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On June 13 2012 15:42 RaiKageRyu wrote:
I agree with his stance. It doesn't just suck for the players, it sucks for the viewers too. The WCS US Nationals took a major backseating to the main event that detracted giving exposure to the US players, which was the whole point of these WCS going around the world.
I still don't know who daisuki is.
This x10000. I'm mad that NA had an opportunity to see a good chunk of its players on an important stage and instead were relegated to very, very few matches and largely unable to take anything away from the event.
Also, people who are complaining about IdrA in this thread: stfu. Comment on his article or his ideas. Nobody gives a shit if you don't like him or EG.
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On June 14 2012 08:31 sincerelysLeEpy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2012 08:01 madgoat33 wrote:
is anyone else just kinda sick of idra?
6 months ago if you asked me I woulda said his analysis is almost always correct, but now? He just comes off as an arrogant, biased guy scrambling for any excuse for his disappointing play.
That said, can't stop cheering for him. Thank you. Someone who is not blind. A lot of these players who have big names and are on big teams are ridiculous. They Lack the dedication and therefore the skills due to the amount of time they put into the game and then make excuses when they lose. The SC community just writes off their poor performances because they performed well in BW or in the early SCII days. It's pretty sad actually. I did not play much BW and sadly wasn't into the pro scene, but I was informed that KESPA teams really only allow the TOP NOTCH players to play. Although there are really awesome players other than players like Flash and Jaedong, they don't play because they aren't on the same level. The SCII community makes this ordeal ok for these players to do poorly in these tournaments because they are put on a pedestal. It's sad when they have all the tools necessary to be top notch players but don't utilize their resources (like the EG house) and then get out performed in tournaments. It's quite irritating actually. It's good to see though that some people are starting to recognize what is going on. Props! Also I'm not making this statement based solely on MLG / WCS. It's oblivious that some players were fatigued from so many games and little rest, but it's obnoxious when it's one excuse after the next for every tournament is what I'm trying to get at. Push them aside and watch the epic play and dedication that shines from the up and coming newcomers!
You are a retard.
User was temp banned for this post.
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On June 14 2012 08:38 SmokeMonster wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2012 08:31 sincerelysLeEpy wrote:On June 14 2012 08:01 madgoat33 wrote:
is anyone else just kinda sick of idra?
6 months ago if you asked me I woulda said his analysis is almost always correct, but now? He just comes off as an arrogant, biased guy scrambling for any excuse for his disappointing play.
That said, can't stop cheering for him. Thank you. Someone who is not blind. A lot of these players who have big names and are on big teams are ridiculous. They Lack the dedication and therefore the skills due to the amount of time they put into the game and then make excuses when they lose. The SC community just writes off their poor performances because they performed well in BW or in the early SCII days. It's pretty sad actually. I did not play much BW and sadly wasn't into the pro scene, but I was informed that KESPA teams really only allow the TOP NOTCH players to play. Although there are really awesome players other than players like Flash and Jaedong, they don't play because they aren't on the same level. The SCII community makes this ordeal ok for these players to do poorly in these tournaments because they are put on a pedestal. It's sad when they have all the tools necessary to be top notch players but don't utilize their resources (like the EG house) and then get out performed in tournaments. It's quite irritating actually. It's good to see though that some people are starting to recognize what is going on. Props! Also I'm not making this statement based solely on MLG / WCS. It's oblivious that some players were fatigued from so many games and little rest, but it's obnoxious when it's one excuse after the next for every tournament is what I'm trying to get at. Push them aside and watch the epic play and dedication that shines from the up and coming newcomers! You are a retard.
No I'm just not blinded by being a fanboy as you clearly are
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Maybe idra didnt write this as an excuse for his poor results. Maybe it just really pissed him off.
The timing of it couldnt be worse tho.
And i wonder how much rage we wouldve received if idra actually played more than 4 games in the MLG brackets.
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On June 14 2012 08:39 sincerelysLeEpy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2012 08:38 SmokeMonster wrote:On June 14 2012 08:31 sincerelysLeEpy wrote:On June 14 2012 08:01 madgoat33 wrote:
is anyone else just kinda sick of idra?
6 months ago if you asked me I woulda said his analysis is almost always correct, but now? He just comes off as an arrogant, biased guy scrambling for any excuse for his disappointing play.
