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treekiller
Profile Joined July 2010
United States236 Posts
June 14 2012 21:51 GMT
#241
Im shocked that IdrA is whining, he hardly ever complains.

If Adam is right, the last game played was 1:32 AM local time, thats fine. What gamer hasn't played that late? MLG gave people the option to play both. Should they have banned playing in both, like when Democrats cant vote in Republican primaries?
All good things must come to an end. Therefore, SC2 will last forever
MLG_Adam
Profile Joined July 2010
United States994 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-14 21:56:24
June 14 2012 21:56 GMT
#242
On June 15 2012 06:51 treekiller wrote:
Im shocked that IdrA is whining, he hardly ever complains.

If Adam is right, the last game played was 1:32 AM local time, thats fine. What gamer hasn't played that late? MLG gave people the option to play both. Should they have banned playing in both, like when Democrats cant vote in Republican primaries?



Just to be clear, I don't think Greg is whining. Greg is probably the most mannerly player when it comes to dealing with our staff. When we looked at our replay tracker, Greg played in 5 hours and 40 minutes of games over the weekend. DRG for comparison played in just under 5 hours of total game time. The weekend WAS HARD, especially for Friday for those doing both tournaments.
Twitter: MrAdamAp
Hardigan
Profile Joined June 2011
Switzerland1297 Posts
June 14 2012 21:56 GMT
#243
Isn't there a WCS for other countries too? Wouldn't it be unfait, that only the US would have to choose between WCS and mlg (both very important tournaments and unmissable), while other countries doesn't?
Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-14 22:01:16
June 14 2012 22:01 GMT
#244
On June 15 2012 06:22 revel8 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2012 05:49 Egomancer wrote:
Lol, I see a bunch of people cheering for the winner, except idra that looks kinda sad, don't you think?

But maybe I am wrong...

Egomancer


Idra wanted Alicia to beat DRG. That is clear.


Are we really going to interpret what the back of IdrA's head is trying to tell us?

LOL.

dragoon
Profile Joined December 2010
United States695 Posts
June 14 2012 22:07 GMT
#245
On June 15 2012 07:01 Defacer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2012 06:22 revel8 wrote:
On June 15 2012 05:49 Egomancer wrote:
Lol, I see a bunch of people cheering for the winner, except idra that looks kinda sad, don't you think?

But maybe I am wrong...

Egomancer


Idra wanted Alicia to beat DRG. That is clear.


Are we really going to interpret what the back of IdrA's head is trying to tell us?

LOL.


i think he tweeted "alicia hwaiting~" or something to that effect when he beat MKP so i feel confident thats why he wasnt standing
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Disposition1989
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada270 Posts
June 14 2012 22:08 GMT
#246
On June 15 2012 06:51 treekiller wrote:
Im shocked that IdrA is whining, he hardly ever complains.

If Adam is right, the last game played was 1:32 AM local time, thats fine. What gamer hasn't played that late? MLG gave people the option to play both. Should they have banned playing in both, like when Democrats cant vote in Republican primaries?


what if you got there at 10am? how would you feel about being at a convention center for 15 hours straight? regardless of how much of that time was playing tournament matches, theres still warm up games, signings, interviews, walking around, talking, flexing, etc etc etc. its not like youre sitting in a throne of pillows all day. hopefully the two tourneys can be split up somehow. it looks like for the most part, people bombed one tourney completely
zeratul_jf
Profile Joined October 2011
United States808 Posts
June 14 2012 22:20 GMT
#247
On June 15 2012 06:56 Hardigan wrote:
Isn't there a WCS for other countries too? Wouldn't it be unfait, that only the US would have to choose between WCS and mlg (both very important tournaments and unmissable), while other countries doesn't?



This sums it up pretty well. Why do US players have to choose between their tourneys when everyone else gets to play theirs at different times. Seems rather unfair don't you think?
Scheme
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United Kingdom210 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-14 22:37:13
June 14 2012 22:35 GMT
#248
On June 15 2012 06:50 SnuggleZhenya wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2012 21:22 Scheme wrote:
There are plenty of cases in other sports


Name some in professional sports.


