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France9034 Posts
On August 23 2012 21:23 Pr0wler wrote:
So no KeSPA players in MLG, no KeSPA players in GSL... I guess nothing changed at all.
Also it looks like KeSPA sees GOM as opponent and not a partner. That is really sad thing. As Mvp said instead of building the korean scene, they will fight between each other.
Exaclty what I thought.
"Mvp called exaclty for this not to happen..."
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On August 23 2012 21:15 howLiN wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 20:58 TrainSamurai wrote:On August 23 2012 20:58 DarkLordOlli wrote:On August 23 2012 20:55 TrainSamurai wrote:On August 23 2012 20:54 DarkLordOlli wrote:On August 23 2012 20:53 TrainSamurai wrote:On August 23 2012 20:52 mrtomjones wrote:On August 23 2012 20:51 TrainSamurai wrote:On August 23 2012 20:39 Roggay wrote:On August 23 2012 20:36 TrainSamurai wrote:
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Western scene is different. KeSPA have thier own tournament to prioritise.
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How does that detract from the main point. Either give PAID KeSPA player an appearance fee or stop sulking. No because this is stupid. Why would they pay an appearance fee when they are already paying the players for being in code A/S... Beside, the fact that they are paying the players or not has absolutely nothing to do with this topic as this has nothing to do with KeSPA. It's up to the players to decide if its worth it or not. FYI KeSPA players get appearance fees. We fought hard for it under boxer. You can't just expect not to pay what KeSPA does and make money off it and rofl @ the PMs keep them coming fanboys. I'm sure you did a ton of "fighting" internet hero! Read Boxer's history. He fought for everyone... thats why he is an icon. Oh so Boxer did... and not you. You might wanna be careful about using "we". You might wanna read what he fought for because it includes paying players for even showing thier faces on tv. What a nice way of dodging anything I said. This ends it for me. Start making sense, bring an intelligent argument and maybe don't say "we fought hard" when really you didn't have anything to do with it. KeSPA is hurting eSports. First time I said it, but it's true. Figure of speech idiot. We as in the BW pro scene. You're not part of the BW pro scene, no matter how much you watched competitive BW. Stop being delusional.
Dude watch out He is GM in LOL...... /trollface
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On August 23 2012 21:19 mrtomjones wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 21:17 Crushinator wrote:On August 23 2012 21:16 rasers wrote:On August 23 2012 21:13 Crushinator wrote:On August 23 2012 21:09 Salazarz wrote:On August 23 2012 21:07 Daray wrote:On August 23 2012 21:01 Salazarz wrote:
It really boggles my mind how everyone keeps attacking KeSPA for being this evil corporation out to make money and destroy the scene with their atrocities. They are literally the most successful e-sports association ever created; they are the ones who made e-sports on TV (even if just in one country), and massive live e-sports events a norm. Starcraft 2 had nearly 3 years without their 'evil' and with plenty of opportunities to draw on their experiences before KeSPA was allowed to step in - and what do you see? There isn't a single team or organization that is anywhere remotely as influential or well-structured as the KeSPA leagues are. IF it comes down to a business competition between KeSPA and GOM and GOM ends up losing it, they have no one but themselves to blame - even though I don't believe that's what is happening.
BW over 10 years history while being on TV and SC2 2 years and only being streamed. KeSPA runs a monopoly while GOM doesn't so there's really no competition, in that you are right. KeSPA didn't "run a monopoly" - they built EVERYTHING from grounds up and did something no one else managed to do, before them nor after them. Considering the success of KeSPA, you'd think someone would go and replicate their success with SC2 - but nobody even really tried, either for the lack of effort, or the lack of interest in it. Regardless of the reasons, KeSPA are the ones with the experience and savvy to make something like that happen. Why is it a bad thing? They did run a monopoly in BW, did they not? They had complete control of the factors needed to make BW tournaments work. Namely the players, and eliminated all the competition by making access to them impossible. It seems they are trying to do the same again, and I think that would be a very bad thing. They had monopoly in BW cause the rest sucks. compared 2 them. Then why not allow the players to participate in more tournaments? Bad business sense? Growing the whole scene is apparently a bad idea. They seem to want to own the small chunk there currently is instead of building a much bigger chunk.
