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MiQ
Profile Joined August 2012
Canada312 Posts
August 23 2012 13:04 GMT
#561
Wow that blows... Can't wait for the day teams and gamers are done transitioning so we can finaly enjoy the best of SC2
Tons of damage
EnE
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
417 Posts
August 23 2012 13:05 GMT
#562
Personally, I'm happy we won't see Flash take undignified thrashings to Unknown Code B players because he hasn't had the time he needs to practice...
I'm embarrased by my past actions and even more ashamed of my present thoughts and future endeavors to clear my name.
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
August 23 2012 13:05 GMT
#563
The funny thing is, people keep talking about how the international in SC2 is so great and kespa should all try their best to get exposure. But how many of the top players in the world in SC2 actually get a salary? If being good and exposed to the foreign was all it took? Shouldn't teams like Prime, ST, MVP, etc how HUGE international sponsorship deals which would allow them to pay their players salaries like Kespa? Face it, no matter how good you are as a korean. International sponsors will only give the big money to foreign teams and players. Stephano is a great player and he will get a huge contract. But I can name at least 10 koreans on his level and they don't get anywhere close to that. It is just how it works. So I don't think international sponsors are going to be throwing money get kespa players and teams just because they play in the GSL or MLG.
Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9172 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-23 13:08:25
August 23 2012 13:07 GMT
#564
On August 23 2012 21:59 monkybone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2012 21:57 Condor Hero wrote:
On August 23 2012 21:49 monkybone wrote:
On August 23 2012 16:45 Qwyn wrote:
No it doesn't really, b/c the lack of KeSPA players just leaves the GSL as it has always been, lol. But when they are allowed to play it's going to be fucking awesome.


No, GSL has always been about featuring the best players in the world. Kespa is destroying the integrity of the GSL with this behavior.

Use your brain.
All Kespa has is their players, who have enormous expectations.

Why the fuck would Kespa even risk losing the hype around its players if they thought they needed 1 more week or 1 more year??



Use your brain. How does that contradict what I said?

Who cares if the GSL is about featuring the best players? It's just GOM trying to get the best return on investment for their tournament. KESPA invests a huge amount of money in these players, they don't just have to hand them over to a competitor before they're 100% ready. You could equally say GOM is trying to destroy Proleague's integrity by overworking the BW stars and bashing them in the non-prestigious Code A/B qualifiers.
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Drake
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany6146 Posts
August 23 2012 13:07 GMT
#565
sad roro reality jaedong flash herO Rain ... would EASY make code A
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NHY
Profile Joined October 2010
1013 Posts
August 23 2012 13:08 GMT
#566
On August 23 2012 21:51 TheCzarOfAll wrote:
Why do people act like GOM and Kespa haven't worked together before? http://www.gomtv.net/classics3/

Regardless, I'm sure Kespa wants their players to focus on Proleague and OSL. Think of the shame if a GOM player wins OSL. That and I doubt they think they have 32 people good enough to control Code S at the moment. Give them 1 more season.


GomTV Classic is the most famous example of where GOM and KeSPA didn't work together in the past.
Condor Hero
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2931 Posts
August 23 2012 13:08 GMT
#567
On August 23 2012 22:05 vthree wrote:
The funny thing is, people keep talking about how the international in SC2 is so great and kespa should all try their best to get exposure. But how many of the top players in the world in SC2 actually get a salary? If being good and exposed to the foreign was all it took? Shouldn't teams like Prime, ST, MVP, etc how HUGE international sponsorship deals which would allow them to pay their players salaries like Kespa? Face it, no matter how good you are as a korean. International sponsors will only give the big money to foreign teams and players. Stephano is a great player and he will get a huge contract. But I can name at least 10 koreans on his level and they don't get anywhere close to that. It is just how it works. So I don't think international sponsors are going to be throwing money get kespa players and teams just because they play in the GSL or MLG.

So true, international teams are still trying to get to the point of Kespa-like sponsorship.