Football....like I mentioned on the next post. In fact some pretty big competitions run at the same time in Brazil. Except that they have the advantage of playing with a B-team.
In tennis you will have different Opens(not the grand slams) that run at the same time and player need to choose.
Judo will have tournaments that run at the same time.
And obviously starcraft 2, as Nony and other examples made the choice.

Scheme
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United Kingdom210 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-14 22:40:40
June 14 2012 22:39 GMT
#249
On June 15 2012 07:20 zeratul_jf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2012 06:56 Hardigan wrote:
Isn't there a WCS for other countries too? Wouldn't it be unfait, that only the US would have to choose between WCS and mlg (both very important tournaments and unmissable), while other countries doesn't?



This sums it up pretty well. Why do US players have to choose between their tourneys when everyone else gets to play theirs at different times. Seems rather unfair don't you think?


- Naniwa missed MLG so that he could focus on GSL.

- Socke missed MLG to play in WCS in germany.
Mrvoodoochild1
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1439 Posts
June 14 2012 22:39 GMT
#250
On June 15 2012 07:07 Xarow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2012 07:01 Defacer wrote:
On June 15 2012 06:22 revel8 wrote:
On June 15 2012 05:49 Egomancer wrote:
Lol, I see a bunch of people cheering for the winner, except idra that looks kinda sad, don't you think?

But maybe I am wrong...

Egomancer


Idra wanted Alicia to beat DRG. That is clear.


Are we really going to interpret what the back of IdrA's head is trying to tell us?

LOL.


i think he tweeted "alicia hwaiting~" or something to that effect when he beat MKP so i feel confident thats why he wasnt standing

He did live with Alicia for three months in the Slayer's house
"let your freak flag fly"
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
June 14 2012 23:34 GMT
#251
On June 15 2012 07:39 Scheme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2012 07:20 zeratul_jf wrote:
On June 15 2012 06:56 Hardigan wrote:
Isn't there a WCS for other countries too? Wouldn't it be unfait, that only the US would have to choose between WCS and mlg (both very important tournaments and unmissable), while other countries doesn't?



This sums it up pretty well. Why do US players have to choose between their tourneys when everyone else gets to play theirs at different times. Seems rather unfair don't you think?


- Naniwa missed MLG so that he could focus on GSL.

- Socke missed MLG to play in WCS in germany.

Apparently this guy thinks "scheduling conflict for major tournaments" is the same as "player didn't want to go".
Average means I'm better than half of you.
windsupernova
Profile Joined October 2010
Mexico5280 Posts
June 15 2012 01:03 GMT
#252
On June 15 2012 05:53 Pimpmuckl wrote:
Still, making WCS Wednesday-Thursday and MLG Friday-Sunday would have been the choice to do.


The whole point for the WCS was to give more unknown players(who probably are not full time pros) a spot to shine. Making it on Wednesday-Thursday would make it much harder for those who have school and\or work.

"Its easy, just trust your CPU".-Boxer on being good at games
vesicular
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1310 Posts
June 15 2012 04:37 GMT
#253
On June 15 2012 05:39 MLG_Adam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2012 21:26 FairForever wrote:
On June 14 2012 21:22 Scheme wrote:
On June 14 2012 16:30 windsupernova wrote:
I don't get it how did a thread about some pretty legit points devolve in fanboy drooling and Idra and Blizzard bashing?

Idra, while he has a history of whining makes some clear and concise points about the(lack of) organization of the tournament organizers. Blizzard from what it seems outsourced everything to MLG and in this case(the terrible organization) lies on MLGs fault(O think they filled the event too much with so many stuff).If MLG couldn't handle the 2 tournaments then they should have declined the job.

I dont even understand why this thread turned out this crappy...



MLG did run both tourneys fine. I didn't hear about any players that only played MLG complain.

The trouble was with players that tried to compete in both tournaments. I guess it was up to them to decide whether they could be competitive in both. There are plenty of cases in other sports(including e-sports) where individuals/teams need to make choices like these.