I don't think it is bad business sense. I think Kespa recognises it is in a unique position of power. They own the famous players that can make SC2 a success in Korea, and they have the contacts and infrastructure for television. GOM would die because the best non-Kespa players will want to join them for fame and wealth. If they are able to make this plan work, they will once again have a monopoly over esports in Korea. The international scene would decline.
KeSPA in SC2 can be a great thing, but if they decide what the big name players can and can't do, that will be bad news for almost everyone.
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This is highly concerning. The Korean scene fracturing and/or collapsing would kill off the SC2 scene, have no doubt about it. Whilst we foreigners undoubtedly like to see our "hopes" prospering, I highly doubt that would last long when the only thing they could prosper over would be people half as good as the Korean giants of old used to be.
I'm sure KeSPA must have their own reasons - probably, as others have said, their desire to dominate the scene over GOM - but those reasons will mean little if the scene ends up wrecked as a result.
I'm not sure what exactly they could do, but I hope Blizzard does indeed step in here for the good of the scene. If not, I think the only thing that could be done is for the Federation to remove co-operation in OSL and other KeSPA sponsored tournaments going forward - show KeSPA that they can't have it all their way, and that GSL will be defended aggressively.
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This is really disappointing. KESPA, stop failing us.
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On August 23 2012 21:21 Salazarz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 21:13 Crushinator wrote:On August 23 2012 21:09 Salazarz wrote:On August 23 2012 21:07 Daray wrote:On August 23 2012 21:01 Salazarz wrote:
It really boggles my mind how everyone keeps attacking KeSPA for being this evil corporation out to make money and destroy the scene with their atrocities. They are literally the most successful e-sports association ever created; they are the ones who made e-sports on TV (even if just in one country), and massive live e-sports events a norm. Starcraft 2 had nearly 3 years without their 'evil' and with plenty of opportunities to draw on their experiences before KeSPA was allowed to step in - and what do you see? There isn't a single team or organization that is anywhere remotely as influential or well-structured as the KeSPA leagues are. IF it comes down to a business competition between KeSPA and GOM and GOM ends up losing it, they have no one but themselves to blame - even though I don't believe that's what is happening.
BW over 10 years history while being on TV and SC2 2 years and only being streamed. KeSPA runs a monopoly while GOM doesn't so there's really no competition, in that you are right. KeSPA didn't "run a monopoly" - they built EVERYTHING from grounds up and did something no one else managed to do, before them nor after them. Considering the success of KeSPA, you'd think someone would go and replicate their success with SC2 - but nobody even really tried, either for the lack of effort, or the lack of interest in it. Regardless of the reasons, KeSPA are the ones with the experience and savvy to make something like that happen. Why is it a bad thing? They did run a monopoly in BW, did they not? They had complete control of the factors needed to make BW tournaments work. Namely the players, and eliminated all the competition by making access to them impossible. It seems they are trying to do the same again, and I think that would be a very bad thing. They CREATED this monopoly, by being miles and leagues ahead of any other attempt at running of an e-sports event. They built up all the infrastructure, helped with team organization, kept things like player trades etc civil. They are basically everything any organized sports scene needs, and what SC2 lacks. On a side note, I'm pretty sure the term 'monopoly' isn't even applicable, just like FIFA or UEFA or whatever isn't exactly a monopoly on football.
FIFA or UEFA don't have a monopoly on football because players can go where they like and you very often see people move. Look at how many leagues there are. Premier league, bundesleague, la liga, (even MLS -_-) etc. If the Premier League said its players can't play on their national team, people would probably complain.
