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JimmyHollow
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom249 Posts
October 10 2012 07:24 GMT
#161
Jesus there is nothing... only drama and some stupid things coming out from Eclypsia...
SEA KarMa
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia452 Posts
October 10 2012 07:26 GMT
#162
Shame and more shame on Eclypsia. Time to disband?
"terrible, terrible damage". terrible, terrible design.
yanot
Profile Joined March 2010
France130 Posts
October 10 2012 07:27 GMT
#163
haha SOOO eager to see their official PR about this. I can't see how they will get out of this without damage.
TigerKarl
Profile Joined November 2010
1757 Posts
October 10 2012 07:29 GMT
#164
After all the shit the pulled at their beginning, one could almost think that the Eclypsia "organization" would have become somewhat reputable now, but obviously they haven't.
hypercube
Profile Joined April 2010
Hungary2735 Posts
October 10 2012 07:31 GMT
#165
There are few things I hate more than the culturally accepted lies and deception euphemistically called advertising. Then again I doubt Eclypsia is trying to make a political point here, so this is basically just fraud and the fact that the primary victims are fraudsters themselves doesn't really make it right.
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Agathon
Profile Joined February 2011
France1505 Posts
October 10 2012 07:35 GMT
#166
On October 10 2012 14:52 Whitewing wrote:
I'm not sure who this hurts or why this is a big deal, but at the same time, it just feels.... slimy.


It could hurt teams like Millenium/aAa/O'gaming(aka Iron Squid staff) who work very hard in France to provide a good streaming content.

If they have to speak with a sponsor, they'll show the digit from their streams saying "See, we have many viewers everyday, with us, you could show your stuff to your main marketing target : french gamers".

And the sponsor to answer "Well...300k viewer a month, not bad, but sorry, Eclypsia makes 1 million a day, you know...it's better for us to work with them"

Here's the big deal.

"C'est au pied du mur, qu'on voit le mieux...le mur".
ShotgunMike
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden241 Posts
October 10 2012 07:42 GMT
#167
I don't agree with people in this thread saying that this is somehow funny. This is potentially a reason why good streamers only get a few cents per ad they run. If an ad-provider think stuff like this is going on they will have to reduce the payment per ad, meaning less money coming to those that need it the most. I would like to argue that this is fraud and that Eclypsia is ripping off both the ad-providers and possibly others that stream for a living.

Might be an overreaction but it is really shady and if they do make money from ads being showed like this they do rip of someone money that could have been used better.
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stard1n
Profile Joined September 2012
50 Posts
October 10 2012 07:46 GMT
#168
I don't agree with people in this thread saying that this is somehow funny. This is potentially a reason why good streamers only get a few cents per ad they run. If an ad-provider think stuff like this is going on they will have to reduce the payment per ad, meaning less money coming to those that need it the most. I would like to argue that this is fraud and that Eclypsia is ripping off both the ad-providers and possibly others that stream for a living.

Might be an overreaction but it is really shady and if they do make money from ads being showed like this they do rip of someone money that could have been used better.


This is obviously a crime, and it's hurting esports. I'd like to see them sued.
LastDance
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
New Zealand510 Posts
October 10 2012 07:50 GMT
#169
this is a new low.....
AzureHath
Profile Joined October 2011
Bulgaria154 Posts
October 10 2012 07:54 GMT
#170
Pretty cute trick, but the fact that it comes from Eclypsia doesn't surprise me at all.
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CodeskyE
Profile Joined January 2011
United States777 Posts
October 10 2012 08:24 GMT
#171

On October 10 2012 14:25 FXOBoSs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2012 14:22 XERtirips wrote:
LOL

I go onto the les site and I find a girl being raped by a dog :/

ok back on topic.

This is stupid. EC should stop being so wanting and just deal with what is reality >.<


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EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
October 10 2012 08:26 GMT
#172
On October 10 2012 17:24 CodeskyE wrote:

Show nested quote +
On October 10 2012 14:25 FXOBoSs wrote:
On October 10 2012 14:22 XERtirips wrote:
LOL

I go onto the les site and I find a girl being raped by a dog :/

ok back on topic.