But I agree with you, the thread could have a bit more genuine discussion about tournament scheduling/organization rather than personal attacks (without basis).


If they had warned players that it might not be a good idea to play in both, then the onus would be more on the players. But they explicitly promoted that playing both tournaments would be okay (obviously, as they want the top players in both to draw the viewership), which was clearly incorrect.



To be clear, every single player in the WCS was offered a spot in the MLG tournament via email. With that invitation they were also warned of the rigorous schedule. Some players decided to do both, others like Nony decided to focus on one event or the other. The players that chose to compete in both, Idra included, were warned in advance of schedule ramifications.

Also, the Friday schedule ended at 1:32 AM, 2 minutes past schedule, not 2:30 AM.


Thanks for the clarification. I still agree with Idra, it's unreasonable to have both tournies over the same weekend. Rigorous or not it does one of two things, A) means certain players (like Nony) won't participate in both tournies and B) lowers the quality of play for those who do participate in both (burnout, fatigue, etc). Forget the players for a moment, neither option is good for the fans. I get wanting to save money, but if this continues eventually you will be degrading play. That will not make financial sense long term.
STX Fighting!
revel8
Profile Joined January 2012
United Kingdom3022 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-15 08:32:42
June 15 2012 08:31 GMT
#254
On June 15 2012 07:01 Defacer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2012 06:22 revel8 wrote:
On June 15 2012 05:49 Egomancer wrote:
Lol, I see a bunch of people cheering for the winner, except idra that looks kinda sad, don't you think?

But maybe I am wrong...

Egomancer


Idra wanted Alicia to beat DRG. That is clear.


Are we really going to interpret what the back of IdrA's head is trying to tell us?

LOL.



No. I just know that Idra tweeted support for Alicia during the tournament. I inferred from that that he was supporting Alicia. Not really too much of a stretch.

If this was not the case, Idra would probably correct me.
ThePlayer33
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia2378 Posts
June 15 2012 08:36 GMT
#255
On June 15 2012 17:31 revel8 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2012 07:01 Defacer wrote:
On June 15 2012 06:22 revel8 wrote:
On June 15 2012 05:49 Egomancer wrote:
Lol, I see a bunch of people cheering for the winner, except idra that looks kinda sad, don't you think?

But maybe I am wrong...

Egomancer


Idra wanted Alicia to beat DRG. That is clear.


Are we really going to interpret what the back of IdrA's head is trying to tell us?

LOL.



No. I just know that Idra tweeted support for Alicia during the tournament. I inferred from that that he was supporting Alicia. Not really too much of a stretch.

If this was not the case, Idra would probably correct me.


EG-Slayers.

and I really hope MLG and blizzard think this one through. at least get organised, get the schedules right and (more) on time.
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Scheme
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United Kingdom210 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-15 09:10:50
June 15 2012 08:55 GMT
#256
On June 15 2012 08:34 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2012 07:39 Scheme wrote:
On June 15 2012 07:20 zeratul_jf wrote:
On June 15 2012 06:56 Hardigan wrote:
Isn't there a WCS for other countries too? Wouldn't it be unfait, that only the US would have to choose between WCS and mlg (both very important tournaments and unmissable), while other countries doesn't?



This sums it up pretty well. Why do US players have to choose between their tourneys when everyone else gets to play theirs at different times. Seems rather unfair don't you think?


- Naniwa missed MLG so that he could focus on GSL.

- Socke missed MLG to play in WCS in germany.

Apparently this guy thinks "scheduling conflict for major tournaments" is the same as "player didn't want to go".


WCS germany was scheduled around the same time as MLG, so Socke decided not to go MLG.

Socke being an example of a player which is not American that had to choose between MLG and WCS., which is a reply to was Hardigan said above:

Wouldn't it be unfair, that only the US would have to choose between WCS and mlg (both very important tournaments and unmissable), while other countries doesn't?


What I mean is:

1. He mentions that only American players need to choose between MLG and WCS.
2. I give an example of a German player player who had to choose between MLG and WCS.
3. Illustrating that this is not a situation unique to Americans.

