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On June 13 2012 13:12 Hnnngg wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2012 13:07 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote:On June 13 2012 12:56 walklightwhat wrote:On June 13 2012 12:50 thealexw87 wrote:
I'm sorry but it's your job! Your path that you chose! Yeah gosh six hours of sleep and oh no, 12 hour days of playing then waiting and then playing sounds so terrible. I know plenty of players out there who would die to be in your shoes, who are working just as hard. And if you really felt that overwhelmed, hey, back out of a tournament; as in, withdraw! And gosh, I think one weekend a month where you have a crazy three days of playing isn't so bad. This goes for Idra, Sheth and all those other pros complaning about dual tourneys. Just because you chose a job doesn't mean you lose the right to complain when a situation is handled poorly. Especially if it prevents you from doing the job to the best of your ability, in fact that's exactly when -any- worker should complain. Idra made the choice to play in two tournaments in one weekend, he has no right to complain about his performance issues. What did he honestly expect? he went into MLG already knowing that he was in the open bracket which is in itself a brutal run and still participated in WCS and he's surprised that he had to play such long hours. I have a solution. DONT PLAY IN TWO TOURNAMENTS AT ONE TIME. Simple as that. It's not like MLG or blizzard are forcing him to play in both at the same time. Show nested quote +On June 13 2012 12:55 Whole wrote:On June 13 2012 12:50 thealexw87 wrote:
I'm sorry but it's your job! Your path that you chose! Yeah gosh six hours of sleep and oh no, 12 hour days of playing then waiting and then playing sounds so terrible. I know plenty of players out there who would die to be in your shoes, who are working just as hard. And if you really felt that overwhelmed, hey, back out of a tournament; as in, withdraw! And gosh, I think one weekend a month where you have a crazy three days of playing isn't so bad. This goes for Idra, Sheth and all those other pros complaning about dual tourneys. IdrA has said in the past that his sponsors decide what tournaments he goes to mostly, not him. Wham bam.
LOL, EG doesn't practice slavery. Idra can decide whether or not he wants to participate in a tournament.
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On June 13 2012 13:07 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2012 12:56 walklightwhat wrote:On June 13 2012 12:50 thealexw87 wrote:
I'm sorry but it's your job! Your path that you chose! Yeah gosh six hours of sleep and oh no, 12 hour days of playing then waiting and then playing sounds so terrible. I know plenty of players out there who would die to be in your shoes, who are working just as hard. And if you really felt that overwhelmed, hey, back out of a tournament; as in, withdraw! And gosh, I think one weekend a month where you have a crazy three days of playing isn't so bad. This goes for Idra, Sheth and all those other pros complaning about dual tourneys. Just because you chose a job doesn't mean you lose the right to complain when a situation is handled poorly. Especially if it prevents you from doing the job to the best of your ability, in fact that's exactly when -any- worker should complain. Idra made the choice to play in two tournaments in one weekend, he has no right to complain about his performance issues. What did he honestly expect? he went into MLG already knowing that he was in the open bracket which is in itself a brutal run and still participated in WCS and he's surprised that he had to play such long hours. I have a solution. DONT PLAY IN TWO TOURNAMENTS AT ONE TIME. Simple as that. It's not like MLG or blizzard are forcing him to play in both at the same time.
sure, no one is forced to do anything, because only a gun held to your head counts as "forced". i guess it would be wise for tennis to hold all their tournaments on the same day also. this way, athletes would have the whole year to prepare. or mlg, dh, iem shouldn't even bother to avoid scheduling conflicts. right!
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The schedule was absurd for the players and needs to be fixed. Also the venue security needs to either be replaced or re-trained. If the venue is not competent enough to handle this, move to a different venue. This is MLG, not some seedy dance club with ignorant bouncers.
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Can only imagine how taxing and frustrating this event was for the pros in both tourneys. MLG alone is a painfully long but fun and rewarding tournament, let alone adding on another tourney.
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On June 13 2012 13:19 Pimpmuckl wrote:
Hahahaha i was like "Yea, sick run of SaSe look at the 12937089127398 Games he had to play."
And then i remembered there was ViBe destroying the WCS. And i remembered asking a friend why there was Vibe playing for first place and playing really bad (and winning..) but yea, this insane schedule makes everyone look bad.
Nice read IdrA atleast some guys speaking up.
Now just imagine if SaSe had to play in WCS as well O_O
No way he makes it that deep.
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On June 13 2012 13:19 Dosey wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2012 13:18 Whole wrote:
Wait, Mrvoodoochild, what about the part of where they don't have a choice. LiFe IsNt FaRe DoOd!!!111!! DeeL wIt iT Ignore the troll.
