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it's still higher than playhem though..
thus..
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I seriously dont see a problem in getting free wins from noobs at a silver level while im laddering. I really think it is the person who buys the leveling who is the fool for wasting their money on getting into a league they won't be able to maintain for long. I dont think it should be a big deal to their teams of the players who are doing it anyway, they are just making some easy money. Silly thread 
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On September 28 2012 02:49 Shiori wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2012 02:45 Doodsmack wrote:On September 28 2012 01:17 FnaticNaama wrote:On September 25 2012 07:07 Doodsmack wrote:
I hope I don't make this thread redundant of the VeraLynn issue by bumping it, but I think that issue shows once again that the problem of account leveling isn't necessarily small potatoes. I added the VeraLynn thread to my point #6. Kawaii's hotkey analysis also proves once again that smurf accounts and leveled accounts can be identified by the sc2gears hotkey graphs. It really is a fingerprint for SC2 players. And believe it or not there are definitely a finite number of players from each race to check once you've seen a replay and know that it's very high level play.
So, needless to say this kind of thing is still going on. Naama continues to level the IMMvp account, with 34 games played this season. Nope.jpg Well the evidence is there in the OP, I'd be happy to hear you counter it. Here's the counter: what VeraLynn did was wrong because she used her high ranked account for personal gain, and ditto for DA, not because DA leveled the account itself. Frankly, if you want to let someone play on your account, that's your own damn business, and if a pro wants to offer their services, that's their damn business.
Except for the part where it is against Blizzard rules and it ruins the integrity of the ladder.
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On September 28 2012 02:59 Zennith wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2012 02:49 Shiori wrote:On September 28 2012 02:45 Doodsmack wrote:On September 28 2012 01:17 FnaticNaama wrote:On September 25 2012 07:07 Doodsmack wrote:
I hope I don't make this thread redundant of the VeraLynn issue by bumping it, but I think that issue shows once again that the problem of account leveling isn't necessarily small potatoes. I added the VeraLynn thread to my point #6. Kawaii's hotkey analysis also proves once again that smurf accounts and leveled accounts can be identified by the sc2gears hotkey graphs. It really is a fingerprint for SC2 players. And believe it or not there are definitely a finite number of players from each race to check once you've seen a replay and know that it's very high level play.
So, needless to say this kind of thing is still going on. Naama continues to level the IMMvp account, with 34 games played this season. Nope.jpg Well the evidence is there in the OP, I'd be happy to hear you counter it. Here's the counter: what VeraLynn did was wrong because she used her high ranked account for personal gain, and ditto for DA, not because DA leveled the account itself. Frankly, if you want to let someone play on your account, that's your own damn business, and if a pro wants to offer their services, that's their damn business. Except for the part where it is against Blizzard rules and it ruins the integrity of the ladder.
I definitely don't care about the first one, and I don't think the second one is even true. Leveling an account to GM is no different relative to the ladder than progamers have 5 accounts in GM.
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On September 28 2012 03:03 Shiori wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2012 02:59 Zennith wrote:On September 28 2012 02:49 Shiori wrote:On September 28 2012 02:45 Doodsmack wrote:On September 28 2012 01:17 FnaticNaama wrote:On September 25 2012 07:07 Doodsmack wrote:
I hope I don't make this thread redundant of the VeraLynn issue by bumping it, but I think that issue shows once again that the problem of account leveling isn't necessarily small potatoes. I added the VeraLynn thread to my point #6. Kawaii's hotkey analysis also proves once again that smurf accounts and leveled accounts can be identified by the sc2gears hotkey graphs. It really is a fingerprint for SC2 players. And believe it or not there are definitely a finite number of players from each race to check once you've seen a replay and know that it's very high level play.
So, needless to say this kind of thing is still going on. Naama continues to level the IMMvp account, with 34 games played this season. Nope.jpg Well the evidence is there in the OP, I'd be happy to hear you counter it. Here's the counter: what VeraLynn did was wrong because she used her high ranked account for personal gain, and ditto for DA, not because DA leveled the account itself. Frankly, if you want to let someone play on your account, that's your own damn business, and if a pro wants to offer their services, that's their damn business. Except for the part where it is against Blizzard rules and it ruins the integrity of the ladder. I definitely don't care about the first one, and I don't think the second one is even true. Leveling an account to GM is no different relative to the ladder than progamers have 5 accounts in GM.
