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I told you so.
Kespa wouldn't be Kespa without pulling shenanigans like this.
Hopefully, Blizzard will do something about this.
Fuck Dogspa.
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Fuck kespa, let them die off and let GomTV take over for sc2 with TV rights, while the BW scene has epic pros, they are all getting old and sc2 will breed a new generation of Pros.
Blizzard should back gomtv all the way, they have always been fair to their players and it seems like they genuinely appreciate them.
Any other sports league in the world wouldn't get away with what Kepsa has done over the years, they should play by blizzard and GOM rules, or keep broadcasting BW for another 10 years... lol.
The korean population are surely moving off brood war onto sc2 by now? how interesting can brood war be at that resolution in this day and age.
How bout we all watch some WC2 on a big screen.... damn aren't they some awesome shitty pixels killing those other pixels ;/
Kespa, eat shit and die.
rant over.
User was temp banned for this post.
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On August 23 2012 21:32 boxman22 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 21:21 Salazarz wrote:On August 23 2012 21:13 Crushinator wrote:On August 23 2012 21:09 Salazarz wrote:On August 23 2012 21:07 Daray wrote:On August 23 2012 21:01 Salazarz wrote:
It really boggles my mind how everyone keeps attacking KeSPA for being this evil corporation out to make money and destroy the scene with their atrocities. They are literally the most successful e-sports association ever created; they are the ones who made e-sports on TV (even if just in one country), and massive live e-sports events a norm. Starcraft 2 had nearly 3 years without their 'evil' and with plenty of opportunities to draw on their experiences before KeSPA was allowed to step in - and what do you see? There isn't a single team or organization that is anywhere remotely as influential or well-structured as the KeSPA leagues are. IF it comes down to a business competition between KeSPA and GOM and GOM ends up losing it, they have no one but themselves to blame - even though I don't believe that's what is happening.
BW over 10 years history while being on TV and SC2 2 years and only being streamed. KeSPA runs a monopoly while GOM doesn't so there's really no competition, in that you are right. KeSPA didn't "run a monopoly" - they built EVERYTHING from grounds up and did something no one else managed to do, before them nor after them. Considering the success of KeSPA, you'd think someone would go and replicate their success with SC2 - but nobody even really tried, either for the lack of effort, or the lack of interest in it. Regardless of the reasons, KeSPA are the ones with the experience and savvy to make something like that happen. Why is it a bad thing? They did run a monopoly in BW, did they not? They had complete control of the factors needed to make BW tournaments work. Namely the players, and eliminated all the competition by making access to them impossible. It seems they are trying to do the same again, and I think that would be a very bad thing. They CREATED this monopoly, by being miles and leagues ahead of any other attempt at running of an e-sports event. They built up all the infrastructure, helped with team organization, kept things like player trades etc civil. They are basically everything any organized sports scene needs, and what SC2 lacks. On a side note, I'm pretty sure the term 'monopoly' isn't even applicable, just like FIFA or UEFA or whatever isn't exactly a monopoly on football. FIFA or UEFA don't have a monopoly on football because players can go where they like and you very often see people move. Look at how many leagues there are. Premier league, bundesleague, la liga, (even MLS -_-) etc. If the Premier League said its players can't play on their national team, people would probably complain.
FIFA does have a (natural) monopoly on football competition. Perhaps KeSPA will have a natural monopoly in Korea in the future aswell. The difference between FIFA and KeSPA is that FIFA does not own the teams. The teams are technically free to enter or leave any league they like. Right now there is room for competition or cooperation in the Korean market, but KeSPA is denying competition by monopolizing resources. If Kespa offer such a superior product so that GOM can't compete, I would have no problem with GOM dying.
