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On June 13 2012 14:06 rotegirte wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2012 13:41 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote:On June 13 2012 13:29 rotegirte wrote:On June 13 2012 13:25 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote:On June 13 2012 13:19 Dosey wrote:On June 13 2012 13:18 Whole wrote:
Wait, Mrvoodoochild, what about the part of where they don't have a choice. LiFe IsNt FaRe DoOd!!!111!! DeeL wIt iT Ignore the troll. I'm a troll because my opinion differs from yours? People on TL are fucking ridiculous. you are advocating the scheduling of mutliple tournaments on the same date as a general good idea? At what pt did I say it was a good idea to hold multiple events on one weekend? I said is that Idra doesn't have a right to complain when he went into this weekend knowing how brutal the open bracket of MLG was and still decided to participate in WCS. And what I suggested to solve the problem was to make a choice in what tournament he wanted to participate in so he didnt have to play long hours. People in this thread seem to just read what they want to read. you are acknowledging the fact that such scheduling is a legitimate issue, yet forbidding someone to voice it. you then propose players to choose from one or the other tournament as a solution, yet still think that multiple events on one weekend are a bad idea. how about the solution not to hold multiple events on the same weekend in the future? sounds pretty reasonable to me, at least. oh wait, that's exactly what greg wrote!
Yes, scheduling two events on the same weekend is a bad idea. If there are two tournaments on the same weekend, you should choose which event you want to participate in so you don't have to deal with the pressure of playing in two tournaments at the same time. This sounds unreasonable to you? I said he doesnt have a right to complain because he knew beforehand what he was getting himself into. He even says in the blog that he heard horror stories of people playing into the morning and yet he still decided to play in both tournaments. If you dont want to have the pressure of playing in two tournaments. Dont play in two tournaments. Why is this so hard to understand?
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On June 13 2012 14:13 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2012 14:06 rotegirte wrote:On June 13 2012 13:41 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote:On June 13 2012 13:29 rotegirte wrote:On June 13 2012 13:25 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote:On June 13 2012 13:19 Dosey wrote:On June 13 2012 13:18 Whole wrote:
Wait, Mrvoodoochild, what about the part of where they don't have a choice. LiFe IsNt FaRe DoOd!!!111!! DeeL wIt iT Ignore the troll. I'm a troll because my opinion differs from yours? People on TL are fucking ridiculous. you are advocating the scheduling of mutliple tournaments on the same date as a general good idea? At what pt did I say it was a good idea to hold multiple events on one weekend? I said is that Idra doesn't have a right to complain when he went into this weekend knowing how brutal the open bracket of MLG was and still decided to participate in WCS. And what I suggested to solve the problem was to make a choice in what tournament he wanted to participate in so he didnt have to play long hours. People in this thread seem to just read what they want to read. you are acknowledging the fact that such scheduling is a legitimate issue, yet forbidding someone to voice it. you then propose players to choose from one or the other tournament as a solution, yet still think that multiple events on one weekend are a bad idea. how about the solution not to hold multiple events on the same weekend in the future? sounds pretty reasonable to me, at least. oh wait, that's exactly what greg wrote! Yes, scheduling two events on the same weekend is a bad idea. If there are two tournaments on the same weekend, you should choose which event you want to participate in so you don't have to deal with the pressure of playing in two tournaments at the same time. This sounds unreasonable to you? I said he doesnt have a right to complain because he knew beforehand what he was getting himself into. He even says in the blog that he heard horror stories of people playing into the morning and yet he still decided to play in both tournaments. If you dont want to have the pressure of playing in two tournaments. Dont play in two tournaments. Why is this so hard to understand?
i'll break it down for you once more: when something is a problem, you are not allowed to complain about it?
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I could tell from the interview that it was pretty crazy. I mean Open Bracket MLG is already considered to be the most grueling bracket in SC2... and then to add another tournament as well? Seems silly.
I imagine the worst of it was if you were getting far in both tournaments (i.e. Idra and other good pros) you'd be basically playing twice the amount as the Open Bracket normally... terrible.
