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On June 14 2012 16:30 windsupernova wrote:
I don't get it how did a thread about some pretty legit points devolve in fanboy drooling and Idra and Blizzard bashing?
Idra, while he has a history of whining makes some clear and concise points about the(lack of) organization of the tournament organizers. Blizzard from what it seems outsourced everything to MLG and in this case(the terrible organization) lies on MLGs fault(O think they filled the event too much with so many stuff).If MLG couldn't handle the 2 tournaments then they should have declined the job.
I dont even understand why this thread turned out this crappy...
MLG did run both tourneys fine. I didn't hear about any players that only played MLG complain.
The trouble was with players that tried to compete in both tournaments. I guess it was up to them to decide whether they could be competitive in both. There are plenty of cases in other sports(including e-sports) where individuals/teams need to make choices like these. I disagree that the both are unmissable, as there have been plenty of examples of people choosing other tourneys over MLG for whatever reason.
But I agree with you, the thread could have a bit more genuine discussion about tournament scheduling/organization rather than personal attacks (without basis).
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On June 14 2012 21:22 Scheme wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2012 16:30 windsupernova wrote:
I don't get it how did a thread about some pretty legit points devolve in fanboy drooling and Idra and Blizzard bashing?
Idra, while he has a history of whining makes some clear and concise points about the(lack of) organization of the tournament organizers. Blizzard from what it seems outsourced everything to MLG and in this case(the terrible organization) lies on MLGs fault(O think they filled the event too much with so many stuff).If MLG couldn't handle the 2 tournaments then they should have declined the job.
I dont even understand why this thread turned out this crappy...
MLG did run both tourneys fine. I didn't hear about any players that only played MLG complain. The trouble was with players that tried to compete in both tournaments. I guess it was up to them to decide whether they could be competitive in both. There are plenty of cases in other sports(including e-sports) where individuals/teams need to make choices like these. But I agree with you, the thread could have a bit more genuine discussion about tournament scheduling/organization rather than personal attacks (without basis).
If they had warned players that it might not be a good idea to play in both, then the onus would be more on the players. But they explicitly promoted that playing both tournaments would be okay (obviously, as they want the top players in both to draw the viewership), which was clearly incorrect.
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On June 14 2012 21:26 FairForever wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2012 21:22 Scheme wrote:On June 14 2012 16:30 windsupernova wrote:
I don't get it how did a thread about some pretty legit points devolve in fanboy drooling and Idra and Blizzard bashing?
Idra, while he has a history of whining makes some clear and concise points about the(lack of) organization of the tournament organizers. Blizzard from what it seems outsourced everything to MLG and in this case(the terrible organization) lies on MLGs fault(O think they filled the event too much with so many stuff).If MLG couldn't handle the 2 tournaments then they should have declined the job.
I dont even understand why this thread turned out this crappy...
MLG did run both tourneys fine. I didn't hear about any players that only played MLG complain. The trouble was with players that tried to compete in both tournaments. I guess it was up to them to decide whether they could be competitive in both. There are plenty of cases in other sports(including e-sports) where individuals/teams need to make choices like these. But I agree with you, the thread could have a bit more genuine discussion about tournament scheduling/organization rather than personal attacks (without basis). If they had warned players that it might not be a good idea to play in both, then the onus would be more on the players. But they explicitly promoted that playing both tournaments would be okay (obviously, as they want the top players in both to draw the viewership), which was clearly incorrect.
I understand that they said playing in both tournaments would be okay. I guess its similar to when you have different leagues of football running at the same time. Some team that is part of both could play in all games, but its the case that a lot of times to spare players they will play with a reserve team. I guess since this is individual sport the player of their managers need to figure it out if they can cope with the ridiculous amount of games.
To be honest. I'm surprised that Idra is complaining, I think it was in a Inside the Game last week that he thought this schedule would work for his advantage as he was used to playing more. Maybe MLG and players should think more carefully about this over-schedule tournaments running at the same time in future.
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On June 14 2012 21:36 Scheme wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2012 21:26 FairForever wrote:On June 14 2012 21:22 Scheme wrote:On June 14 2012 16:30 windsupernova wrote:
I don't get it how did a thread about some pretty legit points devolve in fanboy drooling and Idra and Blizzard bashing?