That said, can't stop cheering for him. Thank you. Someone who is not blind. A lot of these players who have big names and are on big teams are ridiculous. They Lack the dedication and therefore the skills due to the amount of time they put into the game and then make excuses when they lose. The SC community just writes off their poor performances because they performed well in BW or in the early SCII days. It's pretty sad actually. I did not play much BW and sadly wasn't into the pro scene, but I was informed that KESPA teams really only allow the TOP NOTCH players to play. Although there are really awesome players other than players like Flash and Jaedong, they don't play because they aren't on the same level. The SCII community makes this ordeal ok for these players to do poorly in these tournaments because they are put on a pedestal. It's sad when they have all the tools necessary to be top notch players but don't utilize their resources (like the EG house) and then get out performed in tournaments. It's quite irritating actually. It's good to see though that some people are starting to recognize what is going on. Props! Also I'm not making this statement based solely on MLG / WCS. It's oblivious that some players were fatigued from so many games and little rest, but it's obnoxious when it's one excuse after the next for every tournament is what I'm trying to get at. Push them aside and watch the epic play and dedication that shines from the up and coming newcomers! You are a retard. No I'm just not blinded by being a fanboy as you clearly are
So you don't like IdrA. How does that invalidate his opinions about running the 2 tournaments at the same time?
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On June 14 2012 08:16 SilverStar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2012 08:03 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
Are you serious right now? Because honestly it just looks like you're trying to play some weird game of gotcha, drawing false equivalences between two pretty different occurrences. That EG just accepted a forfeit without actually giving a damn about fairplay, competition and in the other case giving shit to a player who was actually looking for their player? Yup.
It probably wasn't even up to them at that point, if iDra was there at 10, and ranged wasn't there for an hour, they may have just given him the win without him having to accept.
eg. white-ra at mlg getting a forfeit loss
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On June 14 2012 08:39 sincerelysLeEpy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2012 08:38 SmokeMonster wrote:On June 14 2012 08:31 sincerelysLeEpy wrote:On June 14 2012 08:01 madgoat33 wrote:
is anyone else just kinda sick of idra?
6 months ago if you asked me I woulda said his analysis is almost always correct, but now? He just comes off as an arrogant, biased guy scrambling for any excuse for his disappointing play.
That said, can't stop cheering for him. Thank you. Someone who is not blind. A lot of these players who have big names and are on big teams are ridiculous. They Lack the dedication and therefore the skills due to the amount of time they put into the game and then make excuses when they lose. The SC community just writes off their poor performances because they performed well in BW or in the early SCII days. It's pretty sad actually. I did not play much BW and sadly wasn't into the pro scene, but I was informed that KESPA teams really only allow the TOP NOTCH players to play. Although there are really awesome players other than players like Flash and Jaedong, they don't play because they aren't on the same level. The SCII community makes this ordeal ok for these players to do poorly in these tournaments because they are put on a pedestal. It's sad when they have all the tools necessary to be top notch players but don't utilize their resources (like the EG house) and then get out performed in tournaments. It's quite irritating actually. It's good to see though that some people are starting to recognize what is going on. Props! Also I'm not making this statement based solely on MLG / WCS. It's oblivious that some players were fatigued from so many games and little rest, but it's obnoxious when it's one excuse after the next for every tournament is what I'm trying to get at. Push them aside and watch the epic play and dedication that shines from the up and coming newcomers! You are a retard. No I'm just not blinded by being a fanboy as you clearly are
The SC community don't write off poor performances. In case you didn't know, we actually call out players that are doing bad all the time (ie. incontrol, idra, jinro, etc).
Can you please tell me how you know those players you mentioned aren't utilizing their resources? Do you have hidden cams at their houses?
The problem I have with your post is that they are ridiculous generalizations based purely from your view of what the pros are doing and your view is pretty limited (non-existent).
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On June 14 2012 08:43 I_Love_Bacon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2012 08:39 sincerelysLeEpy wrote:On June 14 2012 08:38 SmokeMonster wrote:On June 14 2012 08:31 sincerelysLeEpy wrote:On June 14 2012 08:01 madgoat33 wrote:
is anyone else just kinda sick of idra?
6 months ago if you asked me I woulda said his analysis is almost always correct, but now? He just comes off as an arrogant, biased guy scrambling for any excuse for his disappointing play.
That said, can't stop cheering for him. Thank you. Someone who is not blind. A lot of these players who have big names and are on big teams are ridiculous. They Lack the dedication and therefore the skills due to the amount of time they put into the game and then make excuses when they lose. The SC community just writes off their poor performances because they performed well in BW or in the early SCII days. It's pretty sad actually. I did not play much BW and sadly wasn't into the pro scene, but I was informed that KESPA teams really only allow the TOP NOTCH players to play. Although there are really awesome players other than players like Flash and Jaedong, they don't play because they aren't on the same level. The SCII community makes this ordeal ok for these players to do poorly in these tournaments because they are put on a pedestal. It's sad when they have all the tools necessary to be top notch players but don't utilize their resources (like the EG house) and then get out performed in tournaments. It's quite irritating actually. It's good to see though that some people are starting to recognize what is going on. Props! Also I'm not making this statement based solely on MLG / WCS. It's oblivious that some players were fatigued from so many games and little rest, but it's obnoxious when it's one excuse after the next for every tournament is what I'm trying to get at. Push them aside and watch the epic play and dedication that shines from the up and coming newcomers! You are a retard. No I'm just not blinded by being a fanboy as you clearly are So you don't like IdrA. How does that invalidate his opinions about running the 2 tournaments at the same time?
