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Just to break the norm here a little bit: I've been a fan of IdrA since BW, and when it comes to things like this people shouldn't really be surprised that he's right.
Is he known for complaining about balance? Sure.
Do things get patched pretty often in sc2? You bet.
(Just to encompass the top two, IdrA is known for complaining about terran cheese, guess what now queens have 5 range vs ground to counter early agression, hrm.)
Does he have the intelligence to make educated posts? Check his liquipedia regarding his education find out for yourself.
Why am I going on a rant about this? Kid knows his shit, and he's articulate enough to voice his opinion in a way that isn't just "wah wah MLG is bad wah wah." IdrA doesn't spew how terrible MLG was, he says what he feels they fucked up on, and offers ways to improve the experience.
Even if you don't like IdrA, he's not exactly a lone wolf in this situation when so many other pros and attendees have come forward about the situation.
TLDR: Good post that voices a lot of concerns expressed by other pros/members in the community as well. Also give credit where credit is due.
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I think this was a bad move on the organizer's part to have WCG and MLG together. Watching a huge tournament like MLG or WCG is to enjoy the story behind it, aka. Sase making it all the way up to semi-final from open bracket first round or MKP vs DRG arch-nemesis battle. But I couldn't really keep up with all of the WCG coverage, and watching the games back and forth made it really incohesive.
It was like trying to watch FIFA world cup tournament and European cup tournament at the same time while the players from FIFA were playing in the other tournament. The players who played in both were overly exhausted and the viewers could only keep up with either just MLG or just WCG. There was too much content for a regular viewer to watch the entirety of MLG and WCG. (I watched like 10+ hours over the weekend, and still couldn't watch much of WCG and only watched some KeSPA tourney)
tl dr; If they were two separate tourneys, they'd garner up more views/have better gameplay. I think KeSPA exhibition matches + MLG would have been sufficient.
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It wasnt smart for the two tourneys to be ran at the same time. However, it should be no excuse for a players performance. The player should know what he can handle and if players blame the organizers for the loss then they should have not joined both in the first place. Tyler was one that decided on wcs and he did well for himself. He knew what he couldnt do and followed through.
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Just to break the norm here a little bit: I've been a fan of IdrA since BW, and when it comes to things like this people shouldn't really be surprised that he's right.
Is he known for complaining about balance? Sure.
Do things get patched pretty often in sc2? You bet.
(Just to encompass the top two, IdrA is known for complaining about terran cheese, guess what now queens have 5 range vs ground to counter early agression, hrm.)
Does he have the intelligence to make educated posts? Check his liquipedia regarding his education find out for yourself.
Why am I going on a rant about this? Kid knows his shit, and he's articulate enough to voice his opinion in a way that isn't just "wah wah MLG is bad wah wah." IdrA doesn't spew how terrible MLG was, he says what he feels they fucked up on, and offers ways to improve the experience.
Even if you don't like IdrA, he's not exactly a lone wolf in this situation when so many other pros and attendees have come forward about the situation.
TLDR: Good post that voices a lot of concerns expressed by other pros/members in the community as well. Also give credit where credit is due.Last edit: 2012-06-14 04:18:38
If you bothered to read the rest of the thread you would realize that you are hardly breaking the norm... But I agree with you. This was a horribly coordinated event and blizz and mlg need to change the way they run it.
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On June 14 2012 04:24 radiantshadow92 wrote:
It wasnt smart for the two tourneys to be ran at the same time. However, it should be no excuse for a players performance. The player should know what he can handle and if players blame the organizers for the loss then they should have not joined both in the first place. Tyler was one that decided on wcs and he did well for himself. He knew what he couldnt do and followed through.
Players and teams earn their livings through exposure in these tourneys. If Idra suddenly decided to not play in MLG he is losing out on potential prize money, exposure for his team through a good preformance etc. . . For many players playing in the WCS this was their one opportunity to go to an MLG because their teams can't send them. They feel obligated to make the most of these opportunities. It is the job of the tournament staff to make sure that players have a reasonable schedule and not force players to choose which tourney to play in or have a ridiculous schedule.
At the very least the tourney must not play matches before they were scheduled. If players have to play a lot of matches then they should be able to know when they are going to be so they can eat and relax between matches.
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Just to break the norm here a little bit: I've been a fan of IdrA since BW, and when it comes to things like this people shouldn't really be surprised that he's right.
Is he known for complaining about balance? Sure.
Do things get patched pretty often in sc2? You bet.
(Just to encompass the top two, IdrA is known for complaining about terran cheese, guess what now queens have 5 range vs ground to counter early agression, hrm.)
Does he have the intelligence to make educated posts? Check his liquipedia regarding his education find out for yourself.
