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On July 16 2012 17:05 tsango wrote:
For the arguement about GM spaces, its a moot point because accounts have to be active to retain the place - unless you kept your local pro-gamer on a retainer to boost you regularly theres noway your going to maintain it. And even if you did, how would this be different to progamers whom have multiple accounts all in GM? Believe it or not such people do exist, and we dont have a go at them about it
People seriously need to educate themselves about the ladder if they want to have a talk in this.
Anyone is able to maintain GM for a season. Once you're in, you can lose an infinite amount of games as long as you keep the bonus pool low. You are allowed to lose hundreds of games to then beat a couple of bronzies.
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Is it that time for a witch-hunt already?
Apparently a moron paying a pro to smurf their account for a couple hours is as bad as hacking the game.
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I am actually quite against cheating, even if it's not hurting anyone even if that were the case.
But, there is something that upsets me about SC2 more than anything, I wish I could ladder against pros and get stomped over and over. I've leveled up to high level in game play using this method, but the only way I can do this in SC2 is customs, which is much too slow.
So, though I believe it's wrong for people to do this, I believe Blizzard should input something to allow people to challenge themselves much better. Not everyone learns the same way or is motivated the same way, I'm more motivated when I get utterly demolished than when I kinda lose.
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this has no meaning because if naama plays on an account and he is good, ppl who hit him on ladder get good practice. It does not hurt the ladder at all, cheesers and cheaters are much worse.
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i cant see any point, who cares the EULA ?
one pro let another pro play ? well who cares they both good enemys to play against its not like cheating its not even bad cause naama is the way nicer player ^^
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On July 16 2012 17:24 GertHeart wrote:
I am actually quite against cheating, even if it's not hurting anyone even if that were the case.
But, there is something that upsets me about SC2 more than anything, I wish I could ladder against pros and get stomped over and over. I've leveled up to high level in game play using this method, but the only way I can do this in SC2 is customs, which is much too slow.
So, though I believe it's wrong for people to do this, I believe Blizzard should input something to allow people to challenge themselves much better. Not everyone learns the same way or is motivated the same way, I'm more motivated when I get utterly demolished than when I kinda lose.
You've gotta play customs for that. It would be absolutely ridiculous if the ladder matched you against people who are 1/10th as good as you.
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Personally couldn't care less about the 'account levelling', I'm afraid. I dont think there is any real value in the ladder placements at all. There could and probably are numerous pro accounts high on the ladder anyway; So what if they take up another spot? Real recognition comes from performance in tournament scenarios.
But if he's a hacker, permanently ban his account 
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Interesting that ppl here seems to have quite an indifferent attitude. In my opinion, powerleveling is a quite bad, but not as bad as hacking though. It destroys the integrity of the ladder and I'm quite surprised that many pros are accepting this tainted money. I find it amusing that people get very worked up over hacking but ignore other issues.
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People that DESERVE the high ranks will most likely always end up where they should , no reason getting butthurt about that. That being said most of the progamers have at least few accounts they play on and many of them already have multiple accounts in grandmasters anyway. People that buy account boosting will never end up being good or recognised anyway and it definately doesnt hurt for progamers to have an additional source of extra income. And no , grandmaster rarely provides any kind of recognition , proof of that being ~150/200 people in grandmasters no1 has ever heared about in every region.
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The fact that anyone gives a shit about this astounds me. You just play the game if that guy got an account leveled to GM he is obviously not a GM player and will be kicked out eventually that is how the ladder system works. If he chooses not to play he will be dropped from GM for having a high Bonus pool it's not a big deal it doesn't matter this thread is kind of pointless.
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Don't care much about this, as long hacks are not usable and dealt with. That is the more important issue.
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On July 16 2012 17:23 Mandalor wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2012 17:05 tsango wrote:
For the arguement about GM spaces, its a moot point because accounts have to be active to retain the place - unless you kept your local pro-gamer on a retainer to boost you regularly theres noway your going to maintain it. And even if you did, how would this be different to progamers whom have multiple accounts all in GM? Believe it or not such people do exist, and we dont have a go at them about it People seriously need to educate themselves about the ladder if they want to have a talk in this. Anyone is able to maintain GM for a season. Once you're in, you can lose an infinite amount of games as long as you keep the bonus pool low. You are allowed to lose hundreds of games to then beat a couple of bronzies.
