EPTEclypsia cheating on stream audience - Page 10
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Avean
Norway449 Posts
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8mmspikes
United States1704 Posts
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y0su
Finland7871 Posts
On October 10 2012 18:19 Mauldo wrote: People do this all the time. You'll see embedded movie ads and shit on pages on the not-quite-as-legit websites every day. It's actually really annoying, because everywhere I've seen an embedded movie ad I couldn't mute it. Then they usually did a full-page ad as well, so I'd soon be able to punch a hole in my wall than mute anything going on. Easy way to ruin a day. So...they're actually not stealing money from anyone. The ad revenue is legit (someone saw that ad, didn't they?) and stream views are technically legit. It's an accepted business practice to embed ads on sites. The only difference is that this is an Eclypsia stream, which no one liked in the first place. I'd like to see the criminal/civil case all of these TL/Reddit detectives would levy against the team. I mean, don't get me wrong, it's shady as fuck. But you're not going to get them to stop because it's illegal. If you start the usual Reddit pitchfork/sponsor/vigilante drama, then sure, maybe. But other than that, you haven't exactly caught Kingpin with his hand in the cookie jar. On October 10 2012 18:21 Otolia wrote: Very common in the web industry. Almost every major news website are charging pages behind the one you are seeing in order to get more clicks. Eclypsia seems to have a lot of educated web designer so it doesn't surprise me. I don't really understand all the ruckus about this ... This is kind of what I'm thinking... If they're getting people to I understand that you can't judge the size of their following based on this, but I don't really see the "cheating" here. Am I missing why other organizations aren't doing this? | ||
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nkr
Sweden5451 Posts
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digmouse
China6331 Posts
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Zaphid
Czech Republic1860 Posts
On October 10 2012 18:19 Mauldo wrote: So...they're actually not stealing money from anyone. The ad revenue is legit (someone saw that ad, didn't they?) and stream views are technically legit. It's an accepted business practice to embed ads on sites. The only difference is that this is an Eclypsia stream, which no one liked in the first place. I'd like to see the criminal/civil case all of these TL/Reddit detectives would levy against the team. I mean, don't get me wrong, it's shady as fuck. But you're not going to get them to stop because it's illegal. If you start the usual Reddit pitchfork/sponsor/vigilante drama, then sure, maybe. But other than that, you haven't exactly caught Kingpin with his hand in the cookie jar. The ad revenues isn't legit, nobody saw the add and it was played in the background. It's the equivalent of some streamers just going afk and playing ad after ad because they know people watching want to support them or don't care. It devalues the ads for everyone else. It's standard business practice to embed visible ads, not invisible ones running in the background that you can't mute. | ||
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felisconcolori
United States6168 Posts
On October 10 2012 18:53 Zaphid wrote: The ad revenues isn't legit, nobody saw the add and it was played in the background. It's the equivalent of some streamers just going afk and playing ad after ad because they know people watching want to support them or don't care. It devalues the ads for everyone else. It's standard business practice to embed visible ads, not invisible ones running in the background that you can't mute. ^^^ This, but worse. This is a lot more like "click" fraud against advertising networks. It also is going to slap anyone that visits those sites and has a bandwidth cap. It's unethical, and possibly illegal in some jurisdictions. Why? Becaust it is NOT the same as just running a stream with nothing going on but ads. In that event, people watching the stream will at least see the ads. This is the same as loading a metric tonne of ads in a hidden iFrame, and then charging (or being paid by the ad network) for the number of people that "saw" the ads. Except they never did, because the ads themselves are not visible. It's getting paid on the premise that you are providing advertising exposure, while never actually providing that exposure. It's the kind of behavior I'd expect out of a blackhat hacker or shady torrent/porn/drive-by malware infection site. (Not all torrent or pr0n sites are shady.) It's a form of fraud, getting paid for providing a service you aren't providing. It also destroys any confidence an advertising provider may have in the industry, ie it hurts eSports since eSports as an industry is heavily reliant on sponsorship and advertising to fuel the freemium model. I guess people that don't see the problem love PPV? TL;dr - it's like paying a company to promote an event, and they charge you for producing and posting a huge ad campaign. Except they posted it in a locked, windowless warehouse and don't let anyone in. Eclypsia - hurting eSports. | ||
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britneysbeers
