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SarcasmMonster
3136 Posts
Poll: Kespa is doing this because... To screw with GOM (part 2) (698) Players aren't ready (38) Bit of A and B (37) 773 total votes Your vote: Kespa is doing this because... (Vote): To screw with GOM (part 2) | ||
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Nick_54
United States2230 Posts
On August 23 2012 22:36 Salazarz wrote: Pathetic, you don't even know that OSL and everything KeSPA related has always been free, including their live events and even merch give-aways during finals etc, and yet you feel you know enough about the situation to spout crap like this. edit: It's so annoying reading comments by these know-it-alls who don't know anything about the ridiculous demands Blizzard had for KeSPA (lol their broadcasting fees), or the awful organisation at WCGs, or the dumb deal with GOM at the launch of SC2, but somehow are super familiar with the evil that is KeSPA, their atrocious crimes, and how KeSPA really SHOULD act. The amount of pure bandwagon hate just for the sake of hating because someone else said, 'hey lets hate on x' is really retarded. It's the number one reason I don't read forums like reddit, but it seems like TL isn't exactly much better these days... I have to agree with this guy a little bit. Kespa never charged American and non-European viewers to watch their content, while letting Koreans view for free to build their brand (like GOM) so your never going to "have to pay them a penny." Remember when GOM was trying to charge even more then they are now when they first starting producing content? Remember when after ten years of not giving a shit about broodwar Blizzard claimed to care just so they could get ahead of Kespa in the fight for viewers in Korea. I really don't know why people hate Kespa so much, but then put Blizzard and especially GOM on a pedestal. Obviusly Kespa has its faults, but there are two sides to every story. Yeah it sucks for the players and the viewers, but I think at sc2's current stage competition is a good thing and will result in the best product. | ||
Darkhorse
United States23455 Posts
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EAGER-beaver
Canada2799 Posts
Can't the kespa teams quit kespa, play in gom and still compete in the osl, afterall, gom players can play in the osl, why wouldn't ex kespa players be allowed? | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On August 23 2012 22:55 EAGER-beaver wrote: Can't the kespa teams quit kespa, play in gom and still compete in the osl, afterall, gom players can play in the osl, why wouldn't ex kespa players be allowed? Kespa teams ARE Kespa, they're not going to quit their own organization, the one that they created and are running. -_- | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
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Gosi
Sweden9072 Posts
On August 23 2012 22:56 Talin wrote: Kespa teams ARE Kespa, they're not going to quit their own organization, the one that they created and are running. -_- I sometimes wonder what people think KeSPA actually is. | ||
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floor exercise
Canada5847 Posts
On August 23 2012 22:55 EAGER-beaver wrote: Thanks for the translation Weirdkid. This is a real shame, I hope Kespa isn't trying monopolize the scene again like they did to gom in BW by pulling all of their players out. Even if not all the kespa players are ready, from wcs results, there are enough of them to compete in the generous seeds presented by gom. Can't the kespa teams quit kespa, play in gom and still compete in the osl, afterall, gom players can play in the osl, why wouldn't ex kespa players be allowed? Why would they want to? Kespa: better living conditions, better pay, more prestigious leagues, far more stable career GOM: team conditions ranging from okay to awful, poor to no salaries, one domestically unpopular league I don't think you'll find many if any players at all that care enough about GSL to give up on all it means to be on a kespa team | ||
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boxman22
Canada430 Posts
On August 23 2012 22:57 Forikorder wrote: hopefully Blizzard puts on the daddy pants and saids "if you dont let your players participate were pulling the plug on letting you broadcast SC2" That'd be an incredibly dumb decision on blizzard's part that would probably cost it millions... Edit: Unless Kespa agreed, in which case it wouldn't cost anything. But the risk isn't worth it | ||
DARKING
Mexico675 Posts
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ragz_gt
9172 Posts
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On August 23 2012 22:57 Forikorder wrote: hopefully Blizzard puts on the daddy pants and saids "if you dont let your players participate were pulling the plug on letting you broadcast SC2" That would be retarded and it would accomplish nothing. The players would just come out and say that it's their own decision not to play in GSL. You'd have the exact same situation, except with Blizzard having acted like dicks. | ||
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holy_war