This is stupid. EC should stop being so wanting and just deal with what is reality >.<


Its based on your search cookies



loool sick build FXOBoSs




LOL it's like that guy who complained in feedback forum about getting porn sites in the ads.
nettleberry
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States201 Posts
October 10 2012 08:32 GMT
#173
This is just sad. Eclypsia could've been something, but instead chose to use trickery to try and get ahead. I hope people can learn a lesson from this and not make the same mistakes in the future.
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bonse
Profile Joined July 2011
125 Posts
October 10 2012 08:42 GMT
#174
Actually I think it's a good way to attract people who otherwise would not open a starcraft stream. They go to those websites to be entertained, they see the stream and if the casting is engaging enough they might be hooked.
The number of views means nothing. I never saw Eclypsia bragging about the number of views, it's reddit ppl who have nothing better to do than compare viewer numbers among channels.
I don't think Eclypsia needs to make a living out of Twitch money, and in any case, Twitch.tv should know not to give money for viewers who have the stream very small, or not even active (that is running in the background)
tuukster
Profile Joined April 2010
Finland114 Posts
October 10 2012 08:48 GMT
#175
Scumbag Eclypsia. It's a shame to see people doing scams and shit, when the rest are legitimately trying to build a strong scene.
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RouaF
Profile Joined October 2010
France4121 Posts
October 10 2012 08:53 GMT
#176
Looks legit to me.
... :D Knew since day 1 Eclypsia wasn't there because of their passion for eSports.
Mauldo
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States750 Posts
October 10 2012 09:19 GMT
#177
People do this all the time. You'll see embedded movie ads and shit on pages on the not-quite-as-legit websites every day. It's actually really annoying, because everywhere I've seen an embedded movie ad I couldn't mute it. Then they usually did a full-page ad as well, so I'd soon be able to punch a hole in my wall than mute anything going on. Easy way to ruin a day.

So...they're actually not stealing money from anyone. The ad revenue is legit (someone saw that ad, didn't they?) and stream views are technically legit. It's an accepted business practice to embed ads on sites. The only difference is that this is an Eclypsia stream, which no one liked in the first place. I'd like to see the criminal/civil case all of these TL/Reddit detectives would levy against the team.

I mean, don't get me wrong, it's shady as fuck. But you're not going to get them to stop because it's illegal. If you start the usual Reddit pitchfork/sponsor/vigilante drama, then sure, maybe. But other than that, you haven't exactly caught Kingpin with his hand in the cookie jar.
Otolia
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
France5805 Posts
October 10 2012 09:21 GMT
#178
Very common in the web industry. Almost every major news website are charging pages behind the one you are seeing in order to get more clicks. Eclypsia seems to have a lot of educated web designer so it doesn't surprise me.

I don't really understand all the ruckus about this ...
mememolly
Profile Joined December 2011
4765 Posts
October 10 2012 09:22 GMT
#179
kind of shady but that's capitalism for you, I'm sure if EG got idra's stream on the first page of youtube and it autoplayed it would be considered good marketing
Cascade
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Australia5405 Posts
October 10 2012 09:26 GMT
#180
On October 10 2012 16:42 ShotgunMike wrote:
I don't agree with people in this thread saying that this is somehow funny. This is potentially a reason why good streamers only get a few cents per ad they run. If an ad-provider think stuff like this is going on they will have to reduce the payment per ad, meaning less money coming to those that need it the most. I would like to argue that this is fraud and that Eclypsia is ripping off both the ad-providers and possibly others that stream for a living.

Might be an overreaction but it is really shady and if they do make money from ads being showed like this they do rip of someone money that could have been used better.

You are of course right that this is not good for ESPORTS etc. And I also agree on your last note that this single (I hope!) incident is maybe not THAT big of a deal. Not that it should go ignored, but it hopefully shouldn't do significant damage to the scene at a large scale.

Don't see why it can't be funny at the same time though, the way they got caught with the hand - no a shovel and wheelbarrow - in the cookie jar and that chart suddenly jumping of to many thousand times before.

"The community finds it suspicious with your suddenly increased stream numbers."
"We just put some more effort into providing better content, which payed of with increased view numbers."
"There are 11,000 times as many viewers not compared to a few weeks ago."
"We just have that good content now. You should go check out our streams."
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