Similarly Naniwa, from Sweden chose GSL over MLG. Not because he didn't want to go, but because the tournaments where scheduled to closely and therefore it would've affected his play in GSL.

EDIT: I thought I didn't have to sound so pissy.



Paljas
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6926 Posts
June 15 2012 09:01 GMT
#257
On June 15 2012 17:55 Scheme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2012 08:34 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On June 15 2012 07:39 Scheme wrote:
On June 15 2012 07:20 zeratul_jf wrote:
On June 15 2012 06:56 Hardigan wrote:
Isn't there a WCS for other countries too? Wouldn't it be unfait, that only the US would have to choose between WCS and mlg (both very important tournaments and unmissable), while other countries doesn't?



This sums it up pretty well. Why do US players have to choose between their tourneys when everyone else gets to play theirs at different times. Seems rather unfair don't you think?


- Naniwa missed MLG so that he could focus on GSL.

- Socke missed MLG to play in WCS in germany.

Apparently this guy thinks "scheduling conflict for major tournaments" is the same as "player didn't want to go".


WCS germany was schedule at the same time as MLG, so Socke had to choose which one to go, not that he didn't want to go.

Socke being an example of a player which is not American that had to choose between MLG and WCS., which is a reply to was Hardigan said above:

Show nested quote +
Wouldn't it be unfair, that only the US would have to choose between WCS and mlg (both very important tournaments and unmissable), while other countries doesn't?


Apparently lack the ability to understand my point, so I will break it down for you:

1. He mentions that only American players need to choose between MLG and WCS.
2.I give an example of a German player(which is not American btw) player who had to choose between MLG and WCS.
3. Illustrating that this is not a situation unique to Americans.

Similarly Naniwa, from Sweden chose GSL over MLG. Not because he didn't want to go, but because the tournaments where scheduled to closely and therefore it would've affected his play in GSL.

Apparently you should read all the nested replies before you reply.




socke was at mlg spring championship... or are you referring to an other one?
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Scheme
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United Kingdom210 Posts
June 15 2012 09:08 GMT
#258
On June 15 2012 18:01 Paljas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2012 17:55 Scheme wrote:
On June 15 2012 08:34 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On June 15 2012 07:39 Scheme wrote:
On June 15 2012 07:20 zeratul_jf wrote:
On June 15 2012 06:56 Hardigan wrote:
Isn't there a WCS for other countries too? Wouldn't it be unfait, that only the US would have to choose between WCS and mlg (both very important tournaments and unmissable), while other countries doesn't?



This sums it up pretty well. Why do US players have to choose between their tourneys when everyone else gets to play theirs at different times. Seems rather unfair don't you think?


- Naniwa missed MLG so that he could focus on GSL.

- Socke missed MLG to play in WCS in germany.

Apparently this guy thinks "scheduling conflict for major tournaments" is the same as "player didn't want to go".


WCS germany was schedule at the same time as MLG, so Socke had to choose which one to go, not that he didn't want to go.

Socke being an example of a player which is not American that had to choose between MLG and WCS., which is a reply to was Hardigan said above:

Wouldn't it be unfair, that only the US would have to choose between WCS and mlg (both very important tournaments and unmissable), while other countries doesn't?


Apparently lack the ability to understand my point, so I will break it down for you:

1. He mentions that only American players need to choose between MLG and WCS.
2.I give an example of a German player(which is not American btw) player who had to choose between MLG and WCS.
3. Illustrating that this is not a situation unique to Americans.

Similarly Naniwa, from Sweden chose GSL over MLG. Not because he didn't want to go, but because the tournaments where scheduled to closely and therefore it would've affected his play in GSL.

Apparently you should read all the nested replies before you reply.




socke was at mlg spring championship... or are you referring to an other one?


