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We will see what happens over time though...
TLPD Winrates May 2012 - Page 29
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NKexquisite
United States911 Posts
We will see what happens over time though... | ||
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Sabu113
United States11060 Posts
On June 08 2012 07:49 CakeSauc3 wrote: I just tested it in the Sandbox unit tester to make sure, but it looks like it's that Toss still comes out on top, as long as upgrades are even and toss has a good amount of feedback/voidray/archon (though obviously the battle isn't nearly as one-sided as when vortex is used). I think it comes down very much to ghost control and getting those emp's off. Successful emp's will absolutely destroy toss late game when BC's are in play, but failure to emp will result in Toss being able to still win engagements. Weird. There's a scenario similar to this with a pack of marines versus gateway units and a spell caster... I don't understand how more people don't have a problem with the way fungal kills airplay. I'm not sure how you replace it but rooting just can't be good design. | ||
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carloselcoco
United States2302 Posts
On June 08 2012 08:54 NKexquisite wrote: Well, this makes liquid bets pretty easy now... We will see what happens over time though... I didn't think about this. LOL! | ||
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SolidMoose
United States1240 Posts
On June 08 2012 08:52 Mjolnir wrote: Yeah, see... people are too angry right now to think about options. Reapers kill drones unbelievably fast. They build quick, and if their speed upgrade nerf was reverted, they'd be a decent harass option early. You also have the benefit of scouting and denying 3rd on top of it. They're also very powerful vs. lings and support a push quite well. I think people glanced over my post, saw reapers, and immediately started thinking about how reapers suck instead of looking at what I said in the context of the rest of my post. Please explain to me how 45 seconds is quick. And if we're talking about killing drones, hellions do that much better. They cost no gas, can take more hits, do better against lings and can kill drones faster. So if they don't work anymore, how the hell are reapers going to work. | ||
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s3rp
Germany3192 Posts
On June 08 2012 08:52 Mjolnir wrote: Yeah, see... people are too angry right now to think about options. Reapers kill drones unbelievably fast. They build quick, and if their speed upgrade nerf was reverted, they'd be a decent harass option early. You also have the benefit of scouting and denying 3rd on top of it. They're also very powerful vs. lings and support a push quite well. I think people glanced over my post, saw reapers, and immediately started thinking about how reapers suck instead of looking at what I said in the context of the rest of my post. Reapers don't build quick 45 seconds is ALOT , thats as much as a Siege Tank | ||
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Femari
United States2900 Posts
Take everything on these charts with a grain of salt, cause it could change drastically. | ||
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AKomrade
United States582 Posts
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las91
United States5080 Posts
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xParadoxi
United States78 Posts
On June 08 2012 08:52 Mjolnir wrote: Yeah, see... people are too angry right now to think about options. Reapers kill drones unbelievably fast. They build quick, and if their speed upgrade nerf was reverted, they'd be a decent harass option early. You also have the benefit of scouting and denying 3rd on top of it. They're also very powerful vs. lings and support a push quite well. I think people glanced over my post, saw reapers, and immediately started thinking about how reapers suck instead of looking at what I said in the context of the rest of my post. Here's a quote from Dustin Browder. Dustin Browder has stated in an interview that, "It was a bit of a mis-step for us. The players showed us what it was capable of and we nerfed it into obscurity. This will be addressed in Heart of the Swarm." You obviously dont get it. The time and gas you spend making reapers is not worth the harass you are going to do with them, BECAUSE YOU CANT KITE THE QUEEN! Any decent zerg player is not going to let you fly around in his main killing drones, he will simply pull his queen or 2 and hold the pressure. Meanwhile the Terran is on one base and the Zerg is droning up. | ||
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canikizu
4860 Posts
On June 08 2012 08:50 Femari wrote: I'm a bit confused cause I seem to remember the winrates for the previous month being much different. Did they change the winrates from last months chart? Cause I do remember Terran having the worst winrate last month and having under 50% in each matchup. Either way TvZ didn't need be changed. TvP is misleading, it's still a terrible matchup. Oh well. Guess I'll just have to deal with TvT being my only good matchup now. Sometimes TLPD doesn't update fast enough, the OP only use the data available at that time, some games weren't up yet. | ||
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spbelky
United States623 Posts
On June 08 2012 08:52 Mjolnir wrote: Yeah, see... people are too angry right now to think about options. Reapers kill drones unbelievably fast. They build quick, and if their speed upgrade nerf was reverted, they'd be a decent harass option early. You also have the benefit of scouting and denying 3rd on top of it. They're also very powerful vs. lings and support a push quite well. I think people glanced over my post, saw reapers, and immediately started thinking about how reapers suck instead of looking at what I said in the context of the rest of my post. Sorry, but what was that about reapers building quick? Do you even know the build time? I guess siege tanks build quick too. | ||
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xParadoxi
United States78 Posts
On June 08 2012 08:58 Sabu113 wrote: Weird. There's a scenario similar to this with a pack of marines versus gateway units and a spell caster... I don't understand how more people don't have a problem with the way fungal kills airplay. I'm not sure how you replace it but rooting just can't be good design. It's the rooting plus the damage it does. One good fungal can hit 9 marines, then he can just roll banelings in and wipe you out. With the Zergs ability to replenish their army, they will come out on top more often then not. | ||
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biology]major
United States2253 Posts
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On June 08 2012 09:18 biology]major wrote: tvz will reach 0% in june :< it wont. theres always a retard zerg who can lose to terran. | ||
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zezamer
Finland5701 Posts
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canikizu
4860 Posts
On June 08 2012 09:18 biology]major wrote: tvz will reach 0% in june :< Is that a challenge? Because it is accepted >> GSTL: TvZ - Zerg 100% win rate right now! Joke aside though, no worry, MKP all-killing StarTales already assured Terran at least couple percent of win rate or something. | ||
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NeMeSiS3
Canada2972 Posts
I play protoss... and I support this message | ||
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
Imho Terran is going through culture shock right now. This time last year every single unit except battle cruisers were fucking god like. As said earlier, we'll feel bothered by this when 50%+ of Code S is Zerg. Or did all Terrans just think that was a coincidence. | ||
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Esk23
United States447 Posts
User was warned for this post | ||
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xParadoxi
United States78 Posts
On June 08 2012 09:31 Probe1 wrote: Look I think we can agree that reapers are like carriers. They're BOTH CRAP Imho Terran is going through culture shock right now. This time last year every single unit except battle cruisers were fucking god like. As said earlier, we'll feel bothered by this when 50%+ of Code S is Zerg. Or did all Terrans just think that was a coincidence. fixed | ||
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