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On August 23 2012 22:16 Rustug wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 21:57 floor exercise wrote:On August 23 2012 21:54 BLinD-RawR wrote:On August 23 2012 21:49 monkybone wrote:On August 23 2012 16:45 Qwyn wrote:
No it doesn't really, b/c the lack of KeSPA players just leaves the GSL as it has always been, lol. But when they are allowed to play it's going to be fucking awesome. No, GSL has always been about featuring the best players in the world. Kespa is destroying the integrity of the GSL with this behavior. true, but really I need to know why KeSPA declined its teams from participating I'm sure its not something unreasonable, They've pulled crazy shit before but this is completely random. It all comes down to money. Kespa players are hot commodities, they would certainly increase viewership of gom domestically and around the world. That means more money for Gom, and for what, using another organisations players that they have built and supported for a decade. It's easy for Gom to appeal to the fans and cry victim like this, but we really don't know the arrangement or if Kespa is expected to just hand over their stars, which is their only real valuable asset, for nothing Domestically yes, internationally it's already doing pretty good. This is a domestic "turf war", can't tell who's the good guy and who is the bad guy. But IMO if Blizzard doesn't step in quick, it will be bad for SC in Korea as a whole.
Yes, Blizzard, the company that won't even make LAN mode for tournaments is going to try to step in? I think they would be out of their depths. Yes, they created the game and has the license for it, but they don't know the e-sports scene in Korea.
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On August 23 2012 22:35 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 22:16 Rustug wrote:On August 23 2012 21:57 floor exercise wrote:On August 23 2012 21:54 BLinD-RawR wrote:On August 23 2012 21:49 monkybone wrote:On August 23 2012 16:45 Qwyn wrote:
No it doesn't really, b/c the lack of KeSPA players just leaves the GSL as it has always been, lol. But when they are allowed to play it's going to be fucking awesome. No, GSL has always been about featuring the best players in the world. Kespa is destroying the integrity of the GSL with this behavior. true, but really I need to know why KeSPA declined its teams from participating I'm sure its not something unreasonable, They've pulled crazy shit before but this is completely random. It all comes down to money. Kespa players are hot commodities, they would certainly increase viewership of gom domestically and around the world. That means more money for Gom, and for what, using another organisations players that they have built and supported for a decade. It's easy for Gom to appeal to the fans and cry victim like this, but we really don't know the arrangement or if Kespa is expected to just hand over their stars, which is their only real valuable asset, for nothing Domestically yes, internationally it's already doing pretty good. This is a domestic "turf war", can't tell who's the good guy and who is the bad guy. But IMO if Blizzard doesn't step in quick, it will be bad for SC in Korea as a whole. Yes, Blizzard, the company that won't even make LAN mode for tournaments is going to try to step in? I think they would be out of their depths. Yes, they created the game and has the license for it, but they don't know the e-sports scene in Korea. Actually, the lack of LAN is why they could step in. Imagine OSL finals, Flash vs MVP say. After the 1st game, Flash's account was suddenly banned.
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http://esports.gamechosun.co.kr/
현재 협회에서 준비중인 거대 프로젝트로 인해 쉽사리 선수들의 출전을 결정지을 수 없었다는 것이다.
협회 조만수 팀장은 "전략 위원회에서도 여러 의견들이 나왔다. GSL에 출전하자는 의견도 있었지만 선수들을 출전시킨 뒤 나중에 해당 선수들을 빼는 것은 더 큰 일이기 때문에 어쩔 수 없는 선택"이라고 밝혔다
KeSPA planning a "Giant Project"
They don't want to forfeit players due to this "Giant Project"
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On August 23 2012 22:34 MVTaylor wrote:
Pathetic, I'm not paying OSL or any league related to KESPA a penny until they change their stance. Quite frankly I wouldn't mind if Blizzard black listed the OSL tournament and every KESPA pro gaming house until they change their mind. Finally something useful about bnet 0.2
Pathetic, you don't even know that OSL and everything KeSPA related has always been free, including their live events and even merch give-aways during finals etc, and yet you feel you know enough about the situation to spout crap like this.
edit: It's so annoying reading comments by these know-it-alls who don't know anything about the ridiculous demands Blizzard had for KeSPA (lol their broadcasting fees), or the awful organisation at WCGs, or the dumb deal with GOM at the launch of SC2, but somehow are super familiar with the evil that is KeSPA, their atrocious crimes, and how KeSPA really SHOULD act. The amount of pure bandwagon hate just for the sake of hating because someone else said, 'hey lets hate on x' is really retarded. It's the number one reason I don't read forums like reddit, but it seems like TL isn't exactly much better these days...