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On August 23 2012 21:40 Sbrubbles wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 21:34 Talin wrote:On August 23 2012 21:32 Sbrubbles wrote:On August 23 2012 21:21 xrapture wrote:On August 23 2012 21:09 Sbrubbles wrote:On August 23 2012 20:50 xrapture wrote:On August 23 2012 20:48 Sbrubbles wrote:On August 23 2012 20:42 imMUTAble787 wrote:
Maybe someone could clue me in, but what exactly have the KeSPA players accomplished in SC2 that warrants any sort of appearance fee ? This. As of now, there's not a single reason kespa or kespa players should receive any more money than regular Code A participants. It would be unfair to non-kespa Code A players if Gom did so. Yea, let's ignore the fact that Gom will get a lot more subscriptions if Kespa players were in the GSL or that their ratings would be higher than any other "Code A participant" could make them. Code A is a tournament. Prizes should be distributed on a scale of tournament placement, not on a scale of popularity. If including Kespa players will add to Gom's viewership, this should reflect in the tournament prizes, not in any direct payment to popular players/team/whatever Kespa is (in other words, more popularity=prizes go up, not more popularity=popularity gets rewarded with direct payment). If Idra (or any popular foreigner) got seeded into Code A, do you think it would be fair for him to receive more money from Gom than the Code S player who placed 4th (for example)? Kespa is exercising control over their players to, I believe, wipe out Gom in the coming months/year. Exercising control over their players is horrible for us viewers because we want to see everyone playing together. We want all Gom players playing in the Kespa tournament and we want all Kespa players playing in the Gom tournament, not this manipulative bullshit. Will you stop saying "we"? I assumed everyone on TL wanted to see the maximum player quality possible in a tournament. Your exception is duly noted. That's a very simplistic way of looking at things. If you think it's simplistic, critique it by all means! Isn't that the point of a forum discussion?
Well, that sentence was too simplistic (and snide/snappy) - so calling it simplistic was the only criticism I can give. It just doesn't portray the issue accurately at all.
If you're willing to elaborate further on your thoughts behind that sentence, then I could be more elaborate in my criticism of it (or potentially agreement with it) as well!
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pretty sure this is to do with Kespa thinking their players aren't ready
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On August 23 2012 21:41 Goldfish wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 20:32 Dodgin wrote:On August 23 2012 20:29 TrainSamurai wrote:On August 23 2012 20:28 mrtomjones wrote:On August 23 2012 20:25 TrainSamurai wrote:This is just ANOTHER CASE OF GOM wanting to make money off KeSPA player's image without paying jackshit in comparison. On August 23 2012 20:25 Dodgin wrote:On August 23 2012 20:23 TrainSamurai wrote:On August 23 2012 20:22 Dodgin wrote:On August 23 2012 20:21 TrainSamurai wrote:On August 23 2012 20:19 [thork] wrote:
do you remember last weeks kespa - gom agreement? i think kespa deceived gom.
kespa not playing fair as always. not caring about the game as always. kespa being kespa as always.
