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tribulator
Profile Joined February 2011
774 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-10 12:55:48
October 10 2012 12:54 GMT
#221
Yeah i don't get why its being called "hidden". I've tested on 3 different browsers, no adblock, and its right fucking there. Hard to miss.

If it was actually hidden, i'd have issue. In this case? Its a bit of aggressive advertising on their partner sites. It happens, welcome to basic internet marketing.
PeAcY6969
Profile Joined January 2008
France621 Posts
October 10 2012 13:02 GMT
#222
Sad day for the community
"MBCGame HERO... What Else ?"
Hexesport
Profile Joined October 2012
France3 Posts
October 10 2012 13:04 GMT
#223
Just to be clear to those who think : "it's clever and it's not hidden it's in plain view !!"

The contract they have with Dailymotion and the Ads is for a Video Ad which means Video AND Sound. The stream is default set to "mute". So only that in itself is fraudy behaviour.

Also Ads are not always displayed randomly, they can be relievant to the viewers population you are aiming at. You will not display an Ad for Retirement Foundraising to a gamers community ... So by doing what they do, they make irrelevent 80% of the Ads they display which again is in contradiction to what a streaming contract with Dailymotion/Twitch/Own3d/etc... is supposed to be.
"Live and Share the passion"
Khonsou
Profile Joined September 2011
Dominican Republic275 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-10 13:05:04
October 10 2012 13:04 GMT
#224
Apart from Dailymotion I don't really see who would have an issue with the matter, since they don't have any sponsors. And you don't really spoil you audience by inflating numbers on a stream with free content.
It could call for a litigation with Dailymotion since they normally pay content creaters based on unique viewers (or so I imagine) but it's not really a matter of importance for stream viewers.

A French living under the sun
oZe
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden492 Posts
October 10 2012 13:05 GMT
#225
Things like this have been done in e-advertisement a long time. There are people working full time on getting random users to load pages with adds. Exploiting googles pagerank etc. Business is business there are no ethics when it comes to advertisement. I mean watch any TV channel and there will be subliminal or hypnotic tricks used all over. If you cannot see it you're getting owned ^^

"If you're in marketing. Kill yourself. No I'm not kidding. Just kill yourself." - Bill Hicks
The worst kinds of organized crime are religion & government.
KouSLR
Profile Joined July 2012
France2 Posts
October 10 2012 13:05 GMT
#226
I think they stopped it
now the stream is back to normal and has just 10 people on
what a drama !!! gg Eclypsia
MARINE IMBAAAAAAAAA
Khonsou
Profile Joined September 2011
Dominican Republic275 Posts
October 10 2012 13:05 GMT
#227
On October 10 2012 22:04 Hexesport wrote:
Just to be clear to those who think : "it's clever and it's not hidden it's in plain view !!"

The contract they have with Dailymotion and the Ads is for a Video Ad which means Video AND Sound. The stream is default set to "mute". So only that in itself is fraudy behaviour.

Also Ads are not always displayed randomly, they can be relievant to the viewers population you are aiming at. You will not display an Ad for Retirement Foundraising to a gamers community ... So by doing what they do, they make irrelevent 80% of the Ads they display which again is in contradiction to what a streaming contract with Dailymotion/Twitch/Own3d/etc... is supposed to be.


Yeah so, why the hell would it be worth a TL topic? It's a business matter between EC and Dailymotion.
A French living under the sun
Hexesport
Profile Joined October 2012
France3 Posts
October 10 2012 13:09 GMT
#228
On October 10 2012 22:05 Khonsou wrote:


Yeah so, why the hell would it be worth a TL topic? It's a business matter between EC and Dailymotion.


Because we are the eSport community, and as one, if we want to see eSports grow in a good way, we have to share and enlight good and bad behaviours.
We are the ones who make a team/player/caster hyped.
"Live and Share the passion"
sashkata
Profile Joined September 2008
Bulgaria3241 Posts
October 10 2012 13:10 GMT
#229
Sounds like a French team war type of thing to me.
Hexesport
Profile Joined October 2012
France3 Posts
October 10 2012 13:12 GMT
#230
On October 10 2012 22:10 sashkata wrote:
Sounds like a French team war type of thing to me.


It's not much of a war. It's about the legit teams trying their hard to make eSport bigger in France, to have the media and all have a credible look on it. And then you have shady guys spitting dust on that work.
"Live and Share the passion"
Kabras
Profile Joined June 2011
Romania3508 Posts
October 10 2012 13:14 GMT
#231
Meh, not worthy of a post tbh. don't see why would anyone care, it's not like they took the viewers' money or some shit. Except if you love drama. Oh wait..
"So playing SF in pubs, everyone remember that a very important point is that when using a carry hero like this you must be very selfish. Because working with team mates is a very dangerous thing" - 2009
Otolia
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
France5805 Posts
October 10 2012 13:22 GMT
#232
On October 10 2012 22:12 Hexesport wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2012 22:10 sashkata wrote:
Sounds like a French team war type of thing to me.


It's not much of a war. It's about the legit teams trying their hard to make eSport bigger in France, to have the media and all have a credible look on it. And then you have shady guys spitting dust on that work.

Well aAa has set themselves up as the whistle-blowers of french esports and until they change their legal status, they are unlikely to do anything else. It's not really a war, it's more aAa trying to gain views by doing investigation.
nebula.
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Sweden1431 Posts
October 10 2012 13:41 GMT
#233
holy shitnitz
I miss you July ~~~ I was in PonyTales #7 wooho!
ImustnotfeaR
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom154 Posts
October 10 2012 13:59 GMT
#234
hey guys, the zombies have to watch SOMEthing until it gets dark..
'Fear is the mind killer'
Deleted User 61629
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
1664 Posts
October 10 2012 14:07 GMT
#235
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Spriki
Profile Joined April 2012
216 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-10 14:08:56
October 10 2012 14:08 GMT
#236
an organization with the worst reputation in the community doing their best to make it worse

nice one Eclypsia
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RyanRushia
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2748 Posts
October 10 2012 15:31 GMT
#237
this is scummy, but not entirely surprising unfortunately given their history
I saw the angel in the marble and carved until I set him free. | coL.Ryan | www.twitter.com/coL_RyanR
FatkiddsLag
Profile Joined May 2010
United States413 Posts
October 10 2012 15:34 GMT
#238
My big question is: What are streaming sites like Twitch going to do to stop this from happening? They can't stop embedding and they can't make everyone who wants to watch log in. Maybe something like Pandora that asks if the person is still there? I feel like this could actually be a problem in the future of streaming if it isn't sorted out.
FatkiddsLag
Profile Joined May 2010
United States413 Posts
October 10 2012 15:37 GMT
#239
On October 10 2012 23:07 Inori wrote:
sensationalist OP.

- Streams are clearly visible.
- One of the websites even has a description right next to stream.
- Stream controls are easily accessible.


The biggest issue is that people who go to those sites aren't looking at the stream and thus not the ads. Also, sponsors should have the ability to choose where their ads get placed. They don't want their products associated with certain sites for a reason.
sbroon
Profile Joined November 2011
United Kingdom23 Posts
October 10 2012 15:41 GMT
#240
Seriously, how is this team even still going? Surely people have lost all confidence in them by now.
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