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On August 23 2012 22:36 Salazarz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 22:34 MVTaylor wrote:
Pathetic, I'm not paying OSL or any league related to KESPA a penny until they change their stance. Quite frankly I wouldn't mind if Blizzard black listed the OSL tournament and every KESPA pro gaming house until they change their mind. Finally something useful about bnet 0.2 Pathetic, you don't even know that OSL and everything KeSPA related has always been free, including their live events and even merch give-aways during finals etc, and yet you feel you know enough about the situation to spout crap like this.
The fact that he is okay with the players getting punished because of the suits in KeSPA makes him an idiot.
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On August 23 2012 22:36 achan1058 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 22:35 vthree wrote:On August 23 2012 22:16 Rustug wrote:On August 23 2012 21:57 floor exercise wrote:On August 23 2012 21:54 BLinD-RawR wrote:On August 23 2012 21:49 monkybone wrote:On August 23 2012 16:45 Qwyn wrote:
No it doesn't really, b/c the lack of KeSPA players just leaves the GSL as it has always been, lol. But when they are allowed to play it's going to be fucking awesome. No, GSL has always been about featuring the best players in the world. Kespa is destroying the integrity of the GSL with this behavior. true, but really I need to know why KeSPA declined its teams from participating I'm sure its not something unreasonable, They've pulled crazy shit before but this is completely random. It all comes down to money. Kespa players are hot commodities, they would certainly increase viewership of gom domestically and around the world. That means more money for Gom, and for what, using another organisations players that they have built and supported for a decade. It's easy for Gom to appeal to the fans and cry victim like this, but we really don't know the arrangement or if Kespa is expected to just hand over their stars, which is their only real valuable asset, for nothing Domestically yes, internationally it's already doing pretty good. This is a domestic "turf war", can't tell who's the good guy and who is the bad guy. But IMO if Blizzard doesn't step in quick, it will be bad for SC in Korea as a whole. Yes, Blizzard, the company that won't even make LAN mode for tournaments is going to try to step in? I think they would be out of their depths. Yes, they created the game and has the license for it, but they don't know the e-sports scene in Korea. Actually, the lack of LAN is why they could step in. Imagine OSL finals, Flash vs MVP say. After the 1st game, Flash's account was suddenly banned.
Really? You think Blizzard would risk the entire Korean market by pulling a stunt like that? Look, some of us hardcore SC2 fans might get upset because Kespa players won't be playing in GSL this season. But let's face it, we are a small minority. Blizzard would be stupid to try to step in like this.
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On August 23 2012 22:40 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 22:36 achan1058 wrote:On August 23 2012 22:35 vthree wrote:On August 23 2012 22:16 Rustug wrote:On August 23 2012 21:57 floor exercise wrote:On August 23 2012 21:54 BLinD-RawR wrote:On August 23 2012 21:49 monkybone wrote:On August 23 2012 16:45 Qwyn wrote:
No it doesn't really, b/c the lack of KeSPA players just leaves the GSL as it has always been, lol. But when they are allowed to play it's going to be fucking awesome. No, GSL has always been about featuring the best players in the world. Kespa is destroying the integrity of the GSL with this behavior. true, but really I need to know why KeSPA declined its teams from participating I'm sure its not something unreasonable, They've pulled crazy shit before but this is completely random. It all comes down to money. Kespa players are hot commodities, they would certainly increase viewership of gom domestically and around the world. That means more money for Gom, and for what, using another organisations players that they have built and supported for a decade. It's easy for Gom to appeal to the fans and cry victim like this, but we really don't know the arrangement or if Kespa is expected to just hand over their stars, which is their only real valuable asset, for nothing Domestically yes, internationally it's already doing pretty good. This is a domestic "turf war", can't tell who's the good guy and who is the bad guy. But IMO if Blizzard doesn't step in quick, it will be bad for SC in Korea as a whole. Yes, Blizzard, the company that won't even make LAN mode for tournaments is going to try to step in? I think they would be out of their depths. Yes, they created the game and has the license for it, but they don't know the e-sports scene in Korea. Actually, the lack of LAN is why they could step in. Imagine OSL finals, Flash vs MVP say. After the 1st game, Flash's account was suddenly banned. Really? You think Blizzard would risk the entire Korean market by pulling a stunt like that? Look, some of us hardcore SC2 fans might get upset because Kespa players won't be playing in GSL this season. But let's face it, we are a small minority. Blizzard would be stupid to try to step in like this. I would think they would want to step in, though not in the manner I described. That was meant to be a joke. They don't want KeSPA to get too much power, since it takes away power from them.
