EPTHow is it different from makhacking? Ladder abuse in the past in TSL ladder resulted in several people getting banned for a year or so for cheating just 1 game. This is about many many games.
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alderamin
80 Posts
How is it different from makhacking? Ladder abuse in the past in TSL ladder resulted in several people getting banned for a year or so for cheating just 1 game. This is about many many games. | ||
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infringement153
United States30 Posts
Edit: And to people saying that this takes up a limited number of GM spots, what would you say if a progamer in GM bought another account of their own and leveled that to GM too? Or three? Or four? There's nothing against a player having multiple accounts in GM taking "spots" away from other players who might be "worthier," and so it shouldn't matter whether the account the progamer gets into GM is an account he owns or an account he doesn't own. | ||
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
On July 16 2012 16:50 Megaliskuu wrote: Don't see how this is a big deal at all, let the morons get their account leveled, most pros arent paid very well..they need to make money somehow right? Be kinda fun for the pros too right? They get to show off and be badass on ladder. Must be like taking a small break for them. | ||
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Insomni7
667 Posts
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iRon aka bananajuice
Germany124 Posts
On July 16 2012 16:44 Talin wrote: Or you can just not play at all and show off your fancy GM icon for the rest of the season and put something like "GM Terran NA" in your TL sig, which I believe is the incentive for most of these people, rather than actually wanting to play in GM. when you dont play you will loose your spot due to the bonus pool and when you play you will loose the spot due to loosing all games, because you are not gm level. | ||
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leveller
Sweden1840 Posts
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BoxingKangaroo
Japan955 Posts
On July 16 2012 16:50 Megaliskuu wrote: Don't see how this is a big deal at all, let the morons get their account leveled, most pros arent paid very well..they need to make money somehow right? If they can't make enough money doing legitimate stuff like streaming/winning/salary/coaching, then maybe they should consider a different career. It ruins the integrity of the ladder. Any pro that would do this would lose my support. | ||
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
On July 16 2012 16:51 alderamin wrote: You guys are denying it is manipulating the ladder unfairly and denying it is against Blizzard's rules? How is it different from makhacking? Ladder abuse in the past in TSL ladder resulted in several people getting banned for a year or so for cheating just 1 game. This is about many many games. I think that the difference between hacking and this, is the fact that if you don't get caught, hacking can cause some serious problems for people while this is very temporary. | ||
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Paradise`
United States201 Posts
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hoivenmayven
United States134 Posts
Given that the 1v1 player is irrefutably Naama Do not use this language with one piece of evidence. | ||
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AndAgain
United States2621 Posts
On July 16 2012 16:44 Talin wrote: Or you can just not play at all and show off your fancy GM icon for the rest of the season and put something like "GM Terran NA" in your TL sig, which I believe is the incentive for most of these people, rather than actually wanting to play in GM. Yeah, but the GM icon surrounded by the gold and plat icons might be a bit of a giveaway. I guess it would make sense for high masters players... but then again, how can anyone so dumb make it to high masters? | ||
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BoxingKangaroo
Japan955 Posts
On July 16 2012 16:53 iRon aka bananajuice wrote: when you dont play you will loose your spot due to the bonus pool and when you play you will loose the spot due to loosing all games, because you are not gm level. Once you're in though, you won't lose the spot until next season, provided you keep your pool low. | ||
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raser
Norway301 Posts
- It's against the EULA. just so you know, trading and selling accounts/games is legal in europe, no mather what blizzard put in their EULA | ||
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
On July 16 2012 16:54 BoxingKangaroo wrote: If they can't make enough money doing legitimate stuff like streaming/winning/salary/coaching, then maybe they should consider a different career. It ruins the integrity of the ladder. Any pro that would do this would lose my support. I think that we'll need a confirmation from a pro in NA/EU/KOR/etc to see whether or not it's possible to sustain oneself reasonably without having some extra money injections. Some pros (like Nestea) are good enough to win tournaments on their own, and have a salary. I don't know what it's like for other pros though. | ||
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Synche
United States1345 Posts
If someone wants to pay for this, there's really no victim here. Pros get the financial support they need and the guy gets his GM badge. The "integrity of the ladder" is already completely horrible. This is no different than pro's having smurf accounts. They smurf on that account for a season then "sell" it back to its original owner. | ||
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Ketch
Netherlands7285 Posts
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alderamin
80 Posts
On July 16 2012 16:55 raser wrote: just so you know, trading and selling accounts/games is legal in europe, no mather what blizzard put in their EULA So you can cheat and Blizzard can't do a think about it... lol You don't go to jail if you break Blizzard's rules. You will get banned. Different issues. It's amazing that people defend it by saying it is not a big deal. It is more amazing to see people say it is not a big deal because it doesn't hurt esports (Why isn't Blizzard in esports jail then?) What baffles me the most is people say it's ok because progames need money. Wowow the logic. Don't even know where to start. Normal people don't need money? If you need money you can break the rules/law? If they are professionals why do they need the money? Doesn't it imply they have it already? | ||
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Zrana
United Kingdom698 Posts
On July 16 2012 16:55 IntoTheheart wrote: I think that we'll need a confirmation from a pro in NA/EU/KOR/etc to see whether or not it's possible to sustain oneself reasonably without having some extra money injections. Some pros (like Nestea) are good enough to win tournaments on their own, and have a salary. I don't know what it's like for other pros though. Well that draws an interesting question; if a player can't win enough to sustain themselves are they actually a pro? Where do you draw the line between a pro player and someone who just plays a lot of starcraft? | ||
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
On July 16 2012 16:57 Ketch wrote: What the hell? People think progamers need the money? They are cheating the ladder, that's what it is. Cannot fathom why people would say this is acceptable. Invites to various tournaments/qualifiers are based on the ladder ranking, so it better mean something... :/ One would think that the people in gold/play who know that they're not a GM-class player would know ahead of time that they aren't good enough to do well at the qualifiers/tournaments to make it worth their time, and getting humiliated on stage wouldn't be fun for them at any level. | ||
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Non0
United States100 Posts
- It IS hurting other people. The semi-pros in high master who are struggling to break into GM, because GM does in fact provide recognition to players. Ideally GM should be the top 200 ladder players, and not littered with leveled accounts. Aspiring semi-pros are being cheated out of potential opportunities by the people selling these leveling services. Moreover, these leveled accounts basically go inactive save for some occasional playing by the leveler to keep the account from falling out of GM. GM has tons of issues, this doesn't add much to it. There are already a lot of players with multiple GM accounts clogging the top 200, adding a few extra does little other than making an already bad system a tiny bit worse. I'm all in favor of our pro gamers getting more money from stupid people so that they can continue playing the game they love. All in all I don't think this is a big deal. To those saying that it is manipulating the ladder and omg honor and integrity: the ladder is hardly a perfect system and it is constantly manipulated. IE the players that get in GM by gaming the system (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=293637). Or the players that go to the very bottom of the ladder to portrait farm, committing a "bannable offense" by leaving games constantly. It is hurting people about as much as the steam sales discourage people from buying games. Which is not at all. | ||
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