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On August 23 2012 21:21 xrapture wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 21:09 Sbrubbles wrote:On August 23 2012 20:50 xrapture wrote:On August 23 2012 20:48 Sbrubbles wrote:On August 23 2012 20:42 imMUTAble787 wrote:
Maybe someone could clue me in, but what exactly have the KeSPA players accomplished in SC2 that warrants any sort of appearance fee ? This. As of now, there's not a single reason kespa or kespa players should receive any more money than regular Code A participants. It would be unfair to non-kespa Code A players if Gom did so. Yea, let's ignore the fact that Gom will get a lot more subscriptions if Kespa players were in the GSL or that their ratings would be higher than any other "Code A participant" could make them. Code A is a tournament. Prizes should be distributed on a scale of tournament placement, not on a scale of popularity. If including Kespa players will add to Gom's viewership, this should reflect in the tournament prizes, not in any direct payment to popular players/team/whatever Kespa is (in other words, more popularity=prizes go up, not more popularity=popularity gets rewarded with direct payment). If Idra (or any popular foreigner) got seeded into Code A, do you think it would be fair for him to receive more money from Gom than the Code S player who placed 4th (for example)? Kespa is exercising control over their players to, I believe, wipe out Gom in the coming months/year. Exercising control over their players is horrible for us viewers because we want to see everyone playing together. We want all Gom players playing in the Kespa tournament and we want all Kespa players playing in the Gom tournament, not this manipulative bullshit. Will you stop saying "we"?
I assumed everyone on TL wanted to see the maximum player quality possible in a tournament. Your exception is duly noted.
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On August 23 2012 21:32 Sbrubbles wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 21:21 xrapture wrote:On August 23 2012 21:09 Sbrubbles wrote:On August 23 2012 20:50 xrapture wrote:On August 23 2012 20:48 Sbrubbles wrote:On August 23 2012 20:42 imMUTAble787 wrote:
Maybe someone could clue me in, but what exactly have the KeSPA players accomplished in SC2 that warrants any sort of appearance fee ? This. As of now, there's not a single reason kespa or kespa players should receive any more money than regular Code A participants. It would be unfair to non-kespa Code A players if Gom did so. Yea, let's ignore the fact that Gom will get a lot more subscriptions if Kespa players were in the GSL or that their ratings would be higher than any other "Code A participant" could make them. Code A is a tournament. Prizes should be distributed on a scale of tournament placement, not on a scale of popularity. If including Kespa players will add to Gom's viewership, this should reflect in the tournament prizes, not in any direct payment to popular players/team/whatever Kespa is (in other words, more popularity=prizes go up, not more popularity=popularity gets rewarded with direct payment). If Idra (or any popular foreigner) got seeded into Code A, do you think it would be fair for him to receive more money from Gom than the Code S player who placed 4th (for example)? Kespa is exercising control over their players to, I believe, wipe out Gom in the coming months/year. Exercising control over their players is horrible for us viewers because we want to see everyone playing together. We want all Gom players playing in the Kespa tournament and we want all Kespa players playing in the Gom tournament, not this manipulative bullshit. Will you stop saying "we"? I assumed everyone on TL wanted to see the maximum player quality possible in a tournament. Your exception is duly noted.
That's a very simplistic way of looking at things.
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Why there so much shitstorm. Kespas opinions in the opinions of the teams and they do heavy investments in their player, so they can decide, where their player play.
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Scumbag KeSPA needs the GSL to be a replacement for MSL. I wish that they would for once cooperate instead of try to monopolize everything. This, of course, always hurts the players and fans more than it does KeSPA and GSL.
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On August 23 2012 21:30 Crushinator wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 21:19 mrtomjones wrote:On August 23 2012 21:17 Crushinator wrote:On August 23 2012 21:16 rasers wrote:On August 23 2012 21:13 Crushinator wrote:On August 23 2012 21:09 Salazarz wrote:On August 23 2012 21:07 Daray wrote:On August 23 2012 21:01 Salazarz wrote:
It really boggles my mind how everyone keeps attacking KeSPA for being this evil corporation out to make money and destroy the scene with their atrocities. They are literally the most successful e-sports association ever created; they are the ones who made e-sports on TV (even if just in one country), and massive live e-sports events a norm. Starcraft 2 had nearly 3 years without their 'evil' and with plenty of opportunities to draw on their experiences before KeSPA was allowed to step in - and what do you see? There isn't a single team or organization that is anywhere remotely as influential or well-structured as the KeSPA leagues are. IF it comes down to a business competition between KeSPA and GOM and GOM ends up losing it, they have no one but themselves to blame - even though I don't believe that's what is happening.