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On August 23 2012 22:15 monkybone wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 22:01 Condor Hero wrote:On August 23 2012 21:59 monkybone wrote:On August 23 2012 21:57 Condor Hero wrote:On August 23 2012 21:49 monkybone wrote:On August 23 2012 16:45 Qwyn wrote:
No it doesn't really, b/c the lack of KeSPA players just leaves the GSL as it has always been, lol. But when they are allowed to play it's going to be fucking awesome. No, GSL has always been about featuring the best players in the world. Kespa is destroying the integrity of the GSL with this behavior. Use your brain. All Kespa has is their players, who have enormous expectations. Why the fuck would Kespa even risk losing the hype around its players if they thought they needed 1 more week or 1 more year?? Use your brain. How does that contradict what I said? You're saying Kespa not allowing it's players fucks up the GSL because some of the best players won't participate. I'm saying Kespa players aren't ready, despite kicking ass at WCS I'm sure everyone will agree the GSL players played like shit. That makes no sense at all. If they can beat them at WCS they can beat them in code A.
Just glancing through day 1 of the open bracket, looking at some famous kespa player results:
Wooki 0-2 고재흠
Hoejja 1-2 Harrier
Flying 0-2 Brown
Flash 2-0 Brown, Flash 1-2 Sniper
Crazy-hydra 1-2 inori
Bisu 0-2 Moon
Fantasy 0-2 Pet
Only 1 kespa player, Flash, was able to beat a top Code B/Code A player. It's not as though Kespa players winning against GSL players is a common thing
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On August 23 2012 22:41 achan1058 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 22:40 vthree wrote:On August 23 2012 22:36 achan1058 wrote:On August 23 2012 22:35 vthree wrote:On August 23 2012 22:16 Rustug wrote:On August 23 2012 21:57 floor exercise wrote:On August 23 2012 21:54 BLinD-RawR wrote:On August 23 2012 21:49 monkybone wrote:On August 23 2012 16:45 Qwyn wrote:
No it doesn't really, b/c the lack of KeSPA players just leaves the GSL as it has always been, lol. But when they are allowed to play it's going to be fucking awesome. No, GSL has always been about featuring the best players in the world. Kespa is destroying the integrity of the GSL with this behavior. true, but really I need to know why KeSPA declined its teams from participating I'm sure its not something unreasonable, They've pulled crazy shit before but this is completely random. It all comes down to money. Kespa players are hot commodities, they would certainly increase viewership of gom domestically and around the world. That means more money for Gom, and for what, using another organisations players that they have built and supported for a decade. It's easy for Gom to appeal to the fans and cry victim like this, but we really don't know the arrangement or if Kespa is expected to just hand over their stars, which is their only real valuable asset, for nothing Domestically yes, internationally it's already doing pretty good. This is a domestic "turf war", can't tell who's the good guy and who is the bad guy. But IMO if Blizzard doesn't step in quick, it will be bad for SC in Korea as a whole. Yes, Blizzard, the company that won't even make LAN mode for tournaments is going to try to step in? I think they would be out of their depths. Yes, they created the game and has the license for it, but they don't know the e-sports scene in Korea. Actually, the lack of LAN is why they could step in. Imagine OSL finals, Flash vs MVP say. After the 1st game, Flash's account was suddenly banned. Really? You think Blizzard would risk the entire Korean market by pulling a stunt like that? Look, some of us hardcore SC2 fans might get upset because Kespa players won't be playing in GSL this season. But let's face it, we are a small minority. Blizzard would be stupid to try to step in like this. I would think they would want to step in, though not in the manner I described. They don't want KeSPA to get too much power, since it takes away power from them.