Tournaments: GOOD!
Simultaneous: BAD!
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On June 13 2012 14:13 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2012 14:06 rotegirte wrote:On June 13 2012 13:41 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote:On June 13 2012 13:29 rotegirte wrote:On June 13 2012 13:25 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote:On June 13 2012 13:19 Dosey wrote:On June 13 2012 13:18 Whole wrote:
Wait, Mrvoodoochild, what about the part of where they don't have a choice. LiFe IsNt FaRe DoOd!!!111!! DeeL wIt iT Ignore the troll. I'm a troll because my opinion differs from yours? People on TL are fucking ridiculous. you are advocating the scheduling of mutliple tournaments on the same date as a general good idea? At what pt did I say it was a good idea to hold multiple events on one weekend? I said is that Idra doesn't have a right to complain when he went into this weekend knowing how brutal the open bracket of MLG was and still decided to participate in WCS. And what I suggested to solve the problem was to make a choice in what tournament he wanted to participate in so he didnt have to play long hours. People in this thread seem to just read what they want to read. you are acknowledging the fact that such scheduling is a legitimate issue, yet forbidding someone to voice it. you then propose players to choose from one or the other tournament as a solution, yet still think that multiple events on one weekend are a bad idea. how about the solution not to hold multiple events on the same weekend in the future? sounds pretty reasonable to me, at least. oh wait, that's exactly what greg wrote! Yes, scheduling two events on the same weekend is a bad idea. If there are two tournaments on the same weekend, you should choose which event you want to participate in so you don't have to deal with the pressure of playing in two tournaments at the same time. This sounds unreasonable to you? I said he doesnt have a right to complain because he knew beforehand what he was getting himself into. He even says in the blog that he heard horror stories of people playing into the morning and yet he still decided to play in both tournaments. If you dont want to have the pressure of playing in two tournaments. Dont play in two tournaments. Why is this so hard to understand?
He's not complaining for the sake of complaining. He's complaining so people have a better understanding about how terrible the idea is.
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wouldn't have expected idra to do a write up. very interested indeed.
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On June 13 2012 14:18 rotegirte wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2012 14:13 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote:On June 13 2012 14:06 rotegirte wrote:On June 13 2012 13:41 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote:On June 13 2012 13:29 rotegirte wrote:On June 13 2012 13:25 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote:On June 13 2012 13:19 Dosey wrote:On June 13 2012 13:18 Whole wrote:
Wait, Mrvoodoochild, what about the part of where they don't have a choice. LiFe IsNt FaRe DoOd!!!111!! DeeL wIt iT Ignore the troll. I'm a troll because my opinion differs from yours? People on TL are fucking ridiculous. you are advocating the scheduling of mutliple tournaments on the same date as a general good idea? At what pt did I say it was a good idea to hold multiple events on one weekend? I said is that Idra doesn't have a right to complain when he went into this weekend knowing how brutal the open bracket of MLG was and still decided to participate in WCS. And what I suggested to solve the problem was to make a choice in what tournament he wanted to participate in so he didnt have to play long hours. People in this thread seem to just read what they want to read. you are acknowledging the fact that such scheduling is a legitimate issue, yet forbidding someone to voice it. you then propose players to choose from one or the other tournament as a solution, yet still think that multiple events on one weekend are a bad idea. how about the solution not to hold multiple events on the same weekend in the future? sounds pretty reasonable to me, at least. oh wait, that's exactly what greg wrote! Yes, scheduling two events on the same weekend is a bad idea. If there are two tournaments on the same weekend, you should choose which event you want to participate in so you don't have to deal with the pressure of playing in two tournaments at the same time. This sounds unreasonable to you? I said he doesnt have a right to complain because he knew beforehand what he was getting himself into. He even says in the blog that he heard horror stories of people playing into the morning and yet he still decided to play in both tournaments. If you dont want to have the pressure of playing in two tournaments. Dont play in two tournaments. Why is this so hard to understand? i'll break it down for you once more: when something is a problem, you are not allowed to complain about it?