I thought it was 2011 Raleigh. I know he attended this one.
Paljas
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6926 Posts
June 15 2012 09:10 GMT
#259
On June 15 2012 18:08 Scheme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2012 18:01 Paljas wrote:
On June 15 2012 17:55 Scheme wrote:
On June 15 2012 08:34 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On June 15 2012 07:39 Scheme wrote:
On June 15 2012 07:20 zeratul_jf wrote:
On June 15 2012 06:56 Hardigan wrote:
Isn't there a WCS for other countries too? Wouldn't it be unfait, that only the US would have to choose between WCS and mlg (both very important tournaments and unmissable), while other countries doesn't?



This sums it up pretty well. Why do US players have to choose between their tourneys when everyone else gets to play theirs at different times. Seems rather unfair don't you think?


- Naniwa missed MLG so that he could focus on GSL.

- Socke missed MLG to play in WCS in germany.

Apparently this guy thinks "scheduling conflict for major tournaments" is the same as "player didn't want to go".


WCS germany was schedule at the same time as MLG, so Socke had to choose which one to go, not that he didn't want to go.

Socke being an example of a player which is not American that had to choose between MLG and WCS., which is a reply to was Hardigan said above:

Wouldn't it be unfair, that only the US would have to choose between WCS and mlg (both very important tournaments and unmissable), while other countries doesn't?


Apparently lack the ability to understand my point, so I will break it down for you:

1. He mentions that only American players need to choose between MLG and WCS.
2.I give an example of a German player(which is not American btw) player who had to choose between MLG and WCS.
3. Illustrating that this is not a situation unique to Americans.

Similarly Naniwa, from Sweden chose GSL over MLG. Not because he didn't want to go, but because the tournaments where scheduled to closely and therefore it would've affected his play in GSL.

Apparently you should read all the nested replies before you reply.




socke was at mlg spring championship... or are you referring to an other one?


I thought it was 2011 Raleigh. I know he attended this one.

wcs germany was in june this year...
but maybe i just have no idea what you are talking about.
TL+ Member
Scheme
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United Kingdom210 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-15 09:19:24
June 15 2012 09:17 GMT
#260
On June 15 2012 18:10 Paljas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2012 18:08 Scheme wrote:
On June 15 2012 18:01 Paljas wrote:
On June 15 2012 17:55 Scheme wrote:
On June 15 2012 08:34 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On June 15 2012 07:39 Scheme wrote:
On June 15 2012 07:20 zeratul_jf wrote:
On June 15 2012 06:56 Hardigan wrote:
Isn't there a WCS for other countries too? Wouldn't it be unfait, that only the US would have to choose between WCS and mlg (both very important tournaments and unmissable), while other countries doesn't?



This sums it up pretty well. Why do US players have to choose between their tourneys when everyone else gets to play theirs at different times. Seems rather unfair don't you think?


- Naniwa missed MLG so that he could focus on GSL.

- Socke missed MLG to play in WCS in germany.

Apparently this guy thinks "scheduling conflict for major tournaments" is the same as "player didn't want to go".


WCS germany was schedule at the same time as MLG, so Socke had to choose which one to go, not that he didn't want to go.

Socke being an example of a player which is not American that had to choose between MLG and WCS., which is a reply to was Hardigan said above:

Wouldn't it be unfair, that only the US would have to choose between WCS and mlg (both very important tournaments and unmissable), while other countries doesn't?


Apparently lack the ability to understand my point, so I will break it down for you:

1. He mentions that only American players need to choose between MLG and WCS.
2.I give an example of a German player(which is not American btw) player who had to choose between MLG and WCS.
3. Illustrating that this is not a situation unique to Americans.

Similarly Naniwa, from Sweden chose GSL over MLG. Not because he didn't want to go, but because the tournaments where scheduled to closely and therefore it would've affected his play in GSL.

Apparently you should read all the nested replies before you reply.




socke was at mlg spring championship... or are you referring to an other one?


I thought it was 2011 Raleigh. I know he attended this one.

wcs germany was in june this year...
but maybe i just have no idea what you are talking about.


I meant raleigh 2011.

I just checked the tournaments and the had WCS qualifier and IEM around the same time as Raleigh 2011, so he didn't attend because if I recall he wouldn't have time. I think there a few comments on his Fan club about it.

Naniwa with MLG and GSL being another example of what I said.
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