Yeah, because we've all seen how good and active Blizzard is with developing the e-sports scene or hosting their own tournaments, right?
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Well, if Kespa is really doing this again, I can only say that they are playing ridiculously risky and dirty.
The game that they're playing with is so much more fragile and not well stabilished as BW at GomTV Classic time. And, also, with their past, people are looking at this with so much skepticism. They really should be aware of all bad feedback and reaction from international scene and even Korean scene. Now, we have another internet. it is so much bigger and powerful than before. Do not understimate virtual witchhunts, they do not kill people yet, but they can, still, destroy some people's life.
They have an agreement with Blizzard. So the best way to aproach this issue is with Blizz help. It's probably the only institution that can face Kespa, because, in the end, they own the game this time. Kespa cannot bypass Blizz control this time (because we don't have LAN LOL).
I can only hope that we can pass through this crisis without to many bruises to SC2 scene.
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On August 23 2012 22:42 boxman22 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 22:15 monkybone wrote:On August 23 2012 22:01 Condor Hero wrote:On August 23 2012 21:59 monkybone wrote:On August 23 2012 21:57 Condor Hero wrote:On August 23 2012 21:49 monkybone wrote:On August 23 2012 16:45 Qwyn wrote:
No it doesn't really, b/c the lack of KeSPA players just leaves the GSL as it has always been, lol. But when they are allowed to play it's going to be fucking awesome. No, GSL has always been about featuring the best players in the world. Kespa is destroying the integrity of the GSL with this behavior. Use your brain. All Kespa has is their players, who have enormous expectations. Why the fuck would Kespa even risk losing the hype around its players if they thought they needed 1 more week or 1 more year?? Use your brain. How does that contradict what I said? You're saying Kespa not allowing it's players fucks up the GSL because some of the best players won't participate. I'm saying Kespa players aren't ready, despite kicking ass at WCS I'm sure everyone will agree the GSL players played like shit. That makes no sense at all. If they can beat them at WCS they can beat them in code A. Just glancing through day 1 of the open bracket, looking at some famous kespa player results: Wooki 0-2 고재흠 Hoejja 1-2 Harrier Flying 0-2 Brown Flash 2-0 Brown, Flash 1-2 Sniper Crazy-hydra 1-2 inori Bisu 0-2 Moon Fantasy 0-2 Pet Only 1 kespa player, Flash, was able to beat a top Code B/Code A player. It's not as though Kespa players winning against GSL players is a common thing
Yes, I think because the Kespa players in WCS has been doing well so we assuming the rest of the Kespa players are as well. I think what we saw in WCS are the players that have adapted the quickest. Some others are still catching up.
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This is a very dangerous situation for Gom, clearly showing the "advantages" monopolies has in negotiations. I'm glad Blizzard's decided to take action.
If Kespa gets their way I will boycott MLG/OSL/Proleague, just the thought makes me sad T_T
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On August 23 2012 22:41 achan1058 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 22:40 vthree wrote:On August 23 2012 22:36 achan1058 wrote:On August 23 2012 22:35 vthree wrote:On August 23 2012 22:16 Rustug wrote:On August 23 2012 21:57 floor exercise wrote:On August 23 2012 21:54 BLinD-RawR wrote:On August 23 2012 21:49 monkybone wrote:On August 23 2012 16:45 Qwyn wrote:
No it doesn't really, b/c the lack of KeSPA players just leaves the GSL as it has always been, lol. But when they are allowed to play it's going to be fucking awesome. No, GSL has always been about featuring the best players in the world. Kespa is destroying the integrity of the GSL with this behavior. true, but really I need to know why KeSPA declined its teams from participating I'm sure its not something unreasonable, They've pulled crazy shit before but this is completely random. It all comes down to money. Kespa players are hot commodities, they would certainly increase viewership of gom domestically and around the world. That means more money for Gom, and for what, using another organisations players that they have built and supported for a decade. It's easy for Gom to appeal to the fans and cry victim like this, but we really don't know the arrangement or if Kespa is expected to just hand over their stars, which is their only real valuable asset, for nothing Domestically yes, internationally it's already doing pretty good. This is a domestic "turf war", can't tell who's the good guy and who is the bad guy. But IMO if Blizzard doesn't step in quick, it will be bad for SC in Korea as a whole. Yes, Blizzard, the company that won't even make LAN mode for tournaments is going to try to step in? I think they would be out of their depths. Yes, they created the game and has the license for it, but they don't know the e-sports scene in Korea. Actually, the lack of LAN is why they could step in. Imagine OSL finals, Flash vs MVP say. After the 1st game, Flash's account was suddenly banned. Really? You think Blizzard would risk the entire Korean market by pulling a stunt like that? Look, some of us hardcore SC2 fans might get upset because Kespa players won't be playing in GSL this season. But let's face it, we are a small minority. Blizzard would be stupid to try to step in like this. I would think they would want to step in, though not in the manner I described. They don't want KeSPA to get too much power, since it takes away power from them.