How do you keep the bonus pool low if you never win?
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On July 16 2012 17:38 Douillos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2012 17:23 Mandalor wrote:On July 16 2012 17:05 tsango wrote:
For the arguement about GM spaces, its a moot point because accounts have to be active to retain the place - unless you kept your local pro-gamer on a retainer to boost you regularly theres noway your going to maintain it. And even if you did, how would this be different to progamers whom have multiple accounts all in GM? Believe it or not such people do exist, and we dont have a go at them about it People seriously need to educate themselves about the ladder if they want to have a talk in this. Anyone is able to maintain GM for a season. Once you're in, you can lose an infinite amount of games as long as you keep the bonus pool low. You are allowed to lose hundreds of games to then beat a couple of bronzies. How do you keep the bonus pool low if you never win?
Your MMR still drops. Which means eventually you get placed against people of your own skill level. So theoretically you can be a GM playing Gold players and still retain your GM status.
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TBH I support the pro's doing this. Yes it screws up the ladder(not that it isn't particularly screwed up already), but if you actually look at the state of SC2, there are maybe 2 dozen pros at most who make enough off of tourney winnings alone to support themselves, and probably about a couple dozen more where team+winnings is enough to support themselves(support defined as food+board). The rest of them have to find ways to support themselves, and if they can make guranteed $200(don't actually know the sum) in a day or two, then all the power to them.
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On July 16 2012 16:51 alderamin wrote:
You guys are denying it is manipulating the ladder unfairly and denying it is against Blizzard's rules?
How is it different from makhacking? Ladder abuse in the past in TSL ladder resulted in several people getting banned for a year or so for cheating just 1 game. This is about many many games.
Well it's a lot different from maphacking in the sense that nobody is getting cheated out of a match unfairly. The pro's still have to play legit to beat all those players.
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On July 16 2012 17:38 Douillos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2012 17:23 Mandalor wrote:On July 16 2012 17:05 tsango wrote:
For the arguement about GM spaces, its a moot point because accounts have to be active to retain the place - unless you kept your local pro-gamer on a retainer to boost you regularly theres noway your going to maintain it. And even if you did, how would this be different to progamers whom have multiple accounts all in GM? Believe it or not such people do exist, and we dont have a go at them about it People seriously need to educate themselves about the ladder if they want to have a talk in this. Anyone is able to maintain GM for a season. Once you're in, you can lose an infinite amount of games as long as you keep the bonus pool low. You are allowed to lose hundreds of games to then beat a couple of bronzies. How do you keep the bonus pool low if you never win?
From the same guy you just quoted -
"You are allowed to lose hundreds of games to then beat a couple of bronzies."
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On July 16 2012 17:38 SigmaoctanusIV wrote:
The fact that anyone gives a shit about this astounds me. You just play the game if that guy got an account leveled to GM he is obviously not a GM player and will be kicked out eventually that is how the ladder system works. If he chooses not to play he will be dropped from GM for having a high Bonus pool it's not a big deal it doesn't matter this thread is kind of pointless.
The apathy towards it astounds me. People saying ladder doesn't matter anyway, well it certainly won't if we let stuff like this slide.
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Other than being against the EULA and making bad players play vs GM players I dont see why this is a big issue at all if pros can make a bit of extra coin off it
I dont see why this does any harm even if it could be categorized as softcore maphacking ?
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Oky, let me put it to you this way:
- The only reason why this happens is because some pros make very little money
- The only reason why this hurt someone is because some people that wish to be pros will be discouraged
So isn't this... good ? If the low tier pros don't make enough money and have to do this kinda of stuff to make more than its obviously not a very good thing to aspire to, thus by doing this the guys are helping some kids that want to get into something they don't know enough about to realize it won't yelled them enough money AND are helping themselves.
They are also taking away money from stupid people that want those accounts, which is a good thing in terms of "morale".
Considering the above, without saying any information in your post is false, I don't believe this is a problem but rather something good.
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hahahahaha, I've always wondered who is ranked above me in the ladder with the name IMMvp ( i was ranked 2 Masters at this moment, and he had like 40-4 stats or smth like that ). I msg that account, but he never answered. Nice to see that that was Naama :D
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