BW over 10 years history while being on TV and SC2 2 years and only being streamed. KeSPA runs a monopoly while GOM doesn't so there's really no competition, in that you are right. KeSPA didn't "run a monopoly" - they built EVERYTHING from grounds up and did something no one else managed to do, before them nor after them. Considering the success of KeSPA, you'd think someone would go and replicate their success with SC2 - but nobody even really tried, either for the lack of effort, or the lack of interest in it. Regardless of the reasons, KeSPA are the ones with the experience and savvy to make something like that happen. Why is it a bad thing? They did run a monopoly in BW, did they not? They had complete control of the factors needed to make BW tournaments work. Namely the players, and eliminated all the competition by making access to them impossible. It seems they are trying to do the same again, and I think that would be a very bad thing. They had monopoly in BW cause the rest sucks. compared 2 them. Then why not allow the players to participate in more tournaments? Bad business sense? Growing the whole scene is apparently a bad idea. They seem to want to own the small chunk there currently is instead of building a much bigger chunk. I don't think it is bad business sense. I think Kespa recognises it is in a unique position of power. They own the famous players that can make SC2 a success in Korea, and they have the contacts and infrastructure for television. GOM would die because the best non-Kespa players will want to join them for fame and wealth. If they are able to make this plan work, they will once again have a monopoly over esports in Korea. KeSPA in SC2 can be a great thing, but if they decide what the big name players can and can't do, that will be bad news for almost everyone.
The key words there make your post a bit odd.
"The international scene would decline."
The international scene is bigger than the Korean scene and will be INSTRUMENTAL if SC2 is to continue moving forward, making more money etc etc. If Kespa doesnt care about the international scene just as much as the Korean one then they are fools.
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On August 23 2012 21:32 boxman22 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 21:21 Salazarz wrote:On August 23 2012 21:13 Crushinator wrote:On August 23 2012 21:09 Salazarz wrote:On August 23 2012 21:07 Daray wrote:On August 23 2012 21:01 Salazarz wrote:
It really boggles my mind how everyone keeps attacking KeSPA for being this evil corporation out to make money and destroy the scene with their atrocities. They are literally the most successful e-sports association ever created; they are the ones who made e-sports on TV (even if just in one country), and massive live e-sports events a norm. Starcraft 2 had nearly 3 years without their 'evil' and with plenty of opportunities to draw on their experiences before KeSPA was allowed to step in - and what do you see? There isn't a single team or organization that is anywhere remotely as influential or well-structured as the KeSPA leagues are. IF it comes down to a business competition between KeSPA and GOM and GOM ends up losing it, they have no one but themselves to blame - even though I don't believe that's what is happening.
BW over 10 years history while being on TV and SC2 2 years and only being streamed. KeSPA runs a monopoly while GOM doesn't so there's really no competition, in that you are right. KeSPA didn't "run a monopoly" - they built EVERYTHING from grounds up and did something no one else managed to do, before them nor after them. Considering the success of KeSPA, you'd think someone would go and replicate their success with SC2 - but nobody even really tried, either for the lack of effort, or the lack of interest in it. Regardless of the reasons, KeSPA are the ones with the experience and savvy to make something like that happen. Why is it a bad thing? They did run a monopoly in BW, did they not? They had complete control of the factors needed to make BW tournaments work. Namely the players, and eliminated all the competition by making access to them impossible. It seems they are trying to do the same again, and I think that would be a very bad thing. They CREATED this monopoly, by being miles and leagues ahead of any other attempt at running of an e-sports event. They built up all the infrastructure, helped with team organization, kept things like player trades etc civil. They are basically everything any organized sports scene needs, and what SC2 lacks. On a side note, I'm pretty sure the term 'monopoly' isn't even applicable, just like FIFA or UEFA or whatever isn't exactly a monopoly on football. FIFA or UEFA don't have a monopoly on football because players can go where they like and you very often see people move. Look at how many leagues there are. Premier league, bundesleague, la liga, (even MLS -_-) etc. If the Premier League said its players can't play on their national team, people would probably complain.