They don't have many options anyway. The two things they can do is come up with some slap-on-the-wrist PR statement or deny Kespa the right to run SC2 tournaments. Nobody would care about the former, and they would be digging their own grave as far as Korean market is concerned with the latter.
It's mind boggling that GOM (and possibly Blizzard) basically want to pressure the teams to have players compete in their tournaments. Well it's not mind boggling, it's understandable from a business / power play perspective, but that is much more of a dick move than Kespa teams simply deciding that they can't fit another individual league into their schedule at this point in time.
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Translation from http://s.163.com/12/0823/20/89KD48V600314D0E.html
Kespa announced on the 23rd that they would not be taking part in GSL 2012 Season 4, but Kespa players and teams have expressed that they want to take part.
Ever since Kespa started going into Starcraft 2, their players have had pretty good performances, especially in WCS. This had led the Kespa coaches and players to say that "WCS Korean Qualifiers is a big turning point."
The performances of the Kespa players have been amazing in WCS Korea. There have been 64 games played between Kespa players and GSL players (as of 22nd), and out of the 64 games, the Kespa players have 36 wins and 28 losses, with a winning percentage of 56.25%, leading the GSL players.
"Being able to play against them in the tournament helped us to accelerate the pace at which we are catching up with them. It also gave us confidence. Winning in the tournament gives us confidence, and even if we lost, it gave us more experience, and that is helpful for us to catch up with them." Many players have expressed this, "Hoping to be able to play in the Code A tournament soon. We should be able to go ahead and play against the GSL players unconditionally, so we can gain more experience."
The coaching team shares the same thoughts. One of the coaches of a certain team which produced outstanding performances in WCS said, "Even though the performance at the lans isn't that good, but from the performance of the seeded players, the catching up of Kespa players is much faster than expected. If we are able to take part in the games in September, I think there should be at least 1-2 players from each team who can make Code A."
GSL related personnel felt the same way too. A certain commentator from GSL predicted, "In the WCS Korean Qualifiers, there should be at least 2 of them who will go on to be the representatives for Korea." But the fact is, out of the 10 representative spots, 3 of them have been taken by Kespa players.
This commentator noted, "The Kespa players won't be inferior if they were to go on GSL immediately. There is also a good chance there'd be some who'd make it to Code S. They have the basics of what it takes to be a pro-gamer. The only thing they lack is the in-game experience against other players."
Nonetheless, the hopes of the Kespa players and teams have been dissipated by the association's obstruction.
Addendum: There have been sources claiming that Gomtv had proposed really good deals for the Kespa players: 2 seeds straight to Code S, 2 seeds to Up and Downs, and 4 seeds to Code A.