Most of the problems he's complaining about wouldnt have happened if he didn't participate in two tournaments. He knew beforehand that playing in two tournaments was going to be hard and yet he still played both and decided to complain about it. Just seems dumb to me. The cup of coffee says "beware hot". I know that the cup of coffee is hot and yet I still drink the coffee before letting it cool down and I burn my tongue. Would it make sense to complain to the manager of the coffee shop because I burnt my tongue? Don't think so.
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The thing is, no North American players will finsih in the money at MLG raleigh anyway, so why waste time and money when they can bring it for a tourney they can win (although there is always an outside shot for HuK)
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On June 13 2012 14:30 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2012 14:18 rotegirte wrote:On June 13 2012 14:13 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote:On June 13 2012 14:06 rotegirte wrote:On June 13 2012 13:41 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote:On June 13 2012 13:29 rotegirte wrote:On June 13 2012 13:25 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote:On June 13 2012 13:19 Dosey wrote:On June 13 2012 13:18 Whole wrote:
Wait, Mrvoodoochild, what about the part of where they don't have a choice. LiFe IsNt FaRe DoOd!!!111!! DeeL wIt iT Ignore the troll. I'm a troll because my opinion differs from yours? People on TL are fucking ridiculous. you are advocating the scheduling of mutliple tournaments on the same date as a general good idea? At what pt did I say it was a good idea to hold multiple events on one weekend? I said is that Idra doesn't have a right to complain when he went into this weekend knowing how brutal the open bracket of MLG was and still decided to participate in WCS. And what I suggested to solve the problem was to make a choice in what tournament he wanted to participate in so he didnt have to play long hours. People in this thread seem to just read what they want to read. you are acknowledging the fact that such scheduling is a legitimate issue, yet forbidding someone to voice it. you then propose players to choose from one or the other tournament as a solution, yet still think that multiple events on one weekend are a bad idea. how about the solution not to hold multiple events on the same weekend in the future? sounds pretty reasonable to me, at least. oh wait, that's exactly what greg wrote! Yes, scheduling two events on the same weekend is a bad idea. If there are two tournaments on the same weekend, you should choose which event you want to participate in so you don't have to deal with the pressure of playing in two tournaments at the same time. This sounds unreasonable to you? I said he doesnt have a right to complain because he knew beforehand what he was getting himself into. He even says in the blog that he heard horror stories of people playing into the morning and yet he still decided to play in both tournaments. If you dont want to have the pressure of playing in two tournaments. Dont play in two tournaments. Why is this so hard to understand? i'll break it down for you once more: when something is a problem, you are not allowed to complain about it? Most of the problems he's complaining about wouldnt have happened if he didn't participate in two tournaments. He knew beforehand that playing in two tournaments was going to be hard and yet he still played both and decided to complain about it. Just seems dumb to me. The cup of coffee says "beware hot". I know that the cup of coffee is hot and yet I still drink the coffee before letting it cool down and I burn my tongue. Would it make sense to complain to the manager of the coffee shop because I burnt my tongue? Don't think so.
mlg and wcs arent really a choice. ones a massive international tournament run by blizzard that comes with the title "american champion" and the other is one of the major events of the premier non korean league.
its like hosting wimbeldon and the french open on the same weekend and telling players to choose which to play. except here theyre hosted in the same location, which makes it seem like you can play both. the intent of this article is to show why you cant, and that it is just as unreasonable as holding 2 unmissable tournaments at the same time in seperate locations.