Cool that you don't care about Blizzard rules. Would you rather Blizzard just not have any rules at all?
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On September 28 2012 03:06 Zennith wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2012 03:03 Shiori wrote:On September 28 2012 02:59 Zennith wrote:On September 28 2012 02:49 Shiori wrote:On September 28 2012 02:45 Doodsmack wrote:On September 28 2012 01:17 FnaticNaama wrote:On September 25 2012 07:07 Doodsmack wrote:
I hope I don't make this thread redundant of the VeraLynn issue by bumping it, but I think that issue shows once again that the problem of account leveling isn't necessarily small potatoes. I added the VeraLynn thread to my point #6. Kawaii's hotkey analysis also proves once again that smurf accounts and leveled accounts can be identified by the sc2gears hotkey graphs. It really is a fingerprint for SC2 players. And believe it or not there are definitely a finite number of players from each race to check once you've seen a replay and know that it's very high level play.
So, needless to say this kind of thing is still going on. Naama continues to level the IMMvp account, with 34 games played this season. Nope.jpg Well the evidence is there in the OP, I'd be happy to hear you counter it. Here's the counter: what VeraLynn did was wrong because she used her high ranked account for personal gain, and ditto for DA, not because DA leveled the account itself. Frankly, if you want to let someone play on your account, that's your own damn business, and if a pro wants to offer their services, that's their damn business. Except for the part where it is against Blizzard rules and it ruins the integrity of the ladder. I definitely don't care about the first one, and I don't think the second one is even true. Leveling an account to GM is no different relative to the ladder than progamers have 5 accounts in GM. Cool that you don't care about Blizzard rules. Would you rather Blizzard just not have any rules at all?
This literally doesn't affect you at all.
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Why would anyone want this in the first place? I mean, you get your account leveled up way past your skill level, and then when you play it you get roflstomped back down to wherever you belong? Seems pretty stupid to me
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i don't think its that much of an issue because its a 1v1 game and if you play on your account you had leveled it your probably just going to give people free wins.
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On September 28 2012 03:06 Zennith wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2012 03:03 Shiori wrote:On September 28 2012 02:59 Zennith wrote:On September 28 2012 02:49 Shiori wrote:On September 28 2012 02:45 Doodsmack wrote:On September 28 2012 01:17 FnaticNaama wrote:On September 25 2012 07:07 Doodsmack wrote:
I hope I don't make this thread redundant of the VeraLynn issue by bumping it, but I think that issue shows once again that the problem of account leveling isn't necessarily small potatoes. I added the VeraLynn thread to my point #6. Kawaii's hotkey analysis also proves once again that smurf accounts and leveled accounts can be identified by the sc2gears hotkey graphs. It really is a fingerprint for SC2 players. And believe it or not there are definitely a finite number of players from each race to check once you've seen a replay and know that it's very high level play.
So, needless to say this kind of thing is still going on. Naama continues to level the IMMvp account, with 34 games played this season. Nope.jpg Well the evidence is there in the OP, I'd be happy to hear you counter it. Here's the counter: what VeraLynn did was wrong because she used her high ranked account for personal gain, and ditto for DA, not because DA leveled the account itself. Frankly, if you want to let someone play on your account, that's your own damn business, and if a pro wants to offer their services, that's their damn business. Except for the part where it is against Blizzard rules and it ruins the integrity of the ladder. I definitely don't care about the first one, and I don't think the second one is even true. Leveling an account to GM is no different relative to the ladder than progamers have 5 accounts in GM. Cool that you don't care about Blizzard rules. Would you rather Blizzard just not have any rules at all?
That's not what I said. I care about rules if they are good ideas. Preventing others from playing on your account is not something I think needs to be a rule, ergo I don't care about it. I care about other rules that make sense, for instance, that maphacking should be a bannable offense.