All those leagues are part of the same system.
Clubs can forbid their players to play in teams and competitions outside of that system. Several clubs didn't allow their players to go to the Olympics for example, because the Olympic tournament is outside the system and it nearly collided with qualifiers for the European cups (and pre-season training for many clubs).
On August 23 2012 21:36 mrtomjones wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 21:30 Crushinator wrote:On August 23 2012 21:19 mrtomjones wrote:On August 23 2012 21:17 Crushinator wrote:On August 23 2012 21:16 rasers wrote:On August 23 2012 21:13 Crushinator wrote:On August 23 2012 21:09 Salazarz wrote:On August 23 2012 21:07 Daray wrote:On August 23 2012 21:01 Salazarz wrote:
It really boggles my mind how everyone keeps attacking KeSPA for being this evil corporation out to make money and destroy the scene with their atrocities. They are literally the most successful e-sports association ever created; they are the ones who made e-sports on TV (even if just in one country), and massive live e-sports events a norm. Starcraft 2 had nearly 3 years without their 'evil' and with plenty of opportunities to draw on their experiences before KeSPA was allowed to step in - and what do you see? There isn't a single team or organization that is anywhere remotely as influential or well-structured as the KeSPA leagues are. IF it comes down to a business competition between KeSPA and GOM and GOM ends up losing it, they have no one but themselves to blame - even though I don't believe that's what is happening.
BW over 10 years history while being on TV and SC2 2 years and only being streamed. KeSPA runs a monopoly while GOM doesn't so there's really no competition, in that you are right. KeSPA didn't "run a monopoly" - they built EVERYTHING from grounds up and did something no one else managed to do, before them nor after them. Considering the success of KeSPA, you'd think someone would go and replicate their success with SC2 - but nobody even really tried, either for the lack of effort, or the lack of interest in it. Regardless of the reasons, KeSPA are the ones with the experience and savvy to make something like that happen. Why is it a bad thing? They did run a monopoly in BW, did they not? They had complete control of the factors needed to make BW tournaments work. Namely the players, and eliminated all the competition by making access to them impossible. It seems they are trying to do the same again, and I think that would be a very bad thing. They had monopoly in BW cause the rest sucks. compared 2 them. Then why not allow the players to participate in more tournaments? Bad business sense? Growing the whole scene is apparently a bad idea. They seem to want to own the small chunk there currently is instead of building a much bigger chunk. I don't think it is bad business sense. I think Kespa recognises it is in a unique position of power. They own the famous players that can make SC2 a success in Korea, and they have the contacts and infrastructure for television. GOM would die because the best non-Kespa players will want to join them for fame and wealth. If they are able to make this plan work, they will once again have a monopoly over esports in Korea. KeSPA in SC2 can be a great thing, but if they decide what the big name players can and can't do, that will be bad news for almost everyone. The key words there make your post a bit odd. "The international scene would decline." The international scene is bigger than the Korean scene and will be INSTRUMENTAL if SC2 is to continue moving forward, making more money etc etc. If Kespa doesnt care about the international scene just as much as the Korean one then they are fools.
There is barely an international scene at all. It's just a loose collection of sponsors and teams that can fall apart or migrate to a different game at any point in time, without any central authority, association or anything to gel everything together.
Small and stable beats large and volatile. International "scene" hinges entirely on the good will and interest of sponsors that only have a passing interest in the game itself. On the other hand, Kespa ARE the sponsors and they are committed to the games they choose and teams they run.
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On August 23 2012 21:25 seansye wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 21:23 Pr0wler wrote:
So no KeSPA players in MLG, no KeSPA players in GSL... I guess nothing changed at all.