I'm a troll because my opinion differs from yours? People on TL are fucking ridiculous.
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On June 13 2012 13:25 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote:
People on TL are fucking ridiculous.
I know dude, especially guys like Mrvoodoochild1, and definitely all those fine hardworking mods.
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On June 13 2012 13:25 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2012 13:19 Dosey wrote:On June 13 2012 13:18 Whole wrote:
Wait, Mrvoodoochild, what about the part of where they don't have a choice. LiFe IsNt FaRe DoOd!!!111!! DeeL wIt iT Ignore the troll. I'm a troll because my opinion differs from yours? People on TL are fucking ridiculous.
you are advocating the scheduling of mutliple tournaments on the same date as a general good idea?
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On June 13 2012 13:29 rotegirte wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2012 13:25 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote:On June 13 2012 13:19 Dosey wrote:On June 13 2012 13:18 Whole wrote:
Wait, Mrvoodoochild, what about the part of where they don't have a choice. LiFe IsNt FaRe DoOd!!!111!! DeeL wIt iT Ignore the troll. I'm a troll because my opinion differs from yours? People on TL are fucking ridiculous. you are advocating the scheduling of mutliple tournaments on the same date as a general good idea?
he's pretty much saying it's fine if we hold GSL, IEM, DH, MLG, HSC, IPL, and TSL on the same day since players have the right to choose which tournament to attend...LOL
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On June 13 2012 13:25 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2012 13:19 Dosey wrote:On June 13 2012 13:18 Whole wrote:
Wait, Mrvoodoochild, what about the part of where they don't have a choice. LiFe IsNt FaRe DoOd!!!111!! DeeL wIt iT Ignore the troll. I'm a troll because my opinion differs from yours? People on TL are fucking ridiculous.
You're a troll because you have no valid argument and have repeated yourself in 5 different posts with:
"Life isn't fair, deal with it!"
How is that relevant to the issue? Of course life isn't fair, but tournaments should be. Everyone should have an equal opportunity to perform their best in each tournament regardless of their nationality. Just because life isn't fair, and this situation isn't fair to Americans, does not mean that this is an issue that should be ignored simply for that reason.
Now go troll elsewhere.
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On June 13 2012 13:17 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2012 13:11 Dosey wrote:On June 13 2012 13:07 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote:On June 13 2012 12:56 walklightwhat wrote:On June 13 2012 12:50 thealexw87 wrote:
I'm sorry but it's your job! Your path that you chose! Yeah gosh six hours of sleep and oh no, 12 hour days of playing then waiting and then playing sounds so terrible. I know plenty of players out there who would die to be in your shoes, who are working just as hard. And if you really felt that overwhelmed, hey, back out of a tournament; as in, withdraw! And gosh, I think one weekend a month where you have a crazy three days of playing isn't so bad. This goes for Idra, Sheth and all those other pros complaning about dual tourneys. Just because you chose a job doesn't mean you lose the right to complain when a situation is handled poorly. Especially if it prevents you from doing the job to the best of your ability, in fact that's exactly when -any- worker should complain. Idra made the choice to play in two tournaments in one weekend, he has no right to complain about his performance issues. What did he honestly expect? he went into MLG already knowing that he was in the open bracket which is in itself a brutal run and still participated in WCS and he's surprised that he had to play such long hours. I have a solution. DONT PLAY IN TWO TOURNAMENTS AT ONE TIME. Simple as that. It's not like MLG or blizzard are forcing him to play in both at the same time. The problem here is that everyone else has gotten a chance to play their own WCS without this issue. And now suddenly Americans are punished simply because it is convenient for the organizers. So they are faced with a very difficult decision. Do they give up on MLG, where placing and playing in their tournaments play a major role in seeding? Do they give up on WCS, because they would prefer to get that seed in MLG? Or do they try their hand at both and suffer through because both are equally important to their careers? Life isn't fair. Welcome to the real world where everyone doesn't get the same opportunities. As for the bolded part, YES. Make a choice. You're an adult.
Honestly, this is the most backwards shit I have read in a long time.
When it's only LOGICAL and REASONABLE to bring up an issue, why wouldn't you?
Yes, let's all sit back and take things as they come. Because we're lazy people and we don't believe in improving the world around us.