gom should cancel the agreement or file a lawsuit
Don't give me that weak sauce argument. Morally speaking PAY the PLAYERS some SALARY. Er, they get paid for participating in GSL. Does that not count? Every single player in each GSL season gets paid. Every KeSPA player gets housing and food supplied. They don't always make it into the OSL but KeSPA still gives some pittance. GOM must pay ALL of them SOMETHING. GOM is just a tournament organizer though, it's not up to them to give players salary. That's what the teams are for. If you're talking about an appearance fee to play in GSL then that's a lot different than salary. Maybe Flash does deserve an appearance fee but as far as I know WCG never paid him to be in WCG and he did that willingly. BINGO. They all deserve a fee for even playing. We revolted under KeSPA to get those fees. Dude you are a terrible troll. Give it up. Gom doesnt own the players. The teams have the rights to them. Their salaries, food etc come from them. You don't have good first arguments let alone counter arguments. Then don't sulk when PROFESSIONAL players don't play in your tournament. I'm sure GOM is not happy but It's not like the kespa players get anything out of not competing, they are losing out on potential prize money ( and the money for winning GSL is nothing to laugh at, i think it's the same as OSL ) I don't get all the aggression against GOM. I started watching BW by watching Flash play against Boxer in proleague (before then, I just watched some replays in SC) and was a flash fan ever since (even though he lost). I was also one of those who leaned on the side that BW players would start owning it up if they switched to SC2, but despite that - I won't bother with OSL if KeSPA pulls all this stuff. Yeah, it's neat to see how BW players are doing (and comparing them to GSL players) but their fan power (currently) comes from BW and not SC2. Actually to be honest, I'm sort of drained and getting tired of watching SC2. The KeSPA vs GOM player (supposedly friendly) rivalry sparked my interest again but if that ends up not happening, that's a disappointment. eSports for me (well more specifically SC eSports) was "positive" entertainment I guess. It was nice seeing all the storylines which were done with little negativity. If KeSPA keeping its players exclusive to its own league (especially after GOM, KeSPA, Blizzard all agreed to work together), then I probably won't really enjoy watching it and will probably not bother watching it all together. I'm sure some others may feel the same way too (in fact, several already said in this thread that they won't bother with OSL if KeSPA keeps this up). I said it before but if KeSPA let some of their players (even B-teamers) try out for the GSL, then it's a win-win. It's free advertisement for OSL (for foreign viewers especially). It keeps eSports refreshing "and" positive.
Reddit starcraft seems to be warming up their pitchforks  I quite like that community lately
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On August 23 2012 21:44 fortheGG wrote:
pretty sure this is to do with Kespa thinking their players aren't ready
yup, gotta love the ppl who've only HEARD what kespa does immediately think the worst
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On August 23 2012 21:43 Talin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 21:40 Sbrubbles wrote:On August 23 2012 21:34 Talin wrote:On August 23 2012 21:32 Sbrubbles wrote:On August 23 2012 21:21 xrapture wrote:On August 23 2012 21:09 Sbrubbles wrote:On August 23 2012 20:50 xrapture wrote:On August 23 2012 20:48 Sbrubbles wrote:On August 23 2012 20:42 imMUTAble787 wrote:
Maybe someone could clue me in, but what exactly have the KeSPA players accomplished in SC2 that warrants any sort of appearance fee ? This. As of now, there's not a single reason kespa or kespa players should receive any more money than regular Code A participants. It would be unfair to non-kespa Code A players if Gom did so. Yea, let's ignore the fact that Gom will get a lot more subscriptions if Kespa players were in the GSL or that their ratings would be higher than any other "Code A participant" could make them. Code A is a tournament. Prizes should be distributed on a scale of tournament placement, not on a scale of popularity. If including Kespa players will add to Gom's viewership, this should reflect in the tournament prizes, not in any direct payment to popular players/team/whatever Kespa is (in other words, more popularity=prizes go up, not more popularity=popularity gets rewarded with direct payment). If Idra (or any popular foreigner) got seeded into Code A, do you think it would be fair for him to receive more money from Gom than the Code S player who placed 4th (for example)? Kespa is exercising control over their players to, I believe, wipe out Gom in the coming months/year. Exercising control over their players is horrible for us viewers because we want to see everyone playing together. We want all Gom players playing in the Kespa tournament and we want all Kespa players playing in the Gom tournament, not this manipulative bullshit. Will you stop saying "we"? I assumed everyone on TL wanted to see the maximum player quality possible in a tournament. Your exception is duly noted. That's a very simplistic way of looking at things. If you think it's simplistic, critique it by all means! Isn't that the point of a forum discussion? Well, that sentence was too simplistic (and snide/snappy) - so calling it simplistic was the only criticism I can give. It just doesn't portray the issue accurately at all. If you're willing to elaborate further on your thoughts behind that sentence, then I could be more elaborate in my criticism of it (or potentially agreement with it) as well!
Your point is the much more confusing one. What needs to be explained about his point? I don't understand who wouldn't want to see players able to play in any tournament they'd like to?