Why am I going on a rant about this? Kid knows his shit, and he's articulate enough to voice his opinion in a way that isn't just "wah wah MLG is bad wah wah." IdrA doesn't spew how terrible MLG was, he says what he feels they fucked up on, and offers ways to improve the experience.
Even if you don't like IdrA, he's not exactly a lone wolf in this situation when so many other pros and attendees have come forward about the situation.
TLDR: Good post that voices a lot of concerns expressed by other pros/members in the community as well. Also give credit where credit is due.Last edit: 2012-06-14 04:18:38
hold up, you sound like you could be idra's mother.
User was warned for this post
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On June 14 2012 04:34 Inquisitor1323 wrote:Show nested quote +Just to break the norm here a little bit: I've been a fan of IdrA since BW, and when it comes to things like this people shouldn't really be surprised that he's right.
Is he known for complaining about balance? Sure.
Do things get patched pretty often in sc2? You bet.
(Just to encompass the top two, IdrA is known for complaining about terran cheese, guess what now queens have 5 range vs ground to counter early agression, hrm.)
Does he have the intelligence to make educated posts? Check his liquipedia regarding his education find out for yourself.
Why am I going on a rant about this? Kid knows his shit, and he's articulate enough to voice his opinion in a way that isn't just "wah wah MLG is bad wah wah." IdrA doesn't spew how terrible MLG was, he says what he feels they fucked up on, and offers ways to improve the experience.
Even if you don't like IdrA, he's not exactly a lone wolf in this situation when so many other pros and attendees have come forward about the situation.
TLDR: Good post that voices a lot of concerns expressed by other pros/members in the community as well. Also give credit where credit is due.Last edit: 2012-06-14 04:18:38
If you bothered to read the rest of the thread you would realize that you are hardly breaking the norm... But I agree with you. This was a horribly coordinated event and blizz and mlg need to change the way they run it.
I was only referring to the way I started the post, as the majority have been (as stated previously by someone in the thread) "I normally hate/dislike/disagreewith/etc IdrA" Whereas mine started with "I'm a long time fan."
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Clashing tournaments? This is such a travesty.
It happens. Pick one or the other.
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My thoughts exactly. People were telling me that Daisuke and Vibe deserved to be in the finals because they made it and Sheth, Idra, etc got knocked out. But Daisuke and Vibe were too bad to get any meaningful MLG time, so they had the advantage of playing half the games as these guys.
I wish some spectators would pull back their eyelids and stop focusing so much on glam than skill level. Idra is being OUTPERFORMED in many tournaments, not just this one due to "Exhaustion". Yes that's right, I said outperformed. A lot of these "big name" players are only there due to the fact that people put them on a pedestal, which is sad because they don't see a player's real skill. Nothing against the EG players, but if I recall correctly, half of the ones that were in WCS played their games so early on that being "Exhausted" is an excuse at this point, considering they only played a handful of games before they were out of the tournament. These EG players should be dominating these tournaments. They live in a gaming house where all they have to worry about is playing games all day for crying out loud.
Sure, I bet Idra was tired just like all of the other players who played for 13 hours straight, but please, for the love of Starcraft, get off player's jocks because they have a big name and realize that there are "no name" players rising to the top because they have more dedication and passion for the game. Thank you ♥
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The whole scenario wasn't that great for viewers either. With both events going on simultaneously with the same players and being reported by the same sources I had a hard time even keeping track of who was progressing in what. I don't even deign think about all the high quality match content that got wasted without air time.
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On June 14 2012 04:43 Inquisitor1323 wrote:Show nested quote +Just to break the norm here a little bit: I've been a fan of IdrA since BW, and when it comes to things like this people shouldn't really be surprised that he's right.
Is he known for complaining about balance? Sure.
Do things get patched pretty often in sc2? You bet.
(Just to encompass the top two, IdrA is known for complaining about terran cheese, guess what now queens have 5 range vs ground to counter early agression, hrm.)
Does he have the intelligence to make educated posts? Check his liquipedia regarding his education find out for yourself.
Why am I going on a rant about this? Kid knows his shit, and he's articulate enough to voice his opinion in a way that isn't just "wah wah MLG is bad wah wah." IdrA doesn't spew how terrible MLG was, he says what he feels they fucked up on, and offers ways to improve the experience.
Even if you don't like IdrA, he's not exactly a lone wolf in this situation when so many other pros and attendees have come forward about the situation.
TLDR: Good post that voices a lot of concerns expressed by other pros/members in the community as well. Also give credit where credit is due.Last edit: 2012-06-14 04:18:38
hold up, you sound like you could be idra's mother.
Hm ... didn't he say on real talk that she does read the forums? ;-) That would be one cool mother.
