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Adreme
United States5574 Posts
On May 18 2012 06:26 zezamer wrote: MLG shouldn't try to hurt/insult/whatever GOM, in the end they need GOM players to attend their events. The thing is though "GOM players" arent owned by GOM in same way KESPA players are a part of KESPA. Leenock was completely willing to skip up/down matches to go to MLG but that would not happen if it were a KESPA league with KESPA players. | ||
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Kuja
United States1759 Posts
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zaii
Guam2611 Posts
On May 18 2012 11:32 Adreme wrote: The thing is though "GOM players" arent owned by GOM in same way KESPA players are a part of KESPA. Leenock was completely willing to skip up/down matches to go to MLG but that would not happen if it were a KESPA league with KESPA players. Exactly... and ppl expected Kespa players to attend foreign tournaments if there was no partnership... | ||
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Slasher
United States1095 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=338415 | ||
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xBillehx
United States1289 Posts
On May 18 2012 22:21 Slasher wrote: Up & Down Groups are out, wonder if this means Nestea won't be coming to Anaheim: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=338415 Anaheim is in June isn't it? Nestea plays on May 21st and U&D's finish the 25th. On that subject I'm a bit confused by Sundance's jab at GSL saying they made some behind the scene announcement that U&D are the same as Anaheim when clearly they aren't even close. | ||
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felisconcolori
United States6168 Posts
As far as all of the pretty pictures Sundance is painting, I would like to believe it. I understand what he's said, what his vision of eSports in the future looks like (he did a very interesting speech at MLG Orlando last year) but I guess I won't REALLY "get it" until I start seeing MLG start making meaningful movement in that direction. It's one thing to say you want to move towards something like the youth soccer (football) association in the US which is set up to provide meaningful games across multiple skill levels from around age 6 through college, and other to consistently go after large partnerships with GOM or KeSPA. I'm just not seeing any real movement towards ensuring there is a "farm" system in which people are introduced to ESPORTS and "grow" into both players and consumers. Of course, Sundance could really prove me wrong and say, bail out CSL from their current predicament so that there is unquestionable proof he could point at and say he really is interested in developing a farm style system in the US. Then again, a lot of pros are in college already and not part of the CSL. I dunno. Sundance is a great speaker (when he tries) and pretty genuine, but I would like to see a little bit more of building the foundations he talks about rather than going straight for the penthouse deals. | ||
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LeLfe
France3160 Posts
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markrevival
United States222 Posts
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Laxx
Australia61 Posts
On May 19 2012 11:51 markrevival wrote: this is such bullshit. They're angry over the Naniwa incident so that means they want to create a foreign monopoly on KeSPA players? This is going to be so bad for the development of eSports. MLG is essentially saying, "go through us or your tournament will be worthless." Such a dis on IPL and GOM. Creating a more unified international system of esports isn't supposed to be about creating factions and segregating players. I can't believe it. This is horrible. I'd suggest re-reading the interview, particularly this part: "I'm going to try my best to arrange something with DreamHack as we have a strong relationship with them. We're going to talk to the [Electronic Sports League's] Intel Extreme Masters (IEM) about working with them. Those are the two groups that I've been in contact with and have been thinking about. It could go deeper, but the point of this is that KeSPA takes this very seriously and they want to align with like-minded people." It's quite clear that this exclusivity doesn't represent a desire to "create a monopoly". In fact, by the sound of things it seems KeSPA were the ones who wanted exclusivity for now. | ||
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markrevival
United States222 Posts
On May 19 2012 12:45 Laxx wrote: I'd suggest re-reading the interview, particularly this part: It's quite clear that this exclusivity doesn't represent a desire to "create a monopoly". In fact, by the sound of things it seems KeSPA were the ones who wanted exclusivity for now. No, that's exactly what I was referring to. IEM, Dreamhack, and whoever else wants to have a shot at forming a formidable tournament in the future when KeSPA players become crucial they have to go through MLG. What's worse is that they single out IPL and GSL as people they don't want to work with, but those are the best tournaments right now. So yeah, it is about business competition. This isn't about growing eSports, its about making sure IPL doesn't undercut them any more than they already are by offering better and free esports scene. | ||
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Havik_
United States5585 Posts
On May 17 2012 09:07 m0ck wrote: While GOM deserves to get beat up over the Naniwa-MLG-incident, for Kespa and MLG to be able to limit players from participating in tournaments serves no-one but the organizers. This is a really unhealthy and unnecessary development and is apparently a reflection of the corporate warfare between IPL and MLG (and of course, the power of Kespa). Stupid, stupid, stupid. For the sake of the freedom of the players, for the sake of a lively, dynamic scene of differing tournament organizers, for the sake of diversifying power and control, this development should be looked upon very critically. This is exactly how I feel... I'm glad he talked about over saturation. There's too much content right now. Even at an MLG event its nonstop games for 3 days then nothing. Fewer, more meaningful games with more prize money is the way to go. | ||
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Primadog
United States4411 Posts
On May 19 2012 12:45 Laxx wrote: I'd suggest re-reading the interview, particularly this part: It's quite clear that this exclusivity doesn't represent a desire to "create a monopoly". In fact, by the sound of things it seems KeSPA were the ones who wanted exclusivity for now. What about NASL, IPL, or any other league besides those that plays nice with MLG? | ||
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BigKahunaBurger
Australia334 Posts
They're still using the Naniwa incident as a scapegoat for their own bullshit? NEWSFLASH MLG: He got his seed into Code S. Do they really think we're all this dumb? That we can't see through that spin? | ||
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Havik_
United States5585 Posts
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zaii
Guam2611 Posts
On May 20 2012 17:22 BigKahunaBurger wrote: Hahahaha. They're still using the Naniwa incident as a scapegoat for their own bullshit? NEWSFLASH MLG: He got his seed into Code S. Do they really think we're all this dumb? That we can't see through that spin? maybe just you | ||
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drew-chan
Malaysia1517 Posts
On May 20 2012 17:33 Havik_ wrote: I see this more as competition than anything else. MLG/DH/IEM/Kespa etc will have their thing, and then IPL/Gom will have their thing. I'd much rather see this move towards one central organization so there is less over-saturation. I literally didn't watch the MLG arena/ipl FC because Code S was so damn good last night. wait there was an arena going on? | ||
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kyllinghest
Norway1607 Posts
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zaii
Guam2611 Posts
That sign that's on top right of TL, unless you have bad vision. | ||
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6BiT
513 Posts
If a player is on a team (signed a contract etc) it should be up to the player and/or team (depending on whats written in the contract) to decide what tournaments the player shall participate in. Exclusivity is lolworthy, heading more to the direction of Wrestling (WWE etc) than actual sports. If anything just feels like restrictions will hurt KeSPA players development and give them less opportunities to showcase themselves (when they might be ready). Be interesting to see what happens with future tournaments on OGN regarding who can participate in those. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
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