Holding two tournaments on the same weekend, at the same venue, like this, seems like a retarded idea. I'm surprised people weren't speaking out about it beforehand.

aRyuujin

United States5049 Posts

June 13 2012 03:04 GMT

#22

Watching IdrA vs Daisuki, you could tell how tired he was. Hopefully we'll get a change in schedule

Doodsmack

United States7224 Posts

June 13 2012 03:06 GMT

#23

Definitely would be reasonable for Vibe and others competing in the NA WCS tourney to only play that and not MLG's tourney in Raleigh.

Le BucheRON

Canada619 Posts

June 13 2012 03:09 GMT

#24

On June 13 2012 11:46 imEnex wrote:
First, and this is very interesting

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Yeah, cut this out.
I'm glad iDra spoke out about this, from a viewers perspective, having 2 tournaments was a little annoying, but I had no idea that it was THAT ridiculous for the players. Hopefully if they can't change this format for the summer tournament they will make some kind of adjustments for the players.

Gojira621

United States374 Posts

June 13 2012 03:14 GMT

#25

The north american championship is going to have a smaller player pool (32) so there won't be as many games, but its still double elimination. Since saturday afternoon/evening is generally loser's open bracket and pool play, I feel like saturday should be the main day of the NA championships and then finish them up sunday along with the MLG championship. If they decide not to have another kespa exhibition it should be easier to do this and it would make it somewhat easier on the players I would hope

Demonhunter04

1530 Posts

June 13 2012 03:18 GMT

#26

IdrA is a great writer, and I agree with his criticisms completely (though that's not saying much).

AnachronisticAnarchy

United States2957 Posts

June 13 2012 03:21 GMT

#27

Fair points, but I feel like nitpicking.

It’s our responsibility to let them know that we as a community do not find it worthwhile to get the extra content at the cost of those problems.

I don't think we need that much content period. I mean, we almost completely ignore the open bracket as is in any given MLG. We miss so much due to the massive amount of content in a standard MLG tournament. In a MLG/WCS hybird, we miss an inexcusable amount of games, storylines and action.
Also, I don't see how anyone thought it would be possible to have good scheduling on the players' side either. I don't know if they thought that Bo3's took a predictable amount of time or something, but they don't. This is MLG, too. Extended series will fuck over any temporal planning you made.
I honestly don't know why anyone thought this fusion tournament was a good idea.

Plansix

United States60190 Posts

June 13 2012 03:24 GMT

#28

On June 13 2012 12:21 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:
Fair points, but I feel like nitpicking.

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Agreed. It was SC2 overload that weekend. Personally, I find that there is so much SC2 to watch, I can't keep up and only watch the finals or my favorite players. But I don't want to see Idra playing zombie games. I like the way GSL has it set up, but the US is just to large(geographically) to do that currently.

NoGasfOu

United States1117 Posts

June 13 2012 03:26 GMT

#29

Looks like EG is starting to require players not producing results to write and publish something for publicity. I remember QXC did this a lot.

Whole

United States6046 Posts

June 13 2012 03:27 GMT

#30

I'm glad that EG & IdrA did this because I feel players need to speak out more about these issues. You always hear a few players complain about a tournament system, but no one pays attention. Now that more pros are speaking out, people are starting to realize its a problem. It's not just "Oh CatZ was a little later, whatever." anymore, it's "Oh, all of these people are operating on 5 hours of sleep." We need to take this a step further though. Can we get something done about it instead of just complaining?

KalWarkov

Germany4126 Posts

June 13 2012 03:27 GMT

#31

WCS and MLG at the same time was incredible bullshit. it felt like the players had to decide to play 1 of those to have a chance to perform well in it.
MLG open bracket and the WCS tournament are already stressful for the players by themselves, both together leads to ViBE representing the US (no offense, but he is def. not the best north american...) in WCS and none of the americans playing well at the MLG tournament (not that they would win it, or get into the pools anyway, but most of them couldve done at least a bit better i feel).

Lavit2099

United States390 Posts

June 13 2012 03:28 GMT

#32

I think it's fairly telling that none of the NA players made it into the top 16. I wonder how it'd impact the EU people if they held the EU quals at a Dreamhack?

Hnnngg

United States1101 Posts

June 13 2012 03:34 GMT

#33

On June 13 2012 12:28 lavit2099 wrote:
I think it's fairly telling that none of the NA players made it into the top 16. I wonder how it'd impact the EU people if they held the EU quals at a Dreamhack?

I wouldn't go so far to suggest an NA player would make it to top 16 (unfortunately for my NA bros).

I also don't think an EU qual would be a good idea. Of course it'd be interesting but not exactly practical.

LambtrOn

United States671 Posts

June 13 2012 03:35 GMT

#34

On June 13 2012 12:26 NoGasfOu wrote:
Looks like EG is starting to require players not producing results to write and publish something for publicity. I remember QXC did this a lot.

Or perhaps Idra felt this was worth talking about. I don't think Idra really needs publicity...

JazzJackrabbit

Canada1272 Posts

June 13 2012 03:38 GMT

#35

Next up, NASL finals and WCS Canada finals in the same weekend/venue!

RaNgeD

United States733 Posts

June 13 2012 03:38 GMT

#36

congrats on your free win to 4th place

thealexw87

United States47 Posts

June 13 2012 03:50 GMT

#37

I'm sorry but it's your job! Your path that you chose! Yeah gosh six hours of sleep and oh no, 12 hour days of playing then waiting and then playing sounds so terrible. I know plenty of players out there who would die to be in your shoes, who are working just as hard. And if you really felt that overwhelmed, hey, back out of a tournament; as in, withdraw! And gosh, I think one weekend a month where you have a crazy three days of playing isn't so bad. This goes for Idra, Sheth and all those other pros complaning about dual tourneys.

andytb

United Kingdom180 Posts

June 13 2012 03:50 GMT

#38

As Idra covers the grind of the open bracket is already terrible to the players without adding more workload. Adding in another WoL tourney to me devalued the brand and the prestige of both, particularly Blizzcup. But when else are all the players going to be willing to travel but to an MLG?

I can see why it was planned this way this time with all the casting, hardware and production resources in place, but next time Blizzard need to hold their own event. Perhaps if they want to continue to outsource to MLG, having deeper online qualification and replacing one live MLG arena for WCS would work really well.