*End of translation*
Edit: Either way, we'll see what happens tomorrow when Blizzard releases their statement 
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On August 23 2012 22:47 Talin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 22:41 achan1058 wrote:On August 23 2012 22:40 vthree wrote:On August 23 2012 22:36 achan1058 wrote:On August 23 2012 22:35 vthree wrote:On August 23 2012 22:16 Rustug wrote:On August 23 2012 21:57 floor exercise wrote:On August 23 2012 21:54 BLinD-RawR wrote:On August 23 2012 21:49 monkybone wrote:On August 23 2012 16:45 Qwyn wrote:
No it doesn't really, b/c the lack of KeSPA players just leaves the GSL as it has always been, lol. But when they are allowed to play it's going to be fucking awesome. No, GSL has always been about featuring the best players in the world. Kespa is destroying the integrity of the GSL with this behavior. true, but really I need to know why KeSPA declined its teams from participating I'm sure its not something unreasonable, They've pulled crazy shit before but this is completely random. It all comes down to money. Kespa players are hot commodities, they would certainly increase viewership of gom domestically and around the world. That means more money for Gom, and for what, using another organisations players that they have built and supported for a decade. It's easy for Gom to appeal to the fans and cry victim like this, but we really don't know the arrangement or if Kespa is expected to just hand over their stars, which is their only real valuable asset, for nothing Domestically yes, internationally it's already doing pretty good. This is a domestic "turf war", can't tell who's the good guy and who is the bad guy. But IMO if Blizzard doesn't step in quick, it will be bad for SC in Korea as a whole. Yes, Blizzard, the company that won't even make LAN mode for tournaments is going to try to step in? I think they would be out of their depths. Yes, they created the game and has the license for it, but they don't know the e-sports scene in Korea. Actually, the lack of LAN is why they could step in. Imagine OSL finals, Flash vs MVP say. After the 1st game, Flash's account was suddenly banned. Really? You think Blizzard would risk the entire Korean market by pulling a stunt like that? Look, some of us hardcore SC2 fans might get upset because Kespa players won't be playing in GSL this season. But let's face it, we are a small minority. Blizzard would be stupid to try to step in like this. I would think they would want to step in, though not in the manner I described. They don't want KeSPA to get too much power, since it takes away power from them. They don't have many options anyway. The two things they can do is come up with some slap-on-the-wrist PR statement or deny Kespa the right to run SC2 tournaments. Nobody would care about the former, and they would be digging their own grave as far as Korean market is concerned with the latter. It's mind boggling that GOM (and possibly Blizzard) basically want to pressure the teams to have players compete in their tournaments. Well it's not mind boggling, it's understandable from a business / power play perspective, but that is much more of a dick move than Kespa teams simply deciding that they can't fit another individual league into their schedule at this point in time. Then don't let GSL players participate in OSL. If it goes both ways, I am perfectly happy.
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On August 23 2012 22:45 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 22:42 boxman22 wrote:On August 23 2012 22:15 monkybone wrote:On August 23 2012 22:01 Condor Hero wrote:On August 23 2012 21:59 monkybone wrote:On August 23 2012 21:57 Condor Hero wrote:On August 23 2012 21:49 monkybone wrote:On August 23 2012 16:45 Qwyn wrote:
No it doesn't really, b/c the lack of KeSPA players just leaves the GSL as it has always been, lol. But when they are allowed to play it's going to be fucking awesome. No, GSL has always been about featuring the best players in the world. Kespa is destroying the integrity of the GSL with this behavior. Use your brain. All Kespa has is their players, who have enormous expectations. Why the fuck would Kespa even risk losing the hype around its players if they thought they needed 1 more week or 1 more year?? Use your brain. How does that contradict what I said? You're saying Kespa not allowing it's players fucks up the GSL because some of the best players won't participate. I'm saying Kespa players aren't ready, despite kicking ass at WCS I'm sure everyone will agree the GSL players played like shit. That makes no sense at all. If they can beat them at WCS they can beat them in code A. Just glancing through day 1 of the open bracket, looking at some famous kespa player results: Wooki 0-2 고재흠 Hoejja 1-2 Harrier Flying 0-2 Brown Flash 2-0 Brown, Flash 1-2 Sniper Crazy-hydra 1-2 inori Bisu 0-2 Moon Fantasy 0-2 Pet Only 1 kespa player, Flash, was able to beat a top Code B/Code A player. It's not as though Kespa players winning against GSL players is a common thing Yes, I think because the Kespa players in WCS has been doing well so we assuming the rest of the Kespa players are as well. I think what we saw in WCS are the players that have adapted the quickest. Some others are still catching up.
No they're the players who were specifically picked by Kespa so obviously they're the best. I highly doubt anyone else has improved all that much.