Basically, I don't care about a rule just because it's a rule. It has to make sense and be a good idea.
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Seriously, the ruining the integrity of the ladder is pure bullshit. You really think these isolated cases will affect the whole ladder system such that it destroys the mechanics it was built on? It doesn't even come close to hacking as it's much more widespread and easily accessible.
Quit using such idealistic point-of-views to justify pointless arguments. If it is a breach of Blizzard's terms & conditions, they will deal with it eventually. This thread is totally a whine thread, it would be good if the creator stop bumping for whatever egoistic reasons.
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On September 28 2012 03:09 MerciLess wrote:
Why would anyone want this in the first place? I mean, you get your account leveled up way past your skill level, and then when you play it you get roflstomped back down to wherever you belong? Seems pretty stupid to me
1) People do this so they can scam people with "GM Level Coaching" when they are actually much lower in skill (seen a few people do this and advertise on coaching sites)
2) Maybe so they can brag to friends?
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I think people do this so they can brag they're masters league. If they get leveled to GM, I think it's required that you have to play every so often and your bonus pool can't go above like 200 (not entirely sure of this as I'm only masters  ). I really personally don't care if people are doing this because I'd still be able to easily beat them if they did try to ladder.
I also think this may fall under account sharing or something, which would be against Blizz's ToS?
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not a big deal everybody needs cash. Just enjoy the free wins from the idiots who went up to Master/GM without the necessary skills lol
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On September 28 2012 03:13 Foogazi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2012 03:09 MerciLess wrote:
Why would anyone want this in the first place? I mean, you get your account leveled up way past your skill level, and then when you play it you get roflstomped back down to wherever you belong? Seems pretty stupid to me 1) People do this so they can scam people with "GM Level Coaching" when they are actually much lower in skill (seen a few people do this and advertise on coaching sites) 2) Maybe so they can brag to friends?
some decent points but ill try to respond.
point 1 yes that could happen which i why you probably should not pay a random person without doing any ressearch first. and scams haappen in everything
and the second one yes some people are so pathetic that they'd pay to be able to brag but there's no way to stop those people at all and it really doesn't effect you too much.
I'm not arguing that this should be okay btw i just think that its not something worth making a big deal about because it doesn't have a major impact on the game and one's ability to enjoy it and play it the way it should be played.
yes something should probably be done about it but i think its impossible to do something that will drastically lower it without inconveniencing the general population who plays the game with overly harsh restrictions and i think the gains not worth the cost.
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On September 28 2012 02:45 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2012 01:17 FnaticNaama wrote:On September 25 2012 07:07 Doodsmack wrote:
I hope I don't make this thread redundant of the VeraLynn issue by bumping it, but I think that issue shows once again that the problem of account leveling isn't necessarily small potatoes. I added the VeraLynn thread to my point #6. Kawaii's hotkey analysis also proves once again that smurf accounts and leveled accounts can be identified by the sc2gears hotkey graphs. It really is a fingerprint for SC2 players. And believe it or not there are definitely a finite number of players from each race to check once you've seen a replay and know that it's very high level play.
So, needless to say this kind of thing is still going on. Naama continues to level the IMMvp account, with 34 games played this season. Nope.jpg Well the evidence is there in the OP, I'd be happy to hear you counter it.
I mean sure I did play on it but havent since 2-3 months
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Account leveling is as much cheating as maphacking.
Both cause players to end up on a spot on the ladder they don't belong.
Even if all pro's would do it, it would not make it right.
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On September 28 2012 03:48 Zandar wrote:
Account leveling is as much cheating as maphacking.
Both cause players to end up on a spot on the ladder they don't belong.
Even if all pro's would do it, it would not make it right.
This.
If you don't care about integrity on the ladder, why would you complain about hacking? It's all about being consistent.
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The pros lose genuine practice time while the customers lose money. It's silly because the customer is paying for a transient status on an online game. There really isn't any practical benefit to this. I think it's the lack of money in the gaming scene that compels lower level pros to start bending Blizzard policies to make a couple bucks, even though they're ultimately just stifling their chances of future earnings through their neglect of legitimate practice.
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