It's always been ironic to me that hardware manufactures are the main sponsors to teenage kids or young adults 75% of whom probably can't afford the shit they're selling anyways.

Much better to have companies like Samsung or phone companies.
IMMoonLight
Profile Joined April 2012
Korea (South)332 Posts
August 23 2012 13:09 GMT
#568
Kespa want to crashed The GomTV legaue~~This is not the first time ~~

So not suprising me this time
Sbrubbles
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil5776 Posts
August 23 2012 13:11 GMT
#569
On August 23 2012 21:43 Talin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2012 21:40 Sbrubbles wrote:
On August 23 2012 21:34 Talin wrote:
On August 23 2012 21:32 Sbrubbles wrote:
On August 23 2012 21:21 xrapture wrote:
On August 23 2012 21:09 Sbrubbles wrote:
On August 23 2012 20:50 xrapture wrote:
On August 23 2012 20:48 Sbrubbles wrote:
On August 23 2012 20:42 imMUTAble787 wrote:
Maybe someone could clue me in, but what exactly have the KeSPA players accomplished in SC2 that warrants any sort of appearance fee ?


This. As of now, there's not a single reason kespa or kespa players should receive any more money than regular Code A participants. It would be unfair to non-kespa Code A players if Gom did so.


Yea, let's ignore the fact that Gom will get a lot more subscriptions if Kespa players were in the GSL or that their ratings would be higher than any other "Code A participant" could make them.


Code A is a tournament. Prizes should be distributed on a scale of tournament placement, not on a scale of popularity. If including Kespa players will add to Gom's viewership, this should reflect in the tournament prizes, not in any direct payment to popular players/team/whatever Kespa is (in other words, more popularity=prizes go up, not more popularity=popularity gets rewarded with direct payment). If Idra (or any popular foreigner) got seeded into Code A, do you think it would be fair for him to receive more money from Gom than the Code S player who placed 4th (for example)?

Kespa is exercising control over their players to, I believe, wipe out Gom in the coming months/year. Exercising control over their players is horrible for us viewers because we want to see everyone playing together. We want all Gom players playing in the Kespa tournament and we want all Kespa players playing in the Gom tournament, not this manipulative bullshit.



Will you stop saying "we"?


I assumed everyone on TL wanted to see the maximum player quality possible in a tournament. Your exception is duly noted.


That's a very simplistic way of looking at things.


If you think it's simplistic, critique it by all means! Isn't that the point of a forum discussion?


Well, that sentence was too simplistic (and snide/snappy) - so calling it simplistic was the only criticism I can give. It just doesn't portray the issue accurately at all.

If you're willing to elaborate further on your thoughts behind that sentence, then I could be more elaborate in my criticism of it (or potentially agreement with it) as well!


My "simplistic", off-topic point is to elaborate on why I used the word "we" in my on-topic point (which is further up the quote line). I believe I used "we" correctly, in that the ultimate goal of viewers is to have the best possible viewership experience by having the best players in a tournament. It's a simple argument, yes, but it's part of a bigger post and fits into its context. Now, do you dissagree with my use of "we" or my actual point?
Bora Pain minha porra!
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
August 23 2012 13:11 GMT
#570
On August 23 2012 22:08 Condor Hero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2012 22:05 vthree wrote:
The funny thing is, people keep talking about how the international in SC2 is so great and kespa should all try their best to get exposure. But how many of the top players in the world in SC2 actually get a salary? If being good and exposed to the foreign was all it took? Shouldn't teams like Prime, ST, MVP, etc how HUGE international sponsorship deals which would allow them to pay their players salaries like Kespa? Face it, no matter how good you are as a korean. International sponsors will only give the big money to foreign teams and players. Stephano is a great player and he will get a huge contract. But I can name at least 10 koreans on his level and they don't get anywhere close to that. It is just how it works. So I don't think international sponsors are going to be throwing money get kespa players and teams just because they play in the GSL or MLG.

So true, international teams are still trying to get to the point of Kespa-like sponsorship.

It's always been ironic to me that hardware manufactures are the main sponsors to teenage kids or young adults 75% of whom probably can't afford the shit they're selling anyways.

