EPTBut i agree with Idra and Sheth on this one. It's not about excuses to the loss more about the lack of information and the schedule mess.
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torm3ntin
Brazil2534 Posts
But i agree with Idra and Sheth on this one. It's not about excuses to the loss more about the lack of information and the schedule mess. | ||
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Emix_Squall
France705 Posts
WCS seemed to be a third world tournament like the Namibian Invitationnal. I didn't hear ANYTHING about it except, from the few information casters' of the MLG event would give us once in a while, and the one game I had the opportunity to see on the free stream. But more importantly, why does Blizzard doesn't support the NA pro gamers? Lately, there have been a lot of posts and messages complaining about how the Korean players were dominating the entire eSports scene and many people have been asking for special NA events for NA players to shine. And when one of these events finally comes, Blizzard butchers it, doesn't give it the coverage it should get and doesn't provide any support or decent conditions for the players. Don't know what they think of the NA scene but they really must not like it to give it so little attention .... | ||
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Yorbon
Netherlands4272 Posts
I agree with the point made; if possible, the schedule should be reconsidered next time, but I also consider quoted part above to be a bit naïve. @post above me: Agree, it's blizzard's fault (almost) no one from NA performs. | ||
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Technique
Netherlands1542 Posts
Of course it's gonna be hectic/long if you play 2 offline tournaments at the same time. | ||
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Fueled
United States1610 Posts
Glad to see more and more players speaking out about this. | ||
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revel8
United Kingdom3022 Posts
In addition to the points Idra makes about the fatigue and psychological issues, I also think that the WCS being held alongside MLG meant that it was too overshadowed. Sure MLG is bigger but a WCS national tournament for such significant prize money deserved it's own time in the spotlight. Various players had impressive results in the WCS and they deserve recognition and credit for this and yet because of MLG happening simultaneously they do not get the attention they deserve. Throw in the KESPA Invitational and the spotlight becomes even more fleeting. Due to both tournaments being played simultaneously, I think us viewers missed out, because many interesting matches were not streamed as the streams were already showing games. I know this is inevitable to a degree, but without the scheduling the viewers could have seen more of the WCS games and this would have been good for us viewers but also for those pro-gamers who don't really have the chance to get much attention. There is such a thing as oversaturation of SC2. I love watching SC2 tournaments. However big tournaments like MLG take days. Add in another big tournament like WCS and the KESPA Invitational and it was exhausting. And that was just as a viewer! There were too many games to watch and be fully invested emotionally, with all these competitions. And three different brackets (well actually many more if you include various losers brackets) to keep track of, in order to add context to the games you are seeing. The players need time to recover in between games and tournaments, but so does the audience! I like watching football matches, but I would never watch four complete matches in one day because I would need a break! I think having MLG + WCS + Kespa in such a short duration was too much. With better spacing each could have had more attention and this would have been good for each tournament and the players and the audience. That's just my personal opinion as a viewer. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
To show you how everybody reacted: JP brought this up in Sotg and IncontroL anwsered: You mean I can play more Starcraft? Roflnp. tldr: Everybody went full retard on this one. No need to blame anybody, just fix it for the future. | ||
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Sajiki
Germany522 Posts
"This past weekend MLG and the American finals for the WCS were both hosted at the same venue at the same time in Anaheim. I have never played multiple live tournaments over the course of one weekend like this, but I assumed going into the event that MLG and Blizzard were well aware of the potential scheduling difficulties and would be prepared to deal with them. Blizzard advertised the opportunity to also participate in the MLG open bracket as encouragement for players to qualify for and attend the WCS finals. Players were in no way discouraged from playing both or told that playing both would lead to an unreasonable schedule or tournament conditions." Le me: "wait a minute, idra comments on something to say that it was good? O.o" "As it turned out they were in no way prepared to handle the situation and it led to a terrible, nearly unplayable event for many of the players who participated in both tournaments." Le me: "aaah  "besides.. i dont know whether i should blame the players or the people who organized it. How can viewers (or hell, players) enjoy 2 big tournaments at the same time? im totally overstrained with 2 good games on blue and red stream, how am i then supposed to follow 2 BIG tournaments at once.. | ||