Also it looks like KeSPA sees GOM as opponent and not a partner. That is really sad thing. As Mvp said instead of building the korean scene, they will fight between each other. There are no Kespa players in MLG because MLG and SPL are scheduled to take place at the same time and it is the last week of the season with playoff spots on the line for 6 of the 8 teams.
5 / 8 teams dude, team 8 has his secured
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now i know why MVP said the korean scene need to work together to grow the scene there T_T
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In the past year, many of us have shown what they are capable of, even openly burning people to the ground on reddit and even here. Maybe it is time to invest all that new gained skillset into burning those, who do not seem to want to learn. It's not like in the old BW days, where our community was so small and not worth much money. Now it's different.
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Oh shit Blizzard in the mix.
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On August 23 2012 21:25 seansye wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 21:23 Pr0wler wrote:
So no KeSPA players in MLG, no KeSPA players in GSL... I guess nothing changed at all.
Also it looks like KeSPA sees GOM as opponent and not a partner. That is really sad thing. As Mvp said instead of building the korean scene, they will fight between each other. There are no Kespa players in MLG because MLG and SPL are scheduled to take place at the same time and it is the last week of the season with playoff spots on the line for 6 of the 8 teams.
And they suddenly came to this realization this week?
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On August 23 2012 21:34 Talin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 21:32 Sbrubbles wrote:On August 23 2012 21:21 xrapture wrote:On August 23 2012 21:09 Sbrubbles wrote:On August 23 2012 20:50 xrapture wrote:On August 23 2012 20:48 Sbrubbles wrote:On August 23 2012 20:42 imMUTAble787 wrote:
Maybe someone could clue me in, but what exactly have the KeSPA players accomplished in SC2 that warrants any sort of appearance fee ? This. As of now, there's not a single reason kespa or kespa players should receive any more money than regular Code A participants. It would be unfair to non-kespa Code A players if Gom did so. Yea, let's ignore the fact that Gom will get a lot more subscriptions if Kespa players were in the GSL or that their ratings would be higher than any other "Code A participant" could make them. Code A is a tournament. Prizes should be distributed on a scale of tournament placement, not on a scale of popularity. If including Kespa players will add to Gom's viewership, this should reflect in the tournament prizes, not in any direct payment to popular players/team/whatever Kespa is (in other words, more popularity=prizes go up, not more popularity=popularity gets rewarded with direct payment). If Idra (or any popular foreigner) got seeded into Code A, do you think it would be fair for him to receive more money from Gom than the Code S player who placed 4th (for example)? Kespa is exercising control over their players to, I believe, wipe out Gom in the coming months/year. Exercising control over their players is horrible for us viewers because we want to see everyone playing together. We want all Gom players playing in the Kespa tournament and we want all Kespa players playing in the Gom tournament, not this manipulative bullshit. Will you stop saying "we"? I assumed everyone on TL wanted to see the maximum player quality possible in a tournament. Your exception is duly noted. That's a very simplistic way of looking at things.
If you think it's simplistic, critique it by all means! Isn't that the point of a forum discussion?
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On August 23 2012 20:32 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 20:29 TrainSamurai wrote:On August 23 2012 20:28 mrtomjones wrote:On August 23 2012 20:25 TrainSamurai wrote:This is just ANOTHER CASE OF GOM wanting to make money off KeSPA player's image without paying jackshit in comparison. On August 23 2012 20:25 Dodgin wrote:On August 23 2012 20:23 TrainSamurai wrote:On August 23 2012 20:22 Dodgin wrote:On August 23 2012 20:21 TrainSamurai wrote:On August 23 2012 20:19 [thork] wrote:
do you remember last weeks kespa - gom agreement? i think kespa deceived gom.
kespa not playing fair as always. not caring about the game as always. kespa being kespa as always.