Idra, while he has a history of whining makes some clear and concise points about the(lack of) organization of the tournament organizers. Blizzard from what it seems outsourced everything to MLG and in this case(the terrible organization) lies on MLGs fault(O think they filled the event too much with so many stuff).If MLG couldn't handle the 2 tournaments then they should have declined the job.
I dont even understand why this thread turned out this crappy...
MLG did run both tourneys fine. I didn't hear about any players that only played MLG complain. The trouble was with players that tried to compete in both tournaments. I guess it was up to them to decide whether they could be competitive in both. There are plenty of cases in other sports(including e-sports) where individuals/teams need to make choices like these. But I agree with you, the thread could have a bit more genuine discussion about tournament scheduling/organization rather than personal attacks (without basis). If they had warned players that it might not be a good idea to play in both, then the onus would be more on the players. But they explicitly promoted that playing both tournaments would be okay (obviously, as they want the top players in both to draw the viewership), which was clearly incorrect. I understand that they said playing in both tournaments would be okay. I guess its similar to when you have different leagues of football running at the same time. Some team that is part of both could play in all games, but its the case that a lot of times to spare players they will play with a reserve team. I guess since this is individual sport the player of their managers need to figure it out if they can cope with the ridiculous amount of games. To be honest. I'm surprised that Idra is complaining, I think it was in a Inside the Game last week that he thought this schedule would work for his advantage as he was used to playing more. Maybe MLG and players should think more carefully about this over-schedule tournaments running at the same time in future.
You didn't read the article I guess. Idra clearly says in it that in theory this kind of scheduling should have favoured him BUT, because it was SOOOO heavy (like much heavier than anything he experienced in Korean Pro Gamer's Houses), even him couldn't make anything good with it.
Moreover, it's not because something is favouring you that it's necesseraly good. Such scheduling is bad because it's not well rounded at all, players spend a lot of time waiting for stuff they don't know when are gonna happen (therefore this time is wasted) and organizers couldn't even give them hints on what to expect or when they were gonna play. Once again, Idra being able to somehow take advantage of this situation doesn't make it a good situation.
It's bad for everyone, just a little less for him.
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On June 14 2012 21:55 Emix_Squall wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2012 21:36 Scheme wrote:On June 14 2012 21:26 FairForever wrote:On June 14 2012 21:22 Scheme wrote:On June 14 2012 16:30 windsupernova wrote:
I don't get it how did a thread about some pretty legit points devolve in fanboy drooling and Idra and Blizzard bashing?
Idra, while he has a history of whining makes some clear and concise points about the(lack of) organization of the tournament organizers. Blizzard from what it seems outsourced everything to MLG and in this case(the terrible organization) lies on MLGs fault(O think they filled the event too much with so many stuff).If MLG couldn't handle the 2 tournaments then they should have declined the job.
I dont even understand why this thread turned out this crappy...
MLG did run both tourneys fine. I didn't hear about any players that only played MLG complain. The trouble was with players that tried to compete in both tournaments. I guess it was up to them to decide whether they could be competitive in both. There are plenty of cases in other sports(including e-sports) where individuals/teams need to make choices like these. But I agree with you, the thread could have a bit more genuine discussion about tournament scheduling/organization rather than personal attacks (without basis). If they had warned players that it might not be a good idea to play in both, then the onus would be more on the players. But they explicitly promoted that playing both tournaments would be okay (obviously, as they want the top players in both to draw the viewership), which was clearly incorrect. I understand that they said playing in both tournaments would be okay. I guess its similar to when you have different leagues of football running at the same time. Some team that is part of both could play in all games, but its the case that a lot of times to spare players they will play with a reserve team. I guess since this is individual sport the player of their managers need to figure it out if they can cope with the ridiculous amount of games. To be honest. I'm surprised that Idra is complaining, I think it was in a Inside the Game last week that he thought this schedule would work for his advantage as he was used to playing more. Maybe MLG and players should think more carefully about this over-schedule tournaments running at the same time in future. You didn't read the article I guess. Idra clearly says in it that in theory this kind of scheduling should have favoured him BUT, because it was SOOOO heavy (like much heavier than anything he experienced in Korean Pro Gamer's Houses), even him couldn't make anything good with it. Moreover, it's not because something is favouring you that it's necesseraly good. Such scheduling is bad because it's not well rounded at all, players spend a lot of time waiting for stuff they don't know when are gonna happen (therefore this time is wasted) and organizers couldn't even give them hints on what to expect or when they were gonna play. Once again, Idra being able to somehow take advantage of this situation doesn't make it a good situation. It's bad for everyone, just a little less for him.
