After all the shit the pulled at their beginning, one could almost think that the Eclypsia "organization" would have become somewhat reputable now, but obviously they haven't.

hypercube

Hungary2735 Posts

October 10 2012 07:31 GMT

#165

There are few things I hate more than the culturally accepted lies and deception euphemistically called advertising. Then again I doubt Eclypsia is trying to make a political point here, so this is basically just fraud and the fact that the primary victims are fraudsters themselves doesn't really make it right.

Agathon

France1505 Posts

October 10 2012 07:35 GMT

#166

On October 10 2012 14:52 Whitewing wrote:
I'm not sure who this hurts or why this is a big deal, but at the same time, it just feels.... slimy.

It could hurt teams like Millenium/aAa/O'gaming(aka Iron Squid staff) who work very hard in France to provide a good streaming content.

If they have to speak with a sponsor, they'll show the digit from their streams saying "See, we have many viewers everyday, with us, you could show your stuff to your main marketing target : french gamers".

And the sponsor to answer "Well...300k viewer a month, not bad, but sorry, Eclypsia makes 1 million a day, you know...it's better for us to work with them"

Here's the big deal.

ShotgunMike

Sweden241 Posts

October 10 2012 07:42 GMT

#167

I don't agree with people in this thread saying that this is somehow funny. This is potentially a reason why good streamers only get a few cents per ad they run. If an ad-provider think stuff like this is going on they will have to reduce the payment per ad, meaning less money coming to those that need it the most. I would like to argue that this is fraud and that Eclypsia is ripping off both the ad-providers and possibly others that stream for a living.

Might be an overreaction but it is really shady and if they do make money from ads being showed like this they do rip of someone money that could have been used better.

stard1n

50 Posts

October 10 2012 07:46 GMT

#168

This is obviously a crime, and it's hurting esports. I'd like to see them sued.

LastDance

New Zealand510 Posts

October 10 2012 07:50 GMT

#169

this is a new low.....

AzureHath

Bulgaria154 Posts

October 10 2012 07:54 GMT

#170

Pretty cute trick, but the fact that it comes from Eclypsia doesn't surprise me at all.

CodeskyE

United States777 Posts

October 10 2012 08:24 GMT

#171

On October 10 2012 14:25 FXOBoSs wrote:

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EtherealDeath

United States8366 Posts

October 10 2012 08:26 GMT

#172

On October 10 2012 17:24 CodeskyE wrote:

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LOL it's like that guy who complained in feedback forum about getting porn sites in the ads.

nettleberry

United States201 Posts

October 10 2012 08:32 GMT

#173

This is just sad. Eclypsia could've been something, but instead chose to use trickery to try and get ahead. I hope people can learn a lesson from this and not make the same mistakes in the future.

bonse

125 Posts

October 10 2012 08:42 GMT

#174

Actually I think it's a good way to attract people who otherwise would not open a starcraft stream. They go to those websites to be entertained, they see the stream and if the casting is engaging enough they might be hooked.
The number of views means nothing. I never saw Eclypsia bragging about the number of views, it's reddit ppl who have nothing better to do than compare viewer numbers among channels.
I don't think Eclypsia needs to make a living out of Twitch money, and in any case, Twitch.tv should know not to give money for viewers who have the stream very small, or not even active (that is running in the background)

tuukster

Finland114 Posts

October 10 2012 08:48 GMT

#175

Scumbag Eclypsia. It's a shame to see people doing scams and shit, when the rest are legitimately trying to build a strong scene.

RouaF

France4120 Posts

October 10 2012 08:53 GMT

#176

Looks legit to me.
... :D Knew since day 1 Eclypsia wasn't there because of their passion for eSports.

Mauldo

United States750 Posts

October 10 2012 09:19 GMT

#177

People do this all the time. You'll see embedded movie ads and shit on pages on the not-quite-as-legit websites every day. It's actually really annoying, because everywhere I've seen an embedded movie ad I couldn't mute it. Then they usually did a full-page ad as well, so I'd soon be able to punch a hole in my wall than mute anything going on. Easy way to ruin a day.

So...they're actually not stealing money from anyone. The ad revenue is legit (someone saw that ad, didn't they?) and stream views are technically legit. It's an accepted business practice to embed ads on sites. The only difference is that this is an Eclypsia stream, which no one liked in the first place. I'd like to see the criminal/civil case all of these TL/Reddit detectives would levy against the team.

I mean, don't get me wrong, it's shady as fuck. But you're not going to get them to stop because it's illegal. If you start the usual Reddit pitchfork/sponsor/vigilante drama, then sure, maybe. But other than that, you haven't exactly caught Kingpin with his hand in the cookie jar.

Otolia

France5805 Posts

October 10 2012 09:21 GMT

#178

Very common in the web industry. Almost every major news website are charging pages behind the one you are seeing in order to get more clicks. Eclypsia seems to have a lot of educated web designer so it doesn't surprise me.

I don't really understand all the ruckus about this ...

mememolly

4765 Posts

October 10 2012 09:22 GMT

#179

kind of shady but that's capitalism for you, I'm sure if EG got idra's stream on the first page of youtube and it autoplayed it would be considered good marketing

Cascade

Australia5405 Posts

October 10 2012 09:26 GMT

#180

On October 10 2012 16:42 ShotgunMike wrote:
I don't agree with people in this thread saying that this is somehow funny. This is potentially a reason why good streamers only get a few cents per ad they run. If an ad-provider think stuff like this is going on they will have to reduce the payment per ad, meaning less money coming to those that need it the most. I would like to argue that this is fraud and that Eclypsia is ripping off both the ad-providers and possibly others that stream for a living.

Might be an overreaction but it is really shady and if they do make money from ads being showed like this they do rip of someone money that could have been used better.

You are of course right that this is not good for ESPORTS etc. And I also agree on your last note that this single (I hope!) incident is maybe not THAT big of a deal. Not that it should go ignored, but it hopefully shouldn't do significant damage to the scene at a large scale.

Don't see why it can't be funny at the same time though, the way they got caught with the hand - no a shovel and wheelbarrow - in the cookie jar and that chart suddenly jumping of to many thousand times before.

"The community finds it suspicious with your suddenly increased stream numbers."
"We just put some more effort into providing better content, which payed of with increased view numbers."
"There are 11,000 times as many viewers not compared to a few weeks ago."
"We just have that good content now. You should go check out our streams."
Legit! :D