United Kingdom22 Posts
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KnightwhoSaysNI
Canada60 Posts
On October 10 2012 19:31 britneysbeers wrote: Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't really see much wrong with this. Websites like to provide content they beleive their viewers will be interested in. I don't think that what they are doing is anything worse than expossing their product (which happens to be SC2) to a larger audience. There are not too many French streams of SC2 yet France has one of the best progammers in the world. Larger audience exposed to SC2- we must condemn them for spreading esports and putting SC2 on more users screens. Please I want to see more teams doing this its the whole point of advertising show someone something that interests them and allow them the choice to click and find out more, but them again I might have this completely wrong, as I say I don't see anything wrong with advertising you product. They arent exposing thier product, they are using hidden imbeds to inflate thier viewer count. If this is generating ad revenue for phantom viewers through their stream provider, this is fraud. | ||
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bluQ
Germany1724 Posts
On October 10 2012 19:31 britneysbeers wrote: Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't really see much wrong with this. Websites like to provide content they beleive their viewers will be interested in. I don't think that what they are doing is anything worse than expossing their product (which happens to be SC2) to a larger audience. There are not too many French streams of SC2 yet France has one of the best progammers in the world. Larger audience exposed to SC2- we must condemn them for spreading esports and putting SC2 on more users screens. Please I want to see more teams doing this its the whole point of advertising show someone something that interests them and allow them the choice to click and find out more, but them again I might have this completely wrong, as I say I don't see anything wrong with advertising you product. Did you even bother to read the OP? Concluding from your post you didn't, maybe consider doing it so you know how dumb your post was. Farewell Eclysia and may you rott in hell. | ||
Amiralsims
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On October 10 2012 18:53 Zaphid wrote: The ad revenues isn't legit, nobody saw the add and it was played in the background. It's the equivalent of some streamers just going afk and playing ad after ad because they know people watching want to support them or don't care. It devalues the ads for everyone else. It's standard business practice to embed visible ads, not invisible ones running in the background that you can't mute. Sorry but it's legit. If you open a tab you can see the ad. For me it's smart. | ||
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GizmoPT
Portugal3040 Posts
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lolmlg
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lolmlg
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On October 10 2012 19:45 GizmoPT wrote: since when getting your stream in frontpage of a website is not legit ? i think its a good way to get viewers and expose your product... its liek saying that getting an advertisement in first page of website is not legit You didn't read the OP properly. | ||
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Fumba
France2 Posts
I'm not even surprised, they dont care at all about fans or even ethics. They showed it already a lot of times using silly ways to "ascend" on esports, only in order to make money. I just hope EC will fall down asap, cause they are ruining gaming, from the first day they just made french esports worst and worst. And they are so mad at millenium lol | ||
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britneysbeers
United Kingdom22 Posts
On October 10 2012 19:35 bluQ wrote: Did you even bother to read the OP? Concluding from your post you didn't, maybe consider doing it so you know how dumb your post was. Farewell Eclysia and may you rott in hell. I did read the first post and even went to the website, where I saw an embedded game stream playing on the front page. Which is why I said I didn't see anything wrong. I could not find any hidden stream playing- hence my confusion- perhaps you could post a screen shot of what it is I am missing. | ||
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Black[CAT]
Malaysia2589 Posts
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phil.ipp
Austria1067 Posts
do you understand the meaning of the word "hidden" | ||
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TheBloodyDwarf
Finland7524 Posts
On October 10 2012 15:06 smOOthMayDie wrote: Them not paying players the promised salary, not keeping in contact with the players, etc. Didnt Welmu and rest said that they got their salaries, not too little. It was just funny april day fool that tricked 90% readers. It was so funny to read them. And this amateur part of team Desrow, scarlett etc. (Back then!) left coz team didnt wanted to fly them to Korea. I realy thought and agree still why to send noobs to korea? Yeah, now they are much better but back then... | ||
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GizmoPT
Portugal3040 Posts
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