of someone money that could have been used better. This is obviously a crime, and it's hurting esports. I'd like to see them sued. | ||
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LastDance
New Zealand510 Posts
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AzureHath
Bulgaria154 Posts
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CodeskyE
United States777 Posts
loool sick build FXOBoSs | ||
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EtherealDeath
United States8366 Posts
LOL it's like that guy who complained in feedback forum about getting porn sites in the ads. | ||
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nettleberry
United States201 Posts
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bonse
125 Posts
The number of views means nothing. I never saw Eclypsia bragging about the number of views, it's reddit ppl who have nothing better to do than compare viewer numbers among channels. I don't think Eclypsia needs to make a living out of Twitch money, and in any case, Twitch.tv should know not to give money for viewers who have the stream very small, or not even active (that is running in the background) | ||
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tuukster
Finland114 Posts
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RouaF
France4120 Posts
... :D Knew since day 1 Eclypsia wasn't there because of their passion for eSports. | ||
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Mauldo
United States750 Posts
So...they're actually not stealing money from anyone. The ad revenue is legit (someone saw that ad, didn't they?) and stream views are technically legit. It's an accepted business practice to embed ads on sites. The only difference is that this is an Eclypsia stream, which no one liked in the first place. I'd like to see the criminal/civil case all of these TL/Reddit detectives would levy against the team. I mean, don't get me wrong, it's shady as fuck. But you're not going to get them to stop because it's illegal. If you start the usual Reddit pitchfork/sponsor/vigilante drama, then sure, maybe. But other than that, you haven't exactly caught Kingpin with his hand in the cookie jar. | ||
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Otolia
France5805 Posts
I don't really understand all the ruckus about this ... | ||
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mememolly
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Cascade
Australia5405 Posts
On October 10 2012 16:42 ShotgunMike wrote: I don't agree with people in this thread saying that this is somehow funny. This is potentially a reason why good streamers only get a few cents per ad they run. If an ad-provider think stuff like this is going on they will have to reduce the payment per ad, meaning less money coming to those that need it the most. I would like to argue that this is fraud and that Eclypsia is ripping off both the ad-providers and possibly others that stream for a living. Might be an overreaction but it is really shady and if they do make money from ads being showed like this they do rip of someone money that could have been used better. You are of course right that this is not good for ESPORTS etc. And I also agree on your last note that this single (I hope!) incident is maybe not THAT big of a deal. Not that it should go ignored, but it hopefully shouldn't do significant damage to the scene at a large scale. Don't see why it can't be funny at the same time though, the way they got caught with the hand - no a shovel and wheelbarrow - in the cookie jar and that chart suddenly jumping of to many thousand times before. "The community finds it suspicious with your suddenly increased stream numbers." "We just put some more effort into providing better content, which payed of with increased view numbers." "There are 11,000 times as many viewers not compared to a few weeks ago." "We just have that good content now. You should go check out our streams." Legit! :D | ||
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