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On June 13 2012 14:30 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2012 14:18 rotegirte wrote:On June 13 2012 14:13 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote:On June 13 2012 14:06 rotegirte wrote:On June 13 2012 13:41 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote:On June 13 2012 13:29 rotegirte wrote:On June 13 2012 13:25 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote:On June 13 2012 13:19 Dosey wrote:On June 13 2012 13:18 Whole wrote:
Wait, Mrvoodoochild, what about the part of where they don't have a choice. LiFe IsNt FaRe DoOd!!!111!! DeeL wIt iT Ignore the troll. I'm a troll because my opinion differs from yours? People on TL are fucking ridiculous. you are advocating the scheduling of mutliple tournaments on the same date as a general good idea? At what pt did I say it was a good idea to hold multiple events on one weekend? I said is that Idra doesn't have a right to complain when he went into this weekend knowing how brutal the open bracket of MLG was and still decided to participate in WCS. And what I suggested to solve the problem was to make a choice in what tournament he wanted to participate in so he didnt have to play long hours. People in this thread seem to just read what they want to read. you are acknowledging the fact that such scheduling is a legitimate issue, yet forbidding someone to voice it. you then propose players to choose from one or the other tournament as a solution, yet still think that multiple events on one weekend are a bad idea. how about the solution not to hold multiple events on the same weekend in the future? sounds pretty reasonable to me, at least. oh wait, that's exactly what greg wrote! Yes, scheduling two events on the same weekend is a bad idea. If there are two tournaments on the same weekend, you should choose which event you want to participate in so you don't have to deal with the pressure of playing in two tournaments at the same time. This sounds unreasonable to you? I said he doesnt have a right to complain because he knew beforehand what he was getting himself into. He even says in the blog that he heard horror stories of people playing into the morning and yet he still decided to play in both tournaments. If you dont want to have the pressure of playing in two tournaments. Dont play in two tournaments. Why is this so hard to understand? i'll break it down for you once more: when something is a problem, you are not allowed to complain about it? Most of the problems he's complaining about wouldnt have happened if he didn't participate in two tournaments. He knew beforehand that playing in two tournaments was going to be hard and yet he still played both and decided to complain about it. Just seems dumb to me. The cup of coffee says "beware hot". I know that the cup of coffee is hot and yet I still drink the coffee before letting it cool down and I burn my tongue. Would it make sense to complain to the manager of the coffee shop because I burnt my tongue? Don't think so.
Why are you arguing this so hard if you think 2 tournaments on the same day is bad? It's not like this is 2 separate tournaments on opposite sides of the country that happened to have conflicting schedules and people are complaining.
It was 2 tournaments on the same day and coordinated to work around each other. Why is that? Is it perhaps because they were hoping North American players that were competing in the MLG would also compete in the NA tournament? And that's the bad idea. What other reason can there possibly be except to double dip in the same player pool? If it was a matter of you need to choose one or the other, they'd just have conflicting play times or a tourney in another city. By design NA tourney was hoping the player would play in both and by design it was a bad idea.
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The points idra brought up are pretty valid. All you have to do is go back and look at how Sase looked at the end of just playing MLG. There would be no way he could have played both tournaments and given even close to his best performance.
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On June 13 2012 14:30 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2012 14:18 rotegirte wrote:On June 13 2012 14:13 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote:On June 13 2012 14:06 rotegirte wrote:On June 13 2012 13:41 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote:On June 13 2012 13:29 rotegirte wrote:On June 13 2012 13:25 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote:On June 13 2012 13:19 Dosey wrote:On June 13 2012 13:18 Whole wrote:
Wait, Mrvoodoochild, what about the part of where they don't have a choice. LiFe IsNt FaRe DoOd!!!111!! DeeL wIt iT Ignore the troll. I'm a troll because my opinion differs from yours? People on TL are fucking ridiculous. you are advocating the scheduling of mutliple tournaments on the same date as a general good idea? At what pt did I say it was a good idea to hold multiple events on one weekend? I said is that Idra doesn't have a right to complain when he went into this weekend knowing how brutal the open bracket of MLG was and still decided to participate in WCS. And what I suggested to solve the problem was to make a choice in what tournament he wanted to participate in so he didnt have to play long hours. People in this thread seem to just read what they want to read. you are acknowledging the fact that such scheduling is a legitimate issue, yet forbidding someone to voice it. you then propose players to choose from one or the other tournament as a solution, yet still think that multiple events on one weekend are a bad idea. how about the solution not to hold multiple events on the same weekend in the future? sounds pretty reasonable to me, at least. oh wait, that's exactly what greg wrote! Yes, scheduling two events on the same weekend is a bad idea. If there are two tournaments on the same weekend, you should choose which event you want to participate in so you don't have to deal with the pressure of playing in two tournaments at the same time. This sounds unreasonable to you? I said he doesnt have a right to complain because he knew beforehand what he was getting himself into. He even says in the blog that he heard horror stories of people playing into the morning and yet he still decided to play in both tournaments. If you dont want to have the pressure of playing in two tournaments. Dont play in two tournaments. Why is this so hard to understand? i'll break it down for you once more: when something is a problem, you are not allowed to complain about it? Most of the problems he's complaining about wouldnt have happened if he didn't participate in two tournaments. He knew beforehand that playing in two tournaments was going to be hard and yet he still played both and decided to complain about it. Just seems dumb to me. The cup of coffee says "beware hot". I know that the cup of coffee is hot and yet I still drink the coffee before letting it cool down and I burn my tongue. Would it make sense to complain to the manager of the coffee shop because I burnt my tongue? Don't think so.
