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yoshi_yoshi
Profile Joined January 2010
United States440 Posts
June 13 2012 07:13 GMT
#101
Good article and very valid, actually it is very important to voice these concerns because the current plan is to hold the WCS North American championship and MLG Summer at the same time as well:

8/24-8/26:
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2012_Battle.net_North_American_Championship

8/24-8/26 (MLG pro circuit summer championship):
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/MLG

Unlikely that they can change any dates now, but definitely they should focus on making the 2 events coincide more smoothly.
ThePlayer33
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia2378 Posts
June 13 2012 07:13 GMT
#102
its a good voice for players concerns, yes idra chose to play in both tournies.. and yes he chose to term with his sponsors...

what the hell is wrong with articulating issues for better of players and casters and viewers?
| Idra | YuGiOh | Leenock | Coca |
shucklesors
Profile Joined May 2010
Singapore1176 Posts
June 13 2012 07:52 GMT
#103
Reminds me of what Stork did recently. Glad to see progamers stepping up and speaking out.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
June 13 2012 08:05 GMT
#104
Yeah to top it off if you looked at the people who are qualified for WCS... lol
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Synche
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1345 Posts
June 13 2012 08:05 GMT
#105
I think the obvious thing is you book the venue for another day before, get everything set up early, and run WCS that extra day.

There will still be some overlap, but the amount of games you're playing over a 3 day period is now a 4 day period, it should take a lot of the marathon nature out of it.

Unfortunately this probably won't change, I don't have much faith in Blizzard, although MLG does listen to the community, it would be nice to see if we can get through to them.
BraneSC2
Profile Joined May 2010
United States123 Posts
June 13 2012 08:09 GMT
#106
This makes sense. It would be unimaginable to see someone do well in both tournaments. Not only would the scheduling be awful but it would drain the stamina very fast.
No fighting in the war room!
mememolly
Profile Joined December 2011
4765 Posts
June 13 2012 08:14 GMT
#107
On June 13 2012 14:32 TommyP wrote:
The thing is, no North American players will finsih in the money at MLG raleigh anyway, so why waste time and money when they can bring it for a tourney they can win (although there is always an outside shot for HuK)


true, unless you are showing previous results that you can compete at MLG level then there is no point in entering when you could play in an NA tourney
Integra
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden5626 Posts
June 13 2012 09:30 GMT
#108
If nothing else it drastically lowers the quality of the games being played so it's just awful no matter how you look at this.
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MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
June 13 2012 13:23 GMT
#109
I feel like I should do a Captain Hindsight picture:
If you play 2 tournaments at the same time...
You're gonna have a big problem
or something along those lines.
VERY FRAGILE, LIKE A BABY PANDA EGG
rotegirte
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany2859 Posts
June 13 2012 13:29 GMT
#110
On June 13 2012 14:30 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2012 14:18 rotegirte wrote:
On June 13 2012 14:13 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote:
On June 13 2012 14:06 rotegirte wrote:
On June 13 2012 13:41 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote:
On June 13 2012 13:29 rotegirte wrote:
On June 13 2012 13:25 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote:
On June 13 2012 13:19 Dosey wrote:
On June 13 2012 13:18 Whole wrote:
Wait, Mrvoodoochild, what about the part of where they don't have a choice.

LiFe IsNt FaRe DoOd!!!111!! DeeL wIt iT

Ignore the troll.

I'm a troll because my opinion differs from yours? People on TL are fucking ridiculous.


you are advocating the scheduling of mutliple tournaments on the same date as a general good idea?

At what pt did I say it was a good idea to hold multiple events on one weekend? I said is that Idra doesn't have a right to complain when he went into this weekend knowing how brutal the open bracket of MLG was and still decided to participate in WCS. And what I suggested to solve the problem was to make a choice in what tournament he wanted to participate in so he didnt have to play long hours. People in this thread seem to just read what they want to read.


you are acknowledging the fact that such scheduling is a legitimate issue, yet forbidding someone to voice it. you then propose players to choose from one or the other tournament as a solution, yet still think that multiple events on one weekend are a bad idea. how about the solution not to hold multiple events on the same weekend in the future? sounds pretty reasonable to me, at least. oh wait, that's exactly what greg wrote!

Yes, scheduling two events on the same weekend is a bad idea. If there are two tournaments on the same weekend, you should choose which event you want to participate in so you don't have to deal with the pressure of playing in two tournaments at the same time. This sounds unreasonable to you? I said he doesnt have a right to complain because he knew beforehand what he was getting himself into. He even says in the blog that he heard horror stories of people playing into the morning and yet he still decided to play in both tournaments. If you dont want to have the pressure of playing in two tournaments. Dont play in two tournaments. Why is this so hard to understand?


i'll break it down for you once more: when something is a problem, you are not allowed to complain about it?

Most of the problems he's complaining about wouldnt have happened if he didn't participate in two tournaments. He knew beforehand that playing in two tournaments was going to be hard and yet he still played both and decided to complain about it. Just seems dumb to me. The cup of coffee says "beware hot". I know that the cup of coffee is hot and yet I still drink the coffee before letting it cool down and I burn my tongue. Would it make sense to complain to the manager of the coffee shop because I burnt my tongue? Don't think so.