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On June 13 2012 12:50 thealexw87 wrote:
I'm sorry but it's your job! Your path that you chose! Yeah gosh six hours of sleep and oh no, 12 hour days of playing then waiting and then playing sounds so terrible. I know plenty of players out there who would die to be in your shoes, who are working just as hard. And if you really felt that overwhelmed, hey, back out of a tournament; as in, withdraw! And gosh, I think one weekend a month where you have a crazy three days of playing isn't so bad. This goes for Idra, Sheth and all those other pros complaning about dual tourneys.
This is of course easy to write from the comfort of your own home. Point is, whether you think they need to suck it up or not, it does affect the games, and thus affects the enjoyment *we* get from them. People need to think less about "feel sorry for the sad players" and more about "be pissed that you're not getting the best matches you can get because people can't run a tourney properly".
Idra even said it, it's not about the amount of matches, it's about the uncertainty of when/where/who you're playing that's the issue. I think that's perfectly valid. If it affects how good the games are, we should be storming MLG/Blizz with pitchforks. Why should we as fans put up with that?
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In theory, I do agree with what has been said. Tournaments should be organized with players in mind, they aren't just machines that can keep on playing.
In practice, I might be a bit harsh, but I feel that this sounds a lot like whining. Why? Simple : there wasn't a single american player that was seeded in pool play. Not a single american player reached the 16th place (i.e ; the last spot where you earn money). I still recognize that one player managed to reach the end of the loser bracket (with 2 others failing just at that moment) But all in all, it was expected that no american player would fare really well. I'm not even a lone voice saying it, it was in the Power Rank
#39: Liquid`Sheth
Congrats Sheth! You're the best American Zerg!
Now if only that meant something. Give us a sec, we need to go cry in a corner.
In an (unfair) comparison, it's like saying that it's unjust that the chess world championship is hosted at the same time as the town local's junior tournament. Damn, one of these kids might do well in the world championship! We should organize both tournaments having this in mind! Or we could be pragmatic...
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On June 13 2012 13:30 Whatson wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2012 13:29 rotegirte wrote:On June 13 2012 13:25 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote:On June 13 2012 13:19 Dosey wrote:On June 13 2012 13:18 Whole wrote:
Wait, Mrvoodoochild, what about the part of where they don't have a choice. LiFe IsNt FaRe DoOd!!!111!! DeeL wIt iT Ignore the troll. I'm a troll because my opinion differs from yours? People on TL are fucking ridiculous. you are advocating the scheduling of mutliple tournaments on the same date as a general good idea? he's pretty much saying it's fine if we hold GSL, IEM, DH, MLG, HSC, IPL, and TSL on the same day since players have the right to choose which tournament to attend...LOL
Imagine if any other "organized activity" did this (don't want to start the sports vs. esports debate again)? Golf has 6 majors on the same weekend, all on the same course. You'd have sixty golfers playing for 72 hours straight. Or tennis? It's something you'd do for fun, not something you'd do with real tournaments.
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On June 13 2012 13:29 rotegirte wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2012 13:25 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote:On June 13 2012 13:19 Dosey wrote:On June 13 2012 13:18 Whole wrote:
Wait, Mrvoodoochild, what about the part of where they don't have a choice. LiFe IsNt FaRe DoOd!!!111!! DeeL wIt iT Ignore the troll. I'm a troll because my opinion differs from yours? People on TL are fucking ridiculous. you are advocating the scheduling of mutliple tournaments on the same date as a general good idea?
At what pt did I say it was a good idea to hold multiple events on one weekend? I said is that Idra doesn't have a right to complain when he went into this weekend knowing how brutal the open bracket of MLG was and still decided to participate in WCS. And what I suggested to solve the problem was to make a choice in what tournament he wanted to participate in so he didnt have to play long hours. People in this thread seem to just read what they want to read.
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the organizer may consider the fact that none of the WCS players have a decent chance in the open bracket, so that schedule would be less dependent on MLG
if it's because of the lack of computers at the venue then I have nothing to say :p
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On June 13 2012 13:25 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2012 13:19 Dosey wrote:On June 13 2012 13:18 Whole wrote:
Wait, Mrvoodoochild, what about the part of where they don't have a choice. LiFe IsNt FaRe DoOd!!!111!! DeeL wIt iT Ignore the troll. I'm a troll because my opinion differs from yours? People on TL are fucking ridiculous.
What does TL has to do with your argument? And yes your point is so absurd it sounds trollish in the least. You don't get to take one's right to complain about something he can't fully control, put yourself in a progamer place for a secondm, think about the stress of not knowing who you'll play, when you'll play and if you'll play in the scheduled time, exactly because it's his job to do this it becomes that much more stressful.