I'm sure he knew how hectic it was going to be, but how can you say it's his fault that he has to play 12 hours with 5 hours sleep because MLG sucks at scheduling? It's not like he knew they were going to fuck up. When someone fuck up, they get talked about. That analogy sucks ass btw. In this case it would be more that the manager promised nicely tempered coffee, but then gives him scalding hot coffee that completely kills his mouth so he can't really use it properly for the next few days
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I think when two tournaments are happening on teh same day, shit is going to happen. Games will always run late and it is inevitable to run into schedule problems. I understand where idra is coming from. Yeah, it's bad to have two tournaments happening at once, but he doesn't have to join both of them. It's silly for any player to do that because he is actually jeorpordizing his own performance by having to play more games with little to no rest in between.
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Although I usually tend to disagree with IdrA, I think he is 100% right. It would be absurd in almost every other form of sporting event.
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I love how people preface their response with, "Usually I hate/disagree/loathe IdrA ... "
He's actually one of the more objective players the community has (when you ignore the BM during games).
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Idra had no problem with it during SOTG on the eve of the tournament, and he seemed to be expecting to win it. Well he did alright, losing to some smaller players but still placing well, and he completely bombed out of MLG (alongside the rest of his team, and TL for that matter).
I agree with his premise in some ways, but considering he was in the open bracket of MLG he had to practice against all races, whereas if he was in a pool he might have been able to focus entirely on one (or two) races. You could basically consider the MLG open bracket and WCS as one huge open bracket to be honest. It's not like he was playing against a bunch of amazing people.
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On June 13 2012 15:06 PhoenixDark wrote:
Idra had no problem with it during SOTG on the eve of the tournament, and he seemed to be expecting to win it. Well he did alright, losing to some smaller players but still placing well, and he completely bombed out of MLG (alongside the rest of his team, and TL for that matter).
I agree with his premise in some ways, but considering he was in the open bracket of MLG he had to practice against all races, whereas if he was in a pool he might have been able to focus entirely on one (or two) races. You could basically consider the MLG open bracket and WCS as one huge open bracket to be honest. It's not like he was playing against a bunch of amazing people.
I think IdrA made the gross assumption that MLG and Blizzard where actually coordinated, thoughtful, well-managed tournament organizers.
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On June 13 2012 11:53 darthfoley wrote:
Glad idra has the balls to speak up
He always was known for being shy about this sort of thing, true. :B
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I agree with his stance. It doesn't just suck for the players, it sucks for the viewers too. The WCS US Nationals took a major backseating to the main event that detracted giving exposure to the US players, which was the whole point of these WCS going around the world.
I still don't know who daisuki is.
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i actually agree with idra for once and while i dont think idra or incontrol had a shot in hell of any sort of good result at mlg they were both 2 of the better wcs players and it prolly costed them due to the unreasonable schedule just because blizzard was too cheap to host there own event
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Not surprising in the least, it was obvious from the beginning that trying to hold two events at once in the same venue was going to be a bad idea.
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