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On August 23 2012 21:36 Kleinmuuhg wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 21:25 seansye wrote:On August 23 2012 21:23 Pr0wler wrote:
So no KeSPA players in MLG, no KeSPA players in GSL... I guess nothing changed at all.
Also it looks like KeSPA sees GOM as opponent and not a partner. That is really sad thing. As Mvp said instead of building the korean scene, they will fight between each other. There are no Kespa players in MLG because MLG and SPL are scheduled to take place at the same time and it is the last week of the season with playoff spots on the line for 6 of the 8 teams. 5 / 8 teams dude, team 8 has his secured
Seeding is very important bro.
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On August 23 2012 21:45 Condor Hero wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 21:44 fortheGG wrote:
pretty sure this is to do with Kespa thinking their players aren't ready yup, gotta love the ppl who've only HEARD what kespa does immediately think the worst
People haven't even HEARD 'what KeSPA does', lol. Just the usual bandwagon hate, because finding something to be negative towards is much more fun than actually being reasonable. The fact that it's something closely related to what they 'enjoy' makes it even more fun to hate than hating LoL or what have you.
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On August 23 2012 21:36 mrtomjones wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 21:30 Crushinator wrote:On August 23 2012 21:19 mrtomjones wrote:On August 23 2012 21:17 Crushinator wrote:On August 23 2012 21:16 rasers wrote:On August 23 2012 21:13 Crushinator wrote:On August 23 2012 21:09 Salazarz wrote:On August 23 2012 21:07 Daray wrote:On August 23 2012 21:01 Salazarz wrote:
It really boggles my mind how everyone keeps attacking KeSPA for being this evil corporation out to make money and destroy the scene with their atrocities. They are literally the most successful e-sports association ever created; they are the ones who made e-sports on TV (even if just in one country), and massive live e-sports events a norm. Starcraft 2 had nearly 3 years without their 'evil' and with plenty of opportunities to draw on their experiences before KeSPA was allowed to step in - and what do you see? There isn't a single team or organization that is anywhere remotely as influential or well-structured as the KeSPA leagues are. IF it comes down to a business competition between KeSPA and GOM and GOM ends up losing it, they have no one but themselves to blame - even though I don't believe that's what is happening.
BW over 10 years history while being on TV and SC2 2 years and only being streamed. KeSPA runs a monopoly while GOM doesn't so there's really no competition, in that you are right. KeSPA didn't "run a monopoly" - they built EVERYTHING from grounds up and did something no one else managed to do, before them nor after them. Considering the success of KeSPA, you'd think someone would go and replicate their success with SC2 - but nobody even really tried, either for the lack of effort, or the lack of interest in it. Regardless of the reasons, KeSPA are the ones with the experience and savvy to make something like that happen. Why is it a bad thing? They did run a monopoly in BW, did they not? They had complete control of the factors needed to make BW tournaments work. Namely the players, and eliminated all the competition by making access to them impossible. It seems they are trying to do the same again, and I think that would be a very bad thing. They had monopoly in BW cause the rest sucks. compared 2 them. Then why not allow the players to participate in more tournaments? Bad business sense? Growing the whole scene is apparently a bad idea. They seem to want to own the small chunk there currently is instead of building a much bigger chunk. I don't think it is bad business sense. I think Kespa recognises it is in a unique position of power. They own the famous players that can make SC2 a success in Korea, and they have the contacts and infrastructure for television. GOM would die because the best non-Kespa players will want to join them for fame and wealth. If they are able to make this plan work, they will once again have a monopoly over esports in Korea. KeSPA in SC2 can be a great thing, but if they decide what the big name players can and can't do, that will be bad news for almost everyone. The key words there make your post a bit odd. "The international scene would decline." The international scene is bigger than the Korean scene and will be INSTRUMENTAL if SC2 is to continue moving forward, making more money etc etc. If Kespa doesnt care about the international scene just as much as the Korean one then they are fools.
lol, you do know who the main sponsors of Kespa's teams are, right? I am sure the korean scene for them is a LOT more important than the foreign scene. Would they like to grow in the foreign scene as well? Sure. But Korean scene will always come first. Look at something like Premier League in soccer in England. They have a big international audience and their teams travel all over the world in the OFF SEASON. Do you think they would travel during the season to other countries to play exhibitions? No.