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On June 13 2012 13:41 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2012 13:29 rotegirte wrote:On June 13 2012 13:25 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote:On June 13 2012 13:19 Dosey wrote:On June 13 2012 13:18 Whole wrote:
Wait, Mrvoodoochild, what about the part of where they don't have a choice. LiFe IsNt FaRe DoOd!!!111!! DeeL wIt iT Ignore the troll. I'm a troll because my opinion differs from yours? People on TL are fucking ridiculous. you are advocating the scheduling of mutliple tournaments on the same date as a general good idea? At what pt did I say it was a good idea to hold multiple events on one weekend? I said is that Idra doesn't have a right to complain when he went into this weekend knowing how brutal the open bracket of MLG was and still decided to participate in WCS. And what I suggested to solve the problem was to make a choice in what tournament he wanted to participate in so he didnt have to play long hours. People in this thread seem to just read what they want to read.
I can't imagine that choosing between tournaments is an easy thing for a pro-gamer, who would like to attend as many tourneys as possible.
I think they should have held the WCS on a friday or something, or a long-weekend (if you have those in the US)  Giving time for players to perform at their peak and provide the best game play.
No one would want to watch overworked/burnt out players on the court in NBA, same goes for e-sports.
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I agree with you that Idra should have forfeited one for the other if he felt it was making a detrimental impact on his performance. But I'm talking about a middle-of-the-road approach where some concession is made from organizers for the players. It's in everyone's best interest.
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On June 13 2012 13:56 plogamer wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2012 13:41 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote:On June 13 2012 13:29 rotegirte wrote:On June 13 2012 13:25 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote:On June 13 2012 13:19 Dosey wrote:On June 13 2012 13:18 Whole wrote:
Wait, Mrvoodoochild, what about the part of where they don't have a choice. LiFe IsNt FaRe DoOd!!!111!! DeeL wIt iT Ignore the troll. I'm a troll because my opinion differs from yours? People on TL are fucking ridiculous. you are advocating the scheduling of mutliple tournaments on the same date as a general good idea? At what pt did I say it was a good idea to hold multiple events on one weekend? I said is that Idra doesn't have a right to complain when he went into this weekend knowing how brutal the open bracket of MLG was and still decided to participate in WCS. And what I suggested to solve the problem was to make a choice in what tournament he wanted to participate in so he didnt have to play long hours. People in this thread seem to just read what they want to read. I can't imagine that choosing between tournaments is an easy thing for a pro-gamer, who would like to attend as many tourneys as possible. I think they should have held the WCS on a friday or something, or a long-weekend (if you have those in the US) Giving time for players to perform at their peak and provide the best game play. No one would want to watch overworked/burnt out players on the court in NBA, same goes for e-sports. /edit I agree with you that Idra should have forfeited one for the other if he felt it was making a detrimental impact on his performance. But I'm talking about a middle-of-the-road approach where some concession is made from organizers for the players. It's in everyone's best interest.
I think one of the points that IdrA was trying to make was that Blizzard and MLG thought piggybacking the two tournaments together would increase player participation, and be appreciated by players and teams, because they shared a timeframe and location.
Two tournaments, one trip, easy peasy, right? It's a nice thought, but in actual practice it turned the tournaments into one big clusterfuck.
At least that's what I think he's getting at -- with less swearing.
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On June 13 2012 13:41 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2012 13:29 rotegirte wrote:On June 13 2012 13:25 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote:On June 13 2012 13:19 Dosey wrote:On June 13 2012 13:18 Whole wrote:
Wait, Mrvoodoochild, what about the part of where they don't have a choice. LiFe IsNt FaRe DoOd!!!111!! DeeL wIt iT Ignore the troll. I'm a troll because my opinion differs from yours? People on TL are fucking ridiculous. you are advocating the scheduling of mutliple tournaments on the same date as a general good idea? At what pt did I say it was a good idea to hold multiple events on one weekend? I said is that Idra doesn't have a right to complain when he went into this weekend knowing how brutal the open bracket of MLG was and still decided to participate in WCS. And what I suggested to solve the problem was to make a choice in what tournament he wanted to participate in so he didnt have to play long hours. People in this thread seem to just read what they want to read.
you are acknowledging the fact that such scheduling is a legitimate issue, yet forbidding someone to voice it. you then propose players to choose from one or the other tournament as a solution, yet still think that multiple events on one weekend are a bad idea. how about the solution not to hold multiple events on the same weekend in the future? sounds pretty reasonable to me, at least. oh wait, that's exactly what greg wrote!
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