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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On June 14 2012 07:30 TheSwamp wrote: I'm fairly certain EG made Idra write this. But not because of poor results. That's obviously just a pseudo-clever way of saying Idra sucks. they did not, i wrote it on my own and wouldve posted it as a tl blog if eg hadnt wanted it on our site. | ||
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paschl
Germany666 Posts
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robopork
United States511 Posts
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sincerelysLeEpy
United States148 Posts
On June 14 2012 07:44 robopork wrote: As a fan I found it kind of disappointing. Open bracket and wcs stuff were damn hard to distinguish between even when you could get a good spot to watch those games that weren't on the main stage. It felt like Vibe vs Daisuki came out of nowhere. The weekend was incredible, but this was one of two things I think they really overlooked. If you actually watch streams and follow players like Vibe, you'd know that he's been playing quite a bit and has been playing mainly on KR server practicing his ass off | ||
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Kluey
Canada1197 Posts
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Labbetuss
Norway568 Posts
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
On June 14 2012 06:18 Witten wrote: IdrA with a negative opinion on something? SHOCKING!!! It's true, IdrA has a habit for being negative. He's been negative about Naniwa's behaviour, Huk's GSL finger-waving ceremony, the lack of early scouting options for Zerg, Ghosts being overpowered, the imbalance of the map pool during beta and shortly after launch, etc. He also has a habit for being right. IdrA hwaiting! | ||
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SilverStar
Sweden18511 Posts
On June 13 2012 13:10 IdrA wrote: schedule we were emailed said it begins 10 am saturday bitch at mlg. dont make angsty little posts in reply to my article. Like when EG Management acted pissy because ostojiyi got a free map win over puma? I didn't see you complain, although otterareneart posted on reddit that it wasn't eg culture. lol Here is the post: On June 11 2012 08:43 SilverStar wrote: That quote from ranged reminded me of something. So just for the record here is EG statement last time Ostojiyi got a 1 map walkover against puma: "I dont think EG, or any other proteam would willingly give up an advantage like that in such an important match." Sorry, but I just don't agree with this at all. It's just not true. The larger proteams, who have positive management relationships with each other, very rarely, if ever, force forfeits. If Scott from It's Gosu had been present at the event, I seriously doubt this would've happened. We have a great relationship with him and generally, management from different teams look out for each other. One thing we in the EG camp are wondering is, why did WBC wait until after the first map had already been forfeited to go and get Puma? Everyone knew that we were scrambling around, searching for him (because we legitimately didn't know where he'd gone), and then WBC went and found him right away. I think it's fair to ask if WBC knew where he was the entire time, or just happened to find him after the first map was forfeited. It's an unpleasant but fair question. and on the question "don't tell me that you wouldn't want your player take an advantage like that in such an important match." Seriously? We've never done this to an opposing team's player in an MLG. If anything, the more significant the match, the worse it is to force a forfeit. Like I've mentioned in other posts, large proteams very rarely, if ever, force forfeits. Consider your own team manager's dispute with Check-Six/ESEA in last season's finals. He was so upset because generally, everyone tries to avoid forfeits at all costs and puts forth a good faith effort to play. I don't think that following the tournament's rules to the letter of the book is mutually exclusive with behaving in an unsportsmanlike fashion. In certain situations, such as this one, they are one and the same. Especially since everyone (MLG admins, my management reps, other people on site) is confirming the same story: that you were basically looking at the clock counting down the seconds until you got a free map. Bottom line: if Scott had been at the event, he wouldn't have allowed you to do this. http://reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/rbmde/s_gosuostojiy_defeats_puma_21_to_advance_to_pool/c44jc1c http://reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/rbmde/s_gosuostojiy_defeats_puma_21_to_advance_to_pool/c44jhjl Good to see EG living up to their word. | ||
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madgoat33
United States14 Posts
6 months ago if you asked me I woulda said his analysis is almost always correct, but now? He just comes off as an arrogant, biased guy scrambling for any excuse for his disappointing play. That said, can't stop cheering for him. | ||
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Vei
United States2845 Posts
On June 14 2012 08:01 madgoat33 wrote: is anyone else just kinda sick of idra? 6 months ago if you asked me I woulda said his analysis is almost always correct, but now? He just comes off as an arrogant, biased guy scrambling for any excuse for his disappointing play. That said, can't stop cheering for him. i am growing a bit tired of his bad attitude in terms of gg'ing etc, because i think you need a humble mindset in order to practice/improve most efficiently, but nothing about this blog was uncalled for, arrogant, or biased. | ||
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LuckoftheIrish
United States4791 Posts
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madgoat33
United States14 Posts
On June 14 2012 08:02 Vei wrote: very rational blog, good stuff. all really undeniable points, especially the part about the emotional stress of knowing you MIGHT have to play, rather than knowing you DO have to play and DO have solid downtime inbetween games. i am growing a bit tired of his bad attitude in terms of gg'ing etc, because i think you need a humble mindset in order to practice/improve most efficiently, but nothing about this blog was uncalled for, arrogant, or biased. I don't think you need to have a humble attitude, just a rational, even attitude. | ||
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windsupernova
Mexico5280 Posts
However I agree that it should have been separate. People need to remember that Blizzard usually partners up with rxisting organizations so maybe MLG was the only one who stepped up and this is all they could do? E: Anyways, from all I have read all the problems seem to more organization related rather than the 2 tournaments being at the same time. I guess it could have been better if MLG had been more consistent with their schedule. | ||
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SilverStar
Sweden18511 Posts