I think we need to take a step back and not just look at it through the eyes of a foreign fan.
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On August 23 2012 21:49 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 21:36 mrtomjones wrote:On August 23 2012 21:30 Crushinator wrote:On August 23 2012 21:19 mrtomjones wrote:On August 23 2012 21:17 Crushinator wrote:On August 23 2012 21:16 rasers wrote:On August 23 2012 21:13 Crushinator wrote:On August 23 2012 21:09 Salazarz wrote:On August 23 2012 21:07 Daray wrote:On August 23 2012 21:01 Salazarz wrote:
It really boggles my mind how everyone keeps attacking KeSPA for being this evil corporation out to make money and destroy the scene with their atrocities. They are literally the most successful e-sports association ever created; they are the ones who made e-sports on TV (even if just in one country), and massive live e-sports events a norm. Starcraft 2 had nearly 3 years without their 'evil' and with plenty of opportunities to draw on their experiences before KeSPA was allowed to step in - and what do you see? There isn't a single team or organization that is anywhere remotely as influential or well-structured as the KeSPA leagues are. IF it comes down to a business competition between KeSPA and GOM and GOM ends up losing it, they have no one but themselves to blame - even though I don't believe that's what is happening.
BW over 10 years history while being on TV and SC2 2 years and only being streamed. KeSPA runs a monopoly while GOM doesn't so there's really no competition, in that you are right. KeSPA didn't "run a monopoly" - they built EVERYTHING from grounds up and did something no one else managed to do, before them nor after them. Considering the success of KeSPA, you'd think someone would go and replicate their success with SC2 - but nobody even really tried, either for the lack of effort, or the lack of interest in it. Regardless of the reasons, KeSPA are the ones with the experience and savvy to make something like that happen. Why is it a bad thing? They did run a monopoly in BW, did they not? They had complete control of the factors needed to make BW tournaments work. Namely the players, and eliminated all the competition by making access to them impossible. It seems they are trying to do the same again, and I think that would be a very bad thing. They had monopoly in BW cause the rest sucks. compared 2 them. Then why not allow the players to participate in more tournaments? Bad business sense? Growing the whole scene is apparently a bad idea. They seem to want to own the small chunk there currently is instead of building a much bigger chunk. I don't think it is bad business sense. I think Kespa recognises it is in a unique position of power. They own the famous players that can make SC2 a success in Korea, and they have the contacts and infrastructure for television. GOM would die because the best non-Kespa players will want to join them for fame and wealth. If they are able to make this plan work, they will once again have a monopoly over esports in Korea. KeSPA in SC2 can be a great thing, but if they decide what the big name players can and can't do, that will be bad news for almost everyone. The key words there make your post a bit odd. "The international scene would decline." The international scene is bigger than the Korean scene and will be INSTRUMENTAL if SC2 is to continue moving forward, making more money etc etc. If Kespa doesnt care about the international scene just as much as the Korean one then they are fools. lol, you do know who the main sponsors of Kespa's teams are, right? I am sure the korean scene for them is a LOT more important than the foreign scene. Would they like to grow in the foreign scene as well? Sure. But Korean scene will always come first. Look at something like Premier League in soccer in England. They have a big international audience and their teams travel all over the world in the OFF SEASON. Do you think they would travel during the season to other countries to play exhibitions? No. I think we need to take a step back and not just look at it through the eyes of a foreign fan.
You need to widen your thinking. If Kespa teams get international exposure they can get international sponsors which means more money for them. Bad idea right?