I don't mean to sound pissy but you are making assumptions here:
- I did read the article. I imagine the reason you thought I didn't is because I said:
I'm surprised that Idra is complaining, I think it was in a Inside the Game last week that he thought this schedule would work for his advantage as he was used to playing more.
This is simply because, out of all the players, I imagined, due to his reputation, he would've not struggle with a heavy(even crazy) schedule.
- I never said it was good, in fact I prefer the GSL format over any other tournament as it allows the players to be(in theory) as rested as possible. I was just remarking players need to think more carefully about entering these doubled scheduled tournaments as it means a lot more games.
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United States994 Posts
On June 14 2012 21:26 FairForever wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2012 21:22 Scheme wrote:On June 14 2012 16:30 windsupernova wrote:
I don't get it how did a thread about some pretty legit points devolve in fanboy drooling and Idra and Blizzard bashing?
Idra, while he has a history of whining makes some clear and concise points about the(lack of) organization of the tournament organizers. Blizzard from what it seems outsourced everything to MLG and in this case(the terrible organization) lies on MLGs fault(O think they filled the event too much with so many stuff).If MLG couldn't handle the 2 tournaments then they should have declined the job.
I dont even understand why this thread turned out this crappy...
MLG did run both tourneys fine. I didn't hear about any players that only played MLG complain. The trouble was with players that tried to compete in both tournaments. I guess it was up to them to decide whether they could be competitive in both. There are plenty of cases in other sports(including e-sports) where individuals/teams need to make choices like these. But I agree with you, the thread could have a bit more genuine discussion about tournament scheduling/organization rather than personal attacks (without basis). If they had warned players that it might not be a good idea to play in both, then the onus would be more on the players. But they explicitly promoted that playing both tournaments would be okay (obviously, as they want the top players in both to draw the viewership), which was clearly incorrect.
To be clear, every single player in the WCS was offered a spot in the MLG tournament via email. With that invitation they were also warned of the rigorous schedule. Some players decided to do both, others like Nony decided to focus on one event or the other. The players that chose to compete in both, Idra included, were warned in advance of schedule ramifications.
Also, the Friday schedule ended at 1:32 AM, 2 minutes past schedule, not 2:30 AM.
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I don't know what you want to show with that picture.
I only see Idra giving the thumbs up to DRG for beating Alica
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On June 15 2012 05:39 MLG_Adam wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2012 21:26 FairForever wrote:On June 14 2012 21:22 Scheme wrote:On June 14 2012 16:30 windsupernova wrote:
I don't get it how did a thread about some pretty legit points devolve in fanboy drooling and Idra and Blizzard bashing?
Idra, while he has a history of whining makes some clear and concise points about the(lack of) organization of the tournament organizers. Blizzard from what it seems outsourced everything to MLG and in this case(the terrible organization) lies on MLGs fault(O think they filled the event too much with so many stuff).If MLG couldn't handle the 2 tournaments then they should have declined the job.
I dont even understand why this thread turned out this crappy...
MLG did run both tourneys fine. I didn't hear about any players that only played MLG complain. The trouble was with players that tried to compete in both tournaments. I guess it was up to them to decide whether they could be competitive in both. There are plenty of cases in other sports(including e-sports) where individuals/teams need to make choices like these. But I agree with you, the thread could have a bit more genuine discussion about tournament scheduling/organization rather than personal attacks (without basis). If they had warned players that it might not be a good idea to play in both, then the onus would be more on the players. But they explicitly promoted that playing both tournaments would be okay (obviously, as they want the top players in both to draw the viewership), which was clearly incorrect. To be clear, every single player in the WCS was offered a spot in the MLG tournament via email. With that invitation they were also warned of the rigorous schedule. Some players decided to do both, others like Nony decided to focus on one event or the other. The players that chose to compete in both, Idra included, were warned in advance of schedule ramifications. Also, the Friday schedule ended at 1:32 AM, 2 minutes past schedule, not 2:30 AM.