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I don't have any sympathy. You train months for major LAN events, start including "dealing with stress" in that regiment if you need too. If this is what progamers have to deal with, it doesn't sound that bad compared to many other things they would be doing if not for an e-sports scene.
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On June 13 2012 12:03 Sub40APM wrote:
Seems like a fair criticism. But on the state of the game right before this tournament Idra was excited about the qualifiers because he thought the quality of opponents was crap while the reward for winning the tournament was quite rich. Seems like he either severely underestimated how tired he would be or simply chose to try to win as much money as possible in the same weekend and ended up under performing in the easiest tournament while more or less performing as expected as the MLG.
It was actually really sad watching his games. You could see how the fatigue was affecting his play. It's one thing to just not play that well and lose, but that wasn't happening. For example, in his series vs. Daisuki that knocked him out, it was fairly easy to see that IdrA was the better player (if that's statement is too much for you to deal with, at least understand that they were at least even). The losses weren't a result of weaker play than his opponent, but rather HUGE mistakes that are easily attributed to fatigue. In game 1 he built 2 infestation pits and suicided the control group of all of his infestors forcing him to gg out. In the final game, he went hatch first vs. 14/14 with heavy ling/bane pressure. He canceled a bane nest while it was more or less halfway complete and threw down a roach warren and then later cancelled the roach warren and opted for no tech. Low level pros don't make those mistakes so long as they aren't completely exhausted.
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IdrA with a negative opinion on something? SHOCKING!!!
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You could make the same argument for Daisuki that he was tired and his mistakes were attributed to fatigue in the Idra series. I believe that two tournaments should not be played at the same time but Daisuki managed through his fatigue to take the win over Idra. Secondly, Daisuki technically played an additional round since Idra got a walkover over ranged. The most disappointing part of WCS was not being able to see a grand majority of the matches. I remember talking with my friends at barcraft on the underrated players in the scene and how I looked forward to seeing how they did but it was not streamed. No story, no drama.
-Daisuki played 4 Bo3 series in MLG before being knocked out which is equivalent to Idra.
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On June 14 2012 06:18 Witten wrote:
IdrA with a negative opinion on something? SHOCKING!!!
So? he makes a good point, and Sheth wrote a blog and said the same thing. but nobody jumped on his ass.
They both made valid points, but it seems alot of people are like " oh its idra being idra again"
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On June 14 2012 06:56 SMD wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2012 06:18 Witten wrote:
IdrA with a negative opinion on something? SHOCKING!!! So? he makes a good point, and Sheth wrote a blog and said the same thing. but nobody jumped on his ass. They both made valid points, but it seems alot of people are like " oh its idra being idra again"
Sheth could kick a puppy and he'd still be considered as good mannered...
I'm not a big Idra apologist, but I agree with him. It makes sense from a viewership point of view to have the US nationals with MLG and the Kespa tournament, but the US players were definitely at a disadvantage with having to worry about the nationals and also going through the open bracket.
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Couldn't be easy on the players playing one game while at the same time worrying about their next game right after...
Sometimes I wonder what's going on with Blizzard, they seem to continuosly make stupid decisions such as this...(and also making maps that are dumb)
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On June 14 2012 06:48 KingDime wrote:
You could make the same argument for Daisuki that he was tired and his mistakes were attributed to fatigue in the Idra series. I believe that two tournaments should not be played at the same time but Daisuki managed through his fatigue to take the win over Idra. Secondly, Daisuki technically played an additional round since Idra got a walkover over ranged. The most disappointing part of WCS was not being able to see a grand majority of the matches. I remember talking with my friends at barcraft on the underrated players in the scene and how I looked forward to seeing how they did but it was not streamed. No story, no drama.
-Daisuki played 4 Bo3 series in MLG before being knocked out which is equivalent to Idra.
And that is relevant how?
IdrA didn't say he lost in WCS because of the conditions. He even said in the blog that he deals with long gaming sessions better than a lot of other players and that they would actually give him an advantage.
On June 13 2012 23:33 Technique wrote:
Then pick a tournament to play in.
Of course it's gonna be hectic/long if you play 2 offline tournaments at the same time.
And how do you know he has a choice about what competition he goes to?
He is an employee, he doesn't get to do what the fuck he wants just because he is a pro-gamer.
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On June 13 2012 12:35 LambtrOn wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2012 12:26 NoGasfOu wrote:
Looks like EG is starting to require players not producing results to write and publish something for publicity. I remember QXC did this a lot. Or perhaps Idra felt this was worth talking about. I don't think Idra really needs publicity...
I'm fairly certain EG made Idra write this. But not because of poor results. That's obviously just a pseudo-clever way of saying Idra sucks.
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