United States3590 Posts
On August 23 2012 22:47 Talin wrote: They don't have many options anyway. The two things they can do is come up with some slap-on-the-wrist PR statement or deny Kespa the right to run SC2 tournaments. Nobody would care about the former, and they would be digging their own grave as far as Korean market is concerned with the latter. It's mind boggling that GOM (and possibly Blizzard) basically want to pressure the teams to have players compete in their tournaments. Well it's not mind boggling, it's understandable from a business / power play perspective, but that is much more of a dick move than Kespa teams simply deciding that they can't fit another individual league into their schedule at this point in time. GOM/Blizzard isn't naive. Remember back in BW when KeSPA shut down the GOM league? | ||
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bo1b
Australia12814 Posts
On August 23 2012 22:57 Forikorder wrote: hopefully Blizzard puts on the daddy pants and saids "if you dont let your players participate were pulling the plug on letting you broadcast SC2" That would be about the worst case scenario. What I really hope happens is that kespa is creating some sort of opening event. Even then, that federation players are playing in the osl and not vice versa makes this such a shitty move. | ||
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ragz_gt
9172 Posts
On August 23 2012 23:00 Talin wrote: That would be retarded and it would accomplish nothing. The players would just come out and say that it's their own decision not to play in GSL then and you'd have the exact same situation, except with Blizzard having acted like dicks. Player and coach already said it was not their decision. Too late for that boat. | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On August 23 2012 22:58 boxman22 wrote: That'd be an incredibly dumb decision on blizzard's part that would probably cost it millions... Edit: Unless Kespa agreed, in which case it wouldn't cost anything. But the risk isn't worth it i dont see how it would cost blizzard anything, worst case scenario it gos back to how it was before KesPA started switching | ||
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Rustug
1488 Posts
On August 23 2012 22:42 Salazarz wrote: Yeah, because we've all seen how good and active Blizzard is with developing the e-sports scene or hosting their own tournaments, right? I think people are being negative nancies here. In the last couple of months I've seen effort from Blizzard. WCS being the prime example. I'm not supporting KeSPA, GOM or Blizzard, neither BW or SC2 here. All I know/feel is that we need a healthy Korean StarCraft scene if we want to grow. Players need to be able to play all the tournaments. | ||
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setzer
United States3284 Posts
On August 23 2012 22:42 boxman22 wrote: Just glancing through day 1 of the open bracket, looking at some famous kespa player results: Wooki 0-2 고재흠 Hoejja 1-2 Harrier Flying 0-2 Brown Flash 2-0 Brown, Flash 1-2 Sniper Crazy-hydra 1-2 inori Bisu 0-2 Moon Fantasy 0-2 Pet Only 1 kespa player, Flash, was able to beat a top Code B/Code A player. It's not as though Kespa players winning against GSL players is a common thing Recent, more relevant results, prove you wrong. | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On August 23 2012 23:01 holy_war wrote: GOM/Blizzard isn't naive. Remember back in BW when KeSPA shut down the GOM league? They didn't shut it down as far as I know. They just didn't endorse it, and then the teams eventually pulled their players due to schedule congestion (having 3 individual leagues was too much and they're clearly not going to drop OSL or MSL for it). Then it shut down. | ||
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Saechiis
Netherlands4989 Posts
On August 23 2012 22:47 Talin wrote: They don't have many options anyway. The two things they can do is come up with some slap-on-the-wrist PR statement or deny Kespa the right to run SC2 tournaments. Nobody would care about the former, and they would be digging their own grave as far as Korean market is concerned with the latter. It's mind boggling that GOM (and possibly Blizzard) basically want to pressure the teams to have players compete in their tournaments. Well it's not mind boggling, it's understandable from a business / power play perspective, but that is much more of a dick move than Kespa teams simply deciding that they can't fit another individual league into their schedule at this point in time. "can't fit it into their schedule" is a PR way of saying "we're going to start our own league and keep the current players to ourselves". To me it seems like it's KeSPa backing out on agreements here, trying to get the same monopoly they had in BW by denying Blizzard ownership and blocking GOM by witholding their players from non-KeSPa league participation. It's only logical for GOM and Blizzard to frown upon such a selfish goal, especially since it isn't in the players' best interest at all, nor the fans' for that matter. | ||
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