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On August 23 2012 21:45 mrtomjones wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 21:41 Goldfish wrote:On August 23 2012 20:32 Dodgin wrote:On August 23 2012 20:29 TrainSamurai wrote:On August 23 2012 20:28 mrtomjones wrote:On August 23 2012 20:25 TrainSamurai wrote:This is just ANOTHER CASE OF GOM wanting to make money off KeSPA player's image without paying jackshit in comparison. On August 23 2012 20:25 Dodgin wrote:On August 23 2012 20:23 TrainSamurai wrote:On August 23 2012 20:22 Dodgin wrote:On August 23 2012 20:21 TrainSamurai wrote:
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Don't give me that weak sauce argument. Morally speaking PAY the PLAYERS some SALARY. Er, they get paid for participating in GSL. Does that not count? Every single player in each GSL season gets paid. Every KeSPA player gets housing and food supplied. They don't always make it into the OSL but KeSPA still gives some pittance. GOM must pay ALL of them SOMETHING. GOM is just a tournament organizer though, it's not up to them to give players salary. That's what the teams are for. If you're talking about an appearance fee to play in GSL then that's a lot different than salary. Maybe Flash does deserve an appearance fee but as far as I know WCG never paid him to be in WCG and he did that willingly. BINGO. They all deserve a fee for even playing. We revolted under KeSPA to get those fees. Dude you are a terrible troll. Give it up. Gom doesnt own the players. The teams have the rights to them. Their salaries, food etc come from them. You don't have good first arguments let alone counter arguments. Then don't sulk when PROFESSIONAL players don't play in your tournament. I'm sure GOM is not happy but It's not like the kespa players get anything out of not competing, they are losing out on potential prize money ( and the money for winning GSL is nothing to laugh at, i think it's the same as OSL ) I don't get all the aggression against GOM. I started watching BW by watching Flash play against Boxer in proleague (before then, I just watched some replays in SC) and was a flash fan ever since (even though he lost). I was also one of those who leaned on the side that BW players would start owning it up if they switched to SC2, but despite that - I won't bother with OSL if KeSPA pulls all this stuff. Yeah, it's neat to see how BW players are doing (and comparing them to GSL players) but their fan power (currently) comes from BW and not SC2. Actually to be honest, I'm sort of drained and getting tired of watching SC2. The KeSPA vs GOM player (supposedly friendly) rivalry sparked my interest again but if that ends up not happening, that's a disappointment. eSports for me (well more specifically SC eSports) was "positive" entertainment I guess. It was nice seeing all the storylines which were done with little negativity. If KeSPA keeping its players exclusive to its own league (especially after GOM, KeSPA, Blizzard all agreed to work together), then I probably won't really enjoy watching it and will probably not bother watching it all together. I'm sure some others may feel the same way too (in fact, several already said in this thread that they won't bother with OSL if KeSPA keeps this up). I said it before but if KeSPA let some of their players (even B-teamers) try out for the GSL, then it's a win-win. It's free advertisement for OSL (for foreign viewers especially). It keeps eSports refreshing "and" positive. Reddit starcraft seems to be warming up their pitchforks I quite like that community lately
Tridents, man, tridents
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On August 23 2012 21:45 Condor Hero wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 21:44 fortheGG wrote:
pretty sure this is to do with Kespa thinking their players aren't ready yup, gotta love the ppl who've only HEARD what kespa does immediately think the worst
I don't know about others, but I've been following the scene since the reign of the frenchman in BW.
I SUFFERED through all the bullshits the Kespa has thrown on fans like me.
The Kespa that did all the good work for building the scene was loooooong past gone when the big corporations started to get involved and form Kespa 2.0.
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I just don't get the KESPA hate in this thread. They pay the salaries of these progamers. What do they gain/lose by having them play through Code B/A? It's hard enough doing a partial switch and having to play two leagues, one of which against people who've been playing since release. Three leagues this early? It's just going to hurt the quality of play and reputation of the KESPA players. Besides that, proleague is in a very precarious situation, if it wants to continue with sponsorship and viewers when it goes full SC2 then they need their players to have the best preparation and rest possible.