Idra says you encouraged them to play both, you say you warned them about playing both. Who's right?
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United States994 Posts
On June 15 2012 05:44 Xiron wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2012 05:39 MLG_Adam wrote:On June 14 2012 21:26 FairForever wrote:On June 14 2012 21:22 Scheme wrote:On June 14 2012 16:30 windsupernova wrote:
I don't get it how did a thread about some pretty legit points devolve in fanboy drooling and Idra and Blizzard bashing?
Idra, while he has a history of whining makes some clear and concise points about the(lack of) organization of the tournament organizers. Blizzard from what it seems outsourced everything to MLG and in this case(the terrible organization) lies on MLGs fault(O think they filled the event too much with so many stuff).If MLG couldn't handle the 2 tournaments then they should have declined the job.
I dont even understand why this thread turned out this crappy...
MLG did run both tourneys fine. I didn't hear about any players that only played MLG complain. The trouble was with players that tried to compete in both tournaments. I guess it was up to them to decide whether they could be competitive in both. There are plenty of cases in other sports(including e-sports) where individuals/teams need to make choices like these. But I agree with you, the thread could have a bit more genuine discussion about tournament scheduling/organization rather than personal attacks (without basis). If they had warned players that it might not be a good idea to play in both, then the onus would be more on the players. But they explicitly promoted that playing both tournaments would be okay (obviously, as they want the top players in both to draw the viewership), which was clearly incorrect. To be clear, every single player in the WCS was offered a spot in the MLG tournament via email. With that invitation they were also warned of the rigorous schedule. Some players decided to do both, others like Nony decided to focus on one event or the other. The players that chose to compete in both, Idra included, were warned in advance of schedule ramifications. Also, the Friday schedule ended at 1:32 AM, 2 minutes past schedule, not 2:30 AM. Idra says you encouraged them to play both, you say you warned them about playing both. Who's right?
Of course we encouraged them to play. Greg is an incredible player, we wanted the best to play in both. However, they were warned that the schedule would be long and arduous.
Greg nor myself said anything incorrect in anything that is being said (other than the schedule running until 2:30AM)
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Lol, I see a bunch of people cheering for the winner, except idra that looks kinda sad, don't you think?
But maybe I am wrong...
Egomancer
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Still, making WCS Wednesday-Thursday and MLG Friday-Sunday would have been the choice to do.
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On June 15 2012 05:53 Pimpmuckl wrote:
Still, making WCS Wednesday-Thursday and MLG Friday-Sunday would have been the choice to do.
The holy purpose was to cut costs imo, which this solution does not ;D
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On June 15 2012 05:49 Egomancer wrote:
Lol, I see a bunch of people cheering for the winner, except idra that looks kinda sad, don't you think?
But maybe I am wrong...
Egomancer
Idra wanted Alicia to beat DRG. That is clear.
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He is under absolutely no obligation to play in both events. Bonehead decision to schedule both the same weekend by blizz/MLG.
Total cop out excuse by idra. If you can't play both, play one and don't rely on the other one as an excuse when you get bounced.
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It's definitely ideal to host the tournaments on separate days, but since I know nothing about blizzards finances [except they made about 220 billion with WoW] I can't judge what's best overall.
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On June 15 2012 05:47 MLG_Adam wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2012 05:44 Xiron wrote:On June 15 2012 05:39 MLG_Adam wrote:On June 14 2012 21:26 FairForever wrote:On June 14 2012 21:22 Scheme wrote:On June 14 2012 16:30 windsupernova wrote:
I don't get it how did a thread about some pretty legit points devolve in fanboy drooling and Idra and Blizzard bashing?
Idra, while he has a history of whining makes some clear and concise points about the(lack of) organization of the tournament organizers. Blizzard from what it seems outsourced everything to MLG and in this case(the terrible organization) lies on MLGs fault(O think they filled the event too much with so many stuff).If MLG couldn't handle the 2 tournaments then they should have declined the job.