Not at all. I actually never said I disagree with what Idra has said in regards to the tourney. If you read what I posted, . It's oblivious that some players were fatigued from so many games and little rest,
It's actually agreeing that the tournament was scattered and ran poorly. Being there seeing players being called to play MLG while still in a WCS match and vice versa was pretty ridiculous.
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On June 14 2012 08:37 I_Love_Bacon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2012 15:42 RaiKageRyu wrote:
I agree with his stance. It doesn't just suck for the players, it sucks for the viewers too. The WCS US Nationals took a major backseating to the main event that detracted giving exposure to the US players, which was the whole point of these WCS going around the world.
I still don't know who daisuki is. This x10000. I'm mad that NA had an opportunity to see a good chunk of its players on an important stage and instead were relegated to very, very few matches and largely unable to take anything away from the event. Also, people who are complaining about IdrA in this thread: stfu. Comment on his article or his ideas. Nobody gives a shit if you don't like him or EG.
As I stated earlier, Sheth's blog had a lot of similarties to idrA's, but nobody shits on sheth, i understand idra does some things people don't like, but he makes VERY VALID points in his blog, just because you don't like him doesn't mean hes wrong.
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in sheth's blog, he wrote pretty much the same thing regarding how poorly coordinated the two tournaments were. so it is was clearly a common sentiment among the players
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On June 14 2012 08:47 SmokeMonster wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2012 08:39 sincerelysLeEpy wrote:On June 14 2012 08:38 SmokeMonster wrote:On June 14 2012 08:31 sincerelysLeEpy wrote:On June 14 2012 08:01 madgoat33 wrote:
is anyone else just kinda sick of idra?
6 months ago if you asked me I woulda said his analysis is almost always correct, but now? He just comes off as an arrogant, biased guy scrambling for any excuse for his disappointing play.
That said, can't stop cheering for him. Thank you. Someone who is not blind. A lot of these players who have big names and are on big teams are ridiculous. They Lack the dedication and therefore the skills due to the amount of time they put into the game and then make excuses when they lose. The SC community just writes off their poor performances because they performed well in BW or in the early SCII days. It's pretty sad actually. I did not play much BW and sadly wasn't into the pro scene, but I was informed that KESPA teams really only allow the TOP NOTCH players to play. Although there are really awesome players other than players like Flash and Jaedong, they don't play because they aren't on the same level. The SCII community makes this ordeal ok for these players to do poorly in these tournaments because they are put on a pedestal. It's sad when they have all the tools necessary to be top notch players but don't utilize their resources (like the EG house) and then get out performed in tournaments. It's quite irritating actually. It's good to see though that some people are starting to recognize what is going on. Props! Also I'm not making this statement based solely on MLG / WCS. It's oblivious that some players were fatigued from so many games and little rest, but it's obnoxious when it's one excuse after the next for every tournament is what I'm trying to get at. Push them aside and watch the epic play and dedication that shines from the up and coming newcomers! You are a retard. No I'm just not blinded by being a fanboy as you clearly are The SC community don't write off poor performances. In case you didn't know, we actually call out players that are doing bad all the time (ie. incontrol, idra, jinro, etc). Can you please tell me how you know those players you mentioned aren't utilizing their resources? Do you have hidden cams at their houses? The problem I have with your post is that they are ridiculous generalizations based purely from your view of what the pros are doing and your view is pretty limited (non-existent).
You don't need cameras at their house. There is no such thing as "Skill". You work hard, it pays off. Simple as that. Any NA / EU player could be just as good as koreans by dedicating themselves. Koreans aren't better because they are more skilled, it's because they play "12 hours a day" like idra said in part of his blog, they communicate, they're open to constructive criticism and much more. I'm not bashing your lovely players, I'm being forward about what's going on. You practice hard, you will get results.
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On June 14 2012 08:50 sincerelysLeEpy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2012 08:47 SmokeMonster wrote:On June 14 2012 08:39 sincerelysLeEpy wrote:On June 14 2012 08:38 SmokeMonster wrote:On June 14 2012 08:31 sincerelysLeEpy wrote:On June 14 2012 08:01 madgoat33 wrote:
is anyone else just kinda sick of idra?