gom should cancel the agreement or file a lawsuit
Don't give me that weak sauce argument. Morally speaking PAY the PLAYERS some SALARY. Er, they get paid for participating in GSL. Does that not count? Every single player in each GSL season gets paid. Every KeSPA player gets housing and food supplied. They don't always make it into the OSL but KeSPA still gives some pittance. GOM must pay ALL of them SOMETHING. GOM is just a tournament organizer though, it's not up to them to give players salary. That's what the teams are for. If you're talking about an appearance fee to play in GSL then that's a lot different than salary. Maybe Flash does deserve an appearance fee but as far as I know WCG never paid him to be in WCG and he did that willingly. BINGO. They all deserve a fee for even playing. We revolted under KeSPA to get those fees. Dude you are a terrible troll. Give it up. Gom doesnt own the players. The teams have the rights to them. Their salaries, food etc come from them. You don't have good first arguments let alone counter arguments. Then don't sulk when PROFESSIONAL players don't play in your tournament. I'm sure GOM is not happy but It's not like the kespa players get anything out of not competing, they are losing out on potential prize money ( and the money for winning GSL is nothing to laugh at, i think it's the same as OSL )
I don't get all the aggression against GOM.
I started watching BW by watching Flash play against Boxer in proleague (before then, I just watched some replays in SC) and was a flash fan ever since (even though he lost).
I was also one of those who leaned on the side that BW players would start owning it up if they switched to SC2, but despite that - I won't bother with OSL if KeSPA pulls all this stuff.
Yeah, it's neat to see how BW players are doing (and comparing them to GSL players) but their fan power (currently) comes from BW and not SC2.
Actually to be honest, I'm sort of drained and getting tired of watching SC2. The KeSPA vs GOM player (supposedly friendly) rivalry sparked my interest again but if that ends up not happening, that's a disappointment.
eSports for me (well more specifically SC eSports) was "positive" entertainment I guess. It was nice seeing all the storylines which were done with little negativity.
If KeSPA keeping its players exclusive to its own league (especially after GOM, KeSPA, Blizzard all agreed to work together), then I probably won't really enjoy watching it and will probably not bother watching it all together.
I'm sure some others may feel the same way too (in fact, several already said in this thread that they won't bother with OSL if KeSPA keeps this up).
I said it before but if KeSPA let some of their players (even B-teamers) try out for the GSL, then it's a win-win. It's free advertisement for OSL (for foreign viewers especially). It keeps eSports refreshing "and" positive.
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On August 23 2012 21:40 Sbrubbles wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 21:34 Talin wrote:On August 23 2012 21:32 Sbrubbles wrote:On August 23 2012 21:21 xrapture wrote:On August 23 2012 21:09 Sbrubbles wrote:On August 23 2012 20:50 xrapture wrote:On August 23 2012 20:48 Sbrubbles wrote:On August 23 2012 20:42 imMUTAble787 wrote:
Maybe someone could clue me in, but what exactly have the KeSPA players accomplished in SC2 that warrants any sort of appearance fee ? This. As of now, there's not a single reason kespa or kespa players should receive any more money than regular Code A participants. It would be unfair to non-kespa Code A players if Gom did so. Yea, let's ignore the fact that Gom will get a lot more subscriptions if Kespa players were in the GSL or that their ratings would be higher than any other "Code A participant" could make them. Code A is a tournament. Prizes should be distributed on a scale of tournament placement, not on a scale of popularity. If including Kespa players will add to Gom's viewership, this should reflect in the tournament prizes, not in any direct payment to popular players/team/whatever Kespa is (in other words, more popularity=prizes go up, not more popularity=popularity gets rewarded with direct payment). If Idra (or any popular foreigner) got seeded into Code A, do you think it would be fair for him to receive more money from Gom than the Code S player who placed 4th (for example)? Kespa is exercising control over their players to, I believe, wipe out Gom in the coming months/year. Exercising control over their players is horrible for us viewers because we want to see everyone playing together. We want all Gom players playing in the Kespa tournament and we want all Kespa players playing in the Gom tournament, not this manipulative bullshit. Will you stop saying "we"? I assumed everyone on TL wanted to see the maximum player quality possible in a tournament. Your exception is duly noted. That's a very simplistic way of looking at things. If you think it's simplistic, critique it by all means! Isn't that the point of a forum discussion?
But then how could he seem haughty and above you?
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