I'm sure they'll start playing GSL in a few seasons but atm it makes no sense from KESPA's (aka the seven teams') perspective.
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Why do people act like GOM and Kespa haven't worked together before? http://www.gomtv.net/classics3/
Regardless, I'm sure Kespa wants their players to focus on Proleague and OSL. Think of the shame if a GOM player wins OSL. That and I doubt they think they have 32 people good enough to control Code S at the moment. Give them 1 more season.
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On August 23 2012 21:51 mrtomjones wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 21:49 vthree wrote:On August 23 2012 21:36 mrtomjones wrote:On August 23 2012 21:30 Crushinator wrote:On August 23 2012 21:19 mrtomjones wrote:On August 23 2012 21:17 Crushinator wrote:On August 23 2012 21:16 rasers wrote:On August 23 2012 21:13 Crushinator wrote:On August 23 2012 21:09 Salazarz wrote:On August 23 2012 21:07 Daray wrote:
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BW over 10 years history while being on TV and SC2 2 years and only being streamed.
KeSPA runs a monopoly while GOM doesn't so there's really no competition, in that you are right.
KeSPA didn't "run a monopoly" - they built EVERYTHING from grounds up and did something no one else managed to do, before them nor after them. Considering the success of KeSPA, you'd think someone would go and replicate their success with SC2 - but nobody even really tried, either for the lack of effort, or the lack of interest in it. Regardless of the reasons, KeSPA are the ones with the experience and savvy to make something like that happen. Why is it a bad thing? They did run a monopoly in BW, did they not? They had complete control of the factors needed to make BW tournaments work. Namely the players, and eliminated all the competition by making access to them impossible. It seems they are trying to do the same again, and I think that would be a very bad thing. They had monopoly in BW cause the rest sucks. compared 2 them. Then why not allow the players to participate in more tournaments? Bad business sense? Growing the whole scene is apparently a bad idea. They seem to want to own the small chunk there currently is instead of building a much bigger chunk. I don't think it is bad business sense. I think Kespa recognises it is in a unique position of power. They own the famous players that can make SC2 a success in Korea, and they have the contacts and infrastructure for television. GOM would die because the best non-Kespa players will want to join them for fame and wealth. If they are able to make this plan work, they will once again have a monopoly over esports in Korea. KeSPA in SC2 can be a great thing, but if they decide what the big name players can and can't do, that will be bad news for almost everyone. The key words there make your post a bit odd. "The international scene would decline." The international scene is bigger than the Korean scene and will be INSTRUMENTAL if SC2 is to continue moving forward, making more money etc etc. If Kespa doesnt care about the international scene just as much as the Korean one then they are fools. lol, you do know who the main sponsors of Kespa's teams are, right? I am sure the korean scene for them is a LOT more important than the foreign scene. Would they like to grow in the foreign scene as well? Sure. But Korean scene will always come first. Look at something like Premier League in soccer in England. They have a big international audience and their teams travel all over the world in the OFF SEASON. Do you think they would travel during the season to other countries to play exhibitions? No. I think we need to take a step back and not just look at it through the eyes of a foreign fan. You need to widen your thinking. If Kespa teams get international exposure they can get international sponsors which means more money for them. Bad idea right?
Not necessarily. If they think the scene isn't big enough internationally then it would be a better business decision to stay in Korea.
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KeSPA is as KeSPA does. You can't teach an old dog new tricks.
Very disappointed. Hope Blizzard/GOM and/or the teams/players will appeal this decision.
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On August 23 2012 21:45 Condor Hero wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 21:44 fortheGG wrote:
pretty sure this is to do with Kespa thinking their players aren't ready yup, gotta love the ppl who've only HEARD what kespa does immediately think the worst
Why would they hold a dual tournament with THE BEST Gom players if they don't think their players are ready for Code A...
Kespa is really just being a dick.
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