6 months ago if you asked me I woulda said his analysis is almost always correct, but now? He just comes off as an arrogant, biased guy scrambling for any excuse for his disappointing play.
That said, can't stop cheering for him. Thank you. Someone who is not blind. A lot of these players who have big names and are on big teams are ridiculous. They Lack the dedication and therefore the skills due to the amount of time they put into the game and then make excuses when they lose. The SC community just writes off their poor performances because they performed well in BW or in the early SCII days. It's pretty sad actually. I did not play much BW and sadly wasn't into the pro scene, but I was informed that KESPA teams really only allow the TOP NOTCH players to play. Although there are really awesome players other than players like Flash and Jaedong, they don't play because they aren't on the same level. The SCII community makes this ordeal ok for these players to do poorly in these tournaments because they are put on a pedestal. It's sad when they have all the tools necessary to be top notch players but don't utilize their resources (like the EG house) and then get out performed in tournaments. It's quite irritating actually. It's good to see though that some people are starting to recognize what is going on. Props! Also I'm not making this statement based solely on MLG / WCS. It's oblivious that some players were fatigued from so many games and little rest, but it's obnoxious when it's one excuse after the next for every tournament is what I'm trying to get at. Push them aside and watch the epic play and dedication that shines from the up and coming newcomers! You are a retard. No I'm just not blinded by being a fanboy as you clearly are The SC community don't write off poor performances. In case you didn't know, we actually call out players that are doing bad all the time (ie. incontrol, idra, jinro, etc). Can you please tell me how you know those players you mentioned aren't utilizing their resources? Do you have hidden cams at their houses? The problem I have with your post is that they are ridiculous generalizations based purely from your view of what the pros are doing and your view is pretty limited (non-existent). You don't need cameras at their house. There is no such thing as "Skill". You work hard, it pays off. Simple as that. Any NA / EU player could be just as good as koreans by dedicating themselves. Koreans aren't better because they are more skilled, it's because they play "12 hours a day" like idra said in part of his blog, they communicate, they're open to constructive criticism and much more. I'm not bashing your lovely players, I'm being forward about what's going on. You practice hard, you will get results.
And you know they are not working hard, how?
The 100019334543 koreans in code B, they don't work hard?
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If you want to talk more feel free to PM me. Don't want to step on your fanboy toes in front of everyone and cause a scene
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On June 14 2012 08:53 sincerelysLeEpy wrote:
If you want to talk more feel free to PM me. Don't want to step on your fanboy toes in front of everyone and cause a scene
I don't know why you keeping calling me fanboy. I am not defending anyone in particular. I'm just saying how ridiculous you sound.
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On June 14 2012 08:53 sincerelysLeEpy wrote:
If you want to talk more feel free to PM me. Don't want to step on your fanboy toes in front of everyone and cause a scene
troll/flame-baiter alert...
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IdrA. So funny. So candid. So smart. So handsome.
He really needs to get some sun and a tan if he's going to keep wearing wifebeaters, though.
/counter-troll
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On June 14 2012 09:03 Defacer wrote:
IdrA. So funny. So candid. So smart. So handsome.
He really needs to get some sun and a tan if he's going to keep wearing wifebeaters, though.
/counter-troll
I think we can all agree on this point.
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On June 14 2012 09:03 Defacer wrote:
IdrA. So funny. So candid. So smart. So handsome.
He really needs to get some sun and a tan if he's going to keep wearing wifebeaters, though.
/counter-troll
You just don't understand the appeal of pale skin.
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how about we all just shut the fuck up and let the gameplay decide who's a good player.
obviously its hard to do so when a tournament is so disorganized that a player gets a forfeit if they're called for an open bracket match while they're playing a WCS match and the admins dont know
anytime you have a competitive eSport of any kind, you need competition obv. the only way to make it a legitimate competition is to organize the tournament as to where all the players have to worry about it playing(to some extent). that's what they're here for. they play great games so that the fans will have something worthwhile to watch and its not worthwhile if all the players play like shit cause they're tired.
bottom line -- get your shit together tournament organizers.
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On June 14 2012 09:05 Xarow wrote:
how about we all just shut the fuck up and let the gameplay decide who's a good player.
obviously its hard to do so when a tournament is so disorganized that a player gets a forfeit if they're called for an open bracket match while they're playing a WCS match and the admins dont know
anytime you have a competitive eSport of any kind, you need competition obv. the only way to make it a legitimate competition is to organize the tournament as to where all the players have to worry about it playing(to some extent). that's what they're here for. they play great games so that the fans will have something worthwhile to watch and its not worthwhile if all the players play like shit cause they're tired.
bottom line -- get your shit together tournament organizers.
Heard that ^^
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