I dont even understand why this thread turned out this crappy...
MLG did run both tourneys fine. I didn't hear about any players that only played MLG complain. The trouble was with players that tried to compete in both tournaments. I guess it was up to them to decide whether they could be competitive in both. There are plenty of cases in other sports(including e-sports) where individuals/teams need to make choices like these. But I agree with you, the thread could have a bit more genuine discussion about tournament scheduling/organization rather than personal attacks (without basis). If they had warned players that it might not be a good idea to play in both, then the onus would be more on the players. But they explicitly promoted that playing both tournaments would be okay (obviously, as they want the top players in both to draw the viewership), which was clearly incorrect. To be clear, every single player in the WCS was offered a spot in the MLG tournament via email. With that invitation they were also warned of the rigorous schedule. Some players decided to do both, others like Nony decided to focus on one event or the other. The players that chose to compete in both, Idra included, were warned in advance of schedule ramifications. Also, the Friday schedule ended at 1:32 AM, 2 minutes past schedule, not 2:30 AM. Idra says you encouraged them to play both, you say you warned them about playing both. Who's right? Of course we encouraged them to play. Greg is an incredible player, we wanted the best to play in both. However, they were warned that the schedule would be long and arduous. Greg nor myself said anything incorrect in anything that is being said (other than the schedule running until 2:30AM)
Adam: so Illusion's games ending that late were a result of overruns and delays rather than deliberate scheduling?
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United States994 Posts
On June 15 2012 06:37 LuckoftheIrish wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2012 05:47 MLG_Adam wrote:On June 15 2012 05:44 Xiron wrote:On June 15 2012 05:39 MLG_Adam wrote:On June 14 2012 21:26 FairForever wrote:On June 14 2012 21:22 Scheme wrote:On June 14 2012 16:30 windsupernova wrote:
I don't get it how did a thread about some pretty legit points devolve in fanboy drooling and Idra and Blizzard bashing?
Idra, while he has a history of whining makes some clear and concise points about the(lack of) organization of the tournament organizers. Blizzard from what it seems outsourced everything to MLG and in this case(the terrible organization) lies on MLGs fault(O think they filled the event too much with so many stuff).If MLG couldn't handle the 2 tournaments then they should have declined the job.
I dont even understand why this thread turned out this crappy...
MLG did run both tourneys fine. I didn't hear about any players that only played MLG complain. The trouble was with players that tried to compete in both tournaments. I guess it was up to them to decide whether they could be competitive in both. There are plenty of cases in other sports(including e-sports) where individuals/teams need to make choices like these. But I agree with you, the thread could have a bit more genuine discussion about tournament scheduling/organization rather than personal attacks (without basis). If they had warned players that it might not be a good idea to play in both, then the onus would be more on the players. But they explicitly promoted that playing both tournaments would be okay (obviously, as they want the top players in both to draw the viewership), which was clearly incorrect. To be clear, every single player in the WCS was offered a spot in the MLG tournament via email. With that invitation they were also warned of the rigorous schedule. Some players decided to do both, others like Nony decided to focus on one event or the other. The players that chose to compete in both, Idra included, were warned in advance of schedule ramifications. Also, the Friday schedule ended at 1:32 AM, 2 minutes past schedule, not 2:30 AM. Idra says you encouraged them to play both, you say you warned them about playing both. Who's right? Of course we encouraged them to play. Greg is an incredible player, we wanted the best to play in both. However, they were warned that the schedule would be long and arduous. Greg nor myself said anything incorrect in anything that is being said (other than the schedule running until 2:30AM) Adam: so Illusion's games ending that late were a result of overruns and delays rather than deliberate scheduling?
No match was played after 1:32 AM PST on Friday night.
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lol ... playing in both and expecting it wouldn't be hard and stressing. Even if someone says its possible to take part in both, it still means you have to play non stop in the worst case, especially if you end up in a long game. Happens when games vary from 5 minutes to up to over an hour.
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On June 14 2012 21:22 Scheme wrote:
There are plenty of cases in other sports
Name some in professional sports.
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