Most of the problems would have never occurred if these tournaments were not held at the same weekend. When you are admitting it's a problem, then you can't possibly put the responsibility in the players' hands. Greg is not arguing that he made a bad choice. He does not demand to go back in time and give him a second chance on the games. Greg is arguing that players should have not been forced into such a decision, and that a future change should avoid this situation. If you are disagreeing with him, means players should be constantly put into such a situation. But you already stated it's a bad thing, no?

When all of us, you, Greg, me and virtually everybody else agree that it's a bad thing and should be changed- I really don't see anything to argue about.

StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
June 13 2012 13:33 GMT
#111
Everyone knew there would be logistic issues with this. We've seen how MLG has run events in the past. Anyway, water under the bridge. Anything else is just an excuse for poor performance.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
June 13 2012 13:33 GMT
#112
You shouldn't be putting a player in a position where he has to choose one or the other tournament.
It's no different than if he had to choose to play DreamHack or MLG. You're diminishing competition and the chance of success for a player.

To have him play both or choose one or the other is just silly.
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
sharky246
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
1197 Posts
June 13 2012 13:34 GMT
#113
you guys complaining about the venue clash, do know that blizzard or mlg (or both) are doing it to cut expenses right?
On January 03 2011 13:14 IdrA wrote: being high on the ladder doesnt get you any closer to your goal. Avoiding practice to protect your rating is absurd. If you want to be good go play 40 games a day and stop thinking about becoming a pro.
Ancient-Hunter
Profile Joined June 2011
Korea (South)142 Posts
June 13 2012 13:36 GMT
#114
Blizzard needs to step up and introduce some kind of coordinating body to the pro SC scene.

its just getting so big now that these problems are bound to continue if something isnt done.
Let's fly!
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
June 13 2012 13:37 GMT
#115
On June 13 2012 22:34 sharky246 wrote:
you guys complaining about the venue clash, do know that blizzard or mlg (or both) are doing it to cut expenses right?


Of course.
Pinski
Profile Joined September 2010
United States126 Posts
June 13 2012 13:42 GMT
#116
On June 13 2012 12:38 JazzJackrabbit wrote:
Next up, NASL finals and WCS Canada finals in the same weekend/venue!


Good thing NASL isn't open to everyone. Not to mention, there are only 16 people who make it to the NASL Finals, so at most only 3 people will have to deal with this, not to mention there aren't that many NASL games that are played for each player either. So it should work out a lot better than a MLG + WCS.

The real problem will be WCS NA, which is being held at MLG Raleigh. Yeah, that's going to be just as bad as this one.
huStl.e
Profile Joined March 2012
United Kingdom104 Posts
June 13 2012 13:44 GMT
#117
On June 13 2012 11:56 fortheGG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2012 11:51 Whatson wrote:
Normally I'd be inclined to say something like "IdrA, quit complaining, etc." but it was pretty painful watching some of the later MLG games who had just finished WCS games, and Sheth's blog also commented a lot on the difficulty of playing dual tourneys at once, and not knowing when the next match would be played, or who was the opponent.


I don't really see how it wasn't obvious that it would be hard to play both, especially when people like Nony skipped MLG to concentrate on the Blizzard tourney. Also we have players like Sase that had to play an enormous amount of games, so I can't say I feel sorry for them.



I dont think its unreasonable for players to be pissed that both they're tournament chances suffered. They have to make money often based on appearing at these events. To be honest if i was a pro player i would have felt i had to take both tournaments because both are of equal importance and given that they were in the same literally the same place you'd think and company that runs the biggest MMO in history and a company that basically runs the foreigner GSL would be smart enough to make sure both tournaments didn't overlap.


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hifriend
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
China7935 Posts
June 13 2012 13:58 GMT
#118
iNcontroL heard his next MLG match being announced as he was playing the game that knocked him out of WCS.

oh wow T_T
Resonance
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada113 Posts
June 13 2012 14:11 GMT
#119
On June 13 2012 12:03 Sub40APM wrote:
Seems like a fair criticism. But on the state of the game right before this tournament Idra was excited about the qualifiers because he thought the quality of opponents was crap while the reward for winning the tournament was quite rich. Seems like he either severely underestimated how tired he would be or simply chose to try to win as much money as possible in the same weekend and ended up under performing in the easiest tournament while more or less performing as expected as the MLG.


Th criticism is more than fair and probably well deserved. IdrA went in feeling that the brackets would be easy given the people attending, but he didn't consider that the administration would have no clue what is going on. He mentions in the post that he could not get the appropriate rest he needed because he was constantly in wait to find out who his next opponent would be.

Maybe if the planning had gone a little smoother, then many problems would be eliminated, but even that is uncertain. I'm hoping that Blizzard opts to move their NA event at a different time, so we can see higher quality matches.
I play protoss because it's imbalanced. :D
Al Bundy
Profile Joined April 2010
7257 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-13 14:14:38
June 13 2012 14:14 GMT
#120
MLG, Blizzard, you dropped the ball and you know it. How come foreign tournaments always seem to have these weird shitty formats? Talk about legit competition...
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