On June 14 2012 08:03 LuckoftheIrish wrote: Are you serious right now? Because honestly it just looks like you're trying to play some weird game of gotcha, drawing false equivalences between two pretty different occurrences. That EG just accepted a forfeit without actually giving a damn about fairplay, competition and in the other case giving shit to a player who was actually looking for their player? Yup. | ||
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Falconblade
United States1035 Posts
On June 14 2012 05:49 crydee wrote: I don't have any sympathy. You train months for major LAN events, start including "dealing with stress" in that regiment if you need too. If this is what progamers have to deal with, it doesn't sound that bad compared to many other things they would be doing if not for an e-sports scene. The statements are so bloody stupid. I think IdrA could get more doing Theoretical Particle Physics in the long run (not just now in which he probably makes more) and have much more career stability if he wasn't doing SC and SCII. I hate how people say that people need to suck up the shitty conditions just because they are gaming for a living. It's still a job to them, and you wouldn't want to put up with shit for your job. I'm sure there are tons of people who would kill for their jobs, but those people probably make less and hate what they do. A fair few of these progamers are smart, and could be doing things they don't enjoy as much as gaming for a lot more and with a fair bit more career stability. Several of them have attended, or could attend pretty decent universities and get educations. They game because they still enjoy it, and get compensated in what they believe to equivalent to their sacrifice in stability and pay, and if they want to bitch about how terrible conditions are, they have a right to do so. This isn't dealing with stress so much as poor work conditions. No one wants to be forced to work ridiculous, overlapping shifts in a performance based job. And tournaments are exactly that, if you wanted to invite an investment of time and training as these tournaments do from their big name attendees... Then you shouldn't mismanage schedules and make it hard to compete to a good enough standard at both. People bullshit about how it's a privilege to compete at a tournament, and the fact that they have a chance at getting some of that prizepool is a favor bestowed upon the players. No, it's their right, as they are the ones bringing in viewers, and their playing is what allows a tournament to occur and viewers to be had and sponsors to be enticed by those viewers. Treat players right for god-sake, they're trying to do their job and being told that they have to run a doubleshift simultaneously. | ||
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windsupernova
Mexico5280 Posts
On June 13 2012 23:28 Yorbon wrote: "Blizzard advertised the opportunity to also participate in the MLG open bracket as encouragement for players to qualify for and attend the WCS finals. Players were in no way discouraged from playing both or told that playing both would lead to an unreasonable schedule or tournament conditions." I agree with the point made; if possible, the schedule should be reconsidered next time, but I also consider quoted part above to be a bit naïve. @post above me: Agree, it's blizzard's fault (almost) no one from NA performs. Lol, seriously? NA on generañ has never performed well at MLG. WCS or not. | ||
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Diavlo
Belgium2915 Posts
On June 14 2012 08:16 SilverStar wrote: That EG just accepted a forfeit without actually giving a damn about fairplay, competition and in the other case giving shit to a player who was actually looking for their player? Yup. We have no idea how things were handled or how many time passed before IdrA got the DQ but looking at the fact that two tournaments were running at the same time with both players still in it and the fact that Ranged though the game was 1 hour later than it actually was, i don't really think there is a case for bitching. Especially when you consider that the player involved just refused a walkover against ret in the NASL. On June 14 2012 08:20 windsupernova wrote: Lol, seriously? NA on generañ has never performed well at MLG. WCS or not. Except for the all "winning" 3 of them right? | ||
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windsupernova
Mexico5280 Posts
On June 14 2012 07:52 Defacer wrote: It's true, IdrA has a habit for being negative. He's been negative about Naniwa's behaviour, Huk's GSL finger-waving ceremony, the lack of early scouting options for Zerg, Ghosts being overpowered, the imbalance of the map pool during beta and shortly after launch, etc. He also has a habit for being right. IdrA hwaiting! Being negative about P being OP in BW Being negative of P being favoured in PvZ when P had a less than 50% winrate in the MU Blah blah blah. Being captain hindsight is not really a good argument. | ||
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Mr Showtime
United States1353 Posts
On June 14 2012 07:47 sincerelysLeEpy wrote: If you actually watch streams and follow players like Vibe, you'd know that he's been playing quite a bit and has been playing mainly on KR server practicing his ass off Vibe was impressive. But if you watched IdrA's series against Daisuki, you'd see how ugly it was. Never before has it been more apparent that someone (being IdrA) was completely exhausted during a series. | ||
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sincerelysLeEpy
United States148 Posts
On June 14 2012 08:01 madgoat33 wrote: is anyone else just kinda sick of idra? 6 months ago if you asked me I woulda said his analysis is almost always correct, but now? He just comes off as an arrogant, biased guy scrambling for any excuse for his disappointing play. That said, can't stop cheering for him. Thank you. Someone who is not blind. A lot of these players who have big names and are on big teams are ridiculous. They Lack the dedication and therefore the skills due to the amount of time they put into the game and then make excuses when they lose. The SC community just writes off their poor performances because they performed well in BW or in the early SCII days. It's pretty sad actually. I did not play much BW and sadly wasn't into the pro scene, but I was informed that KESPA teams really only allow the TOP NOTCH players to play. Although there are really awesome players other than players like Flash and Jaedong, they don't play because they aren't on the same level. The SCII community makes this ordeal ok for these players to do poorly in these tournaments because they are put on a pedestal. It's sad when they have all the tools necessary to be top notch players but don't utilize their resources (like the EG house) and then get out performed in tournaments. It's quite irritating actually. It's good to see though that some people are starting to recognize what is going on. Props! Also I'm not making this statement based solely on MLG / WCS. It's oblivious that some players were fatigued from so many games and little rest, but it's obnoxious when it's one excuse after the next for every tournament is what I'm trying to get at. Push them aside and watch the epic play and dedication that shines from the up and coming newcomers! | ||
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