Much better to have companies like Samsung or phone companies.


And the best sponsorship deal for a korean SC2 team? Yup, LG-IM. Korean sponsor for korean team.
bittman
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia8759 Posts
August 23 2012 13:11 GMT
#571
I think people are blowing this way out of proportion. I mean, I do think it's a bit of an aggressive move, but there's totally a chance it isn't also.

Still, some people seem to be expecting the worst =/
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dontstopmenow
Profile Joined August 2012
China8 Posts
August 23 2012 13:12 GMT
#572
I don't want to see Kespa in the earth... fuck fuck
achan1058
Profile Joined February 2012
1091 Posts
August 23 2012 13:12 GMT
#573
On August 23 2012 22:11 bittman wrote:
I think people are blowing this way out of proportion. I mean, I do think it's a bit of an aggressive move, but there's totally a chance it isn't also.

Still, some people seem to be expecting the worst =/
If there wasn't a "criminal history" on KeSPA's part, I think people wouldn't assume it's the worst.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50237 Posts
August 23 2012 13:15 GMT
#574
On August 23 2012 22:12 achan1058 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2012 22:11 bittman wrote:
I think people are blowing this way out of proportion. I mean, I do think it's a bit of an aggressive move, but there's totally a chance it isn't also.

Still, some people seem to be expecting the worst =/
If there wasn't a "criminal history" on KeSPA's part, I think people wouldn't assume it's the worst.


I'm pretty sure hes saying it considering the "criminal history"
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Account252508
Profile Joined February 2012
3454 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-23 13:15:31
August 23 2012 13:15 GMT
#575
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Rustug
Profile Joined October 2010
1488 Posts
August 23 2012 13:16 GMT
#576
On August 23 2012 21:57 floor exercise wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2012 21:54 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On August 23 2012 21:49 monkybone wrote:
On August 23 2012 16:45 Qwyn wrote:
No it doesn't really, b/c the lack of KeSPA players just leaves the GSL as it has always been, lol. But when they are allowed to play it's going to be fucking awesome.


No, GSL has always been about featuring the best players in the world. Kespa is destroying the integrity of the GSL with this behavior.


true, but really I need to know why KeSPA declined its teams from participating I'm sure its not something unreasonable, They've pulled crazy shit before but this is completely random.


It all comes down to money. Kespa players are hot commodities, they would certainly increase viewership of gom domestically and around the world. That means more money for Gom, and for what, using another organisations players that they have built and supported for a decade.

It's easy for Gom to appeal to the fans and cry victim like this, but we really don't know the arrangement or if Kespa is expected to just hand over their stars, which is their only real valuable asset, for nothing


Domestically yes, internationally it's already doing pretty good.
This is a domestic "turf war", can't tell who's the good guy and who is the bad guy.
But IMO if Blizzard doesn't step in quick, it will be bad for SC in Korea as a whole.
Curious that we spend more time congratulating people who have succeeded than encouraging people who have not. 파이팅! ᕦ(ò_óˇ)ᕤ"
Gosi
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Sweden9072 Posts
August 23 2012 13:17 GMT
#577
Sad how many people there is here and on reddit that trash on OGN/Proleague/OSL/teams and players just because the suits in KeSPA play like they do.

:<
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Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
August 23 2012 13:18 GMT
#578
Guess the kespa players aren't allowed to think or act for themselves lol, they need permission from daddy. Hope blizzard steps in here.
Account252508
Profile Joined February 2012
3454 Posts
August 23 2012 13:18 GMT
#579
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seoul_kiM
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States545 Posts
August 23 2012 13:18 GMT
#580
It's capitalism at work. The more Kespa gives into GOMTV's league the less influence they have. They are weakened by the fact that Kespa's players are in another organization's league playing their players and most likely losing. Many also will be making their GSL debut not under a Kespa organized tournament then which shows that GOMTV's league is that much more dominant in Korea.

Nevertheless, I would love to see Kespa's players in the GSL.
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