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On August 23 2012 22:36 Salazarz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 22:34 MVTaylor wrote:
Pathetic, I'm not paying OSL or any league related to KESPA a penny until they change their stance. Quite frankly I wouldn't mind if Blizzard black listed the OSL tournament and every KESPA pro gaming house until they change their mind. Finally something useful about bnet 0.2 Pathetic, you don't even know that OSL and everything KeSPA related has always been free, including their live events and even merch give-aways during finals etc, and yet you feel you know enough about the situation to spout crap like this. edit: It's so annoying reading comments by these know-it-alls who don't know anything about the ridiculous demands Blizzard had for KeSPA (lol their broadcasting fees), or the awful organisation at WCGs, or the dumb deal with GOM at the launch of SC2, but somehow are super familiar with the evil that is KeSPA, their atrocious crimes, and how KeSPA really SHOULD act. The amount of pure bandwagon hate just for the sake of hating because someone else said, 'hey lets hate on x' is really retarded. It's the number one reason I don't read forums like reddit, but it seems like TL isn't exactly much better these days...
You my friend are speaking out of your arse, OGN have never bothered with an English steam for SC until next week and if you honestly think that will be free HQ and free VODs you are mental. In case you didn't know (you don't) OGN run a LoL tournament with a dedicated English stream and other that the eight pixel stream that shit ain't free. Your days of Sayle and Ooophidian free rebroadcasts are over my friend, prepare to meet the world as it actually is in 2012.
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On August 23 2012 22:48 achan1058 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 22:47 Talin wrote:On August 23 2012 22:41 achan1058 wrote:On August 23 2012 22:40 vthree wrote:On August 23 2012 22:36 achan1058 wrote:On August 23 2012 22:35 vthree wrote:On August 23 2012 22:16 Rustug wrote:On August 23 2012 21:57 floor exercise wrote:On August 23 2012 21:54 BLinD-RawR wrote:On August 23 2012 21:49 monkybone wrote:
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No, GSL has always been about featuring the best players in the world. Kespa is destroying the integrity of the GSL with this behavior. true, but really I need to know why KeSPA declined its teams from participating I'm sure its not something unreasonable, They've pulled crazy shit before but this is completely random. It all comes down to money. Kespa players are hot commodities, they would certainly increase viewership of gom domestically and around the world. That means more money for Gom, and for what, using another organisations players that they have built and supported for a decade. It's easy for Gom to appeal to the fans and cry victim like this, but we really don't know the arrangement or if Kespa is expected to just hand over their stars, which is their only real valuable asset, for nothing Domestically yes, internationally it's already doing pretty good. This is a domestic "turf war", can't tell who's the good guy and who is the bad guy. But IMO if Blizzard doesn't step in quick, it will be bad for SC in Korea as a whole. Yes, Blizzard, the company that won't even make LAN mode for tournaments is going to try to step in? I think they would be out of their depths. Yes, they created the game and has the license for it, but they don't know the e-sports scene in Korea. Actually, the lack of LAN is why they could step in. Imagine OSL finals, Flash vs MVP say. After the 1st game, Flash's account was suddenly banned. Really? You think Blizzard would risk the entire Korean market by pulling a stunt like that? Look, some of us hardcore SC2 fans might get upset because Kespa players won't be playing in GSL this season. But let's face it, we are a small minority. Blizzard would be stupid to try to step in like this. I would think they would want to step in, though not in the manner I described. They don't want KeSPA to get too much power, since it takes away power from them. They don't have many options anyway. The two things they can do is come up with some slap-on-the-wrist PR statement or deny Kespa the right to run SC2 tournaments. Nobody would care about the former, and they would be digging their own grave as far as Korean market is concerned with the latter. It's mind boggling that GOM (and possibly Blizzard) basically want to pressure the teams to have players compete in their tournaments. Well it's not mind boggling, it's understandable from a business / power play perspective, but that is much more of a dick move than Kespa teams simply deciding that they can't fit another individual league into their schedule at this point in time. Then don't let GSL players participate in OSL. If it goes both ways, I am perfectly happy.
Well that's up to the GSL teams and players themselves. I don't think the world would have ended if they chose not to participate in the OSL. However, pulling out from an event they already joined is a different thing entirely.
On August 23 2012 22:51 MVTaylor wrote:
prepare to meet the world as it actually is in 2012.
I'd rather not, it is not a very pleasant world.
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Yeah I dunno, ill assume the best for now.
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