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Rulker
United States1477 Posts
On June 13 2012 23:51 Sajiki wrote: Le me: "wait a minute, idra comments on something to say that it was good? O.o" Le me: "aaah "besides.. i dont know whether i should blame the players or the people who organized it. How can viewers (or hell, players) enjoy 2 big tournaments at the same time? im totally overstrained with 2 good games on blue and red stream, how am i then supposed to follow 2 BIG tournaments at once.. + Show Spoiler + [image blocked] blame the organizers | ||
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Condor Hero
United States2931 Posts
On June 13 2012 23:50 Koshi wrote: Having to choose between 2 tournaments is horrible. But it should have been clear from the start that they should have. Blizzard/MLG advertised 2 events brainless, EG joined 2 tournaments brainless, and many other pro gamers did the same. To show you how everybody reacted: JP brought this up in Sotg and IncontroL anwsered: You mean I can play more Starcraft? Roflnp. tldr: Everybody went full retard on this one. No need to blame anybody, just fix it for the future. For teams like EG with a ton of sponsors, there really wasn't any choice. MLG is THE event in NA for them to represent sponsors and the WCS has the potential to give the title USA Champion, which is something missing since WCG so it's understandable why they wanted go to both. Also there is the chance of someone getting knocked out early and if you just sign up for one tournament then you feel like a moron. If I'm Incontrol I'm not thinking I'll be MLG champ if I focus on just MLG. I guess the mentality going in would be "well if I can play 75-80% of my optimal level in two tournaments then I'll have a better chance of getting decent results." Incontrol's always been like that. He's someone who would prefer signing up for 10 tournaments in a row rather than focusing on 2-3 so it's not unexpected he would react the way he did. | ||
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TheRealNanMan
United States1471 Posts
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zmansman17
United States2567 Posts
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snively
United States1159 Posts
On June 13 2012 11:43 fams wrote: 1. The players. The players need rest, they need to be at the top of their game in order to not only perform for themselves and their teams, but for the fans as well. Watching a burnt out IdrA is not the same as watching a rested IdrA. The same goes for any other player or athlete. i think this is the biggest issue here. playing in large tournaments takes a lot of stamina, and in a game like starcraft, where the smallest mistake can cost you the game, players need to be at their best to have the best games | ||
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Bippzy
United States1466 Posts
On June 13 2012 11:51 GreyKnight wrote: Yeah this is dumb. Blizzard of all people should know I mean, Blizzard's other choice is to not have the WCS qualifiers at the convenient convenient MLG tourney that weekend. PLus, they can advertise HOTS there too! I understand it's a problem, but it might be one of those problems that are solved by giving Idra a cup of coffee and telling him to buck up. Besides, and this is not a valid complaint, I want to see idra make a post where he's not complaining. As it just so happens, the only time he thinks it is worth posting is when he's complaining. | ||
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shell
Portugal2722 Posts
They did what hey had to do and won their games. It's not their fault other players participated in both tournaments. However i also believe they had and advantage by playing only one tournament. It's better if this situation don't happen again tho.. | ||
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thealexw87
United States47 Posts
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hifriend
China7935 Posts
If on the other hand I had watched Daisuke do this sick run in the brackets beating players like nony, state and idra, I'd be much more interested in watching the finals. | ||
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Kilby
Finland1069 Posts
On June 13 2012 13:17 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote: Life isn't fair. Welcome to the real world where everyone doesn't get the same opportunities. As for the bolded part, YES. Make a choice. You're an adult. This is of course all true but if the tournament organizers gave the impression that no problem, you can participate in both and we will schedule things accordingly then clearly things did go wrong. Of course, going in to the double tournament you will naturally anticipate it to be very demanding and tiring but if you are given the impression that the organizers will make sure the match organizing and scheduling is done right you can at least be sure that you will not need to be clueless about when your next match is and then wait hours without knowing if you would actually have a chance to eat or take a nap. So in this case I think the criticism was not as much on how difficult it was to play that many games overall but rather on how poorly it was organized and that is definitely a valid point and something that should be impoved on if these kinds of double events are going to be arranged in the future. | ||
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ROOTIllusion
United States1060 Posts
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Raven068
United States90 Posts
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