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Interview with MLG Sundance on KeSPA and GSL

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Slasher
Profile Joined September 2007
United States1095 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-22 20:01:31
May 16 2012 20:46 GMT
#1
EDIT: Sorry for the delay - I have posted the full interview which includes more details on OGN, IEG, and additional thoughts on GSL and involvement from Blizzard. Here ya go: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=14794798

I have interviewed MLG's Sundance DiGiovanni on the MLG-KeSPA partnership, including details on the exclusivity portion. I hope to be able to provide any details that weren't included in the Adam/Lee interview. Details include Sundance wanting to work with DreamHack and IEM on KeSPA players, words on the former partnership with GomTV, and the possibility of seeing Flash vs NesTea in Raleigh.

Additionally, the interview was so long, that nearly half of it had to be cut for release. Tomorrow, I will be releasing the full un-edited version of the interview here only on TL, which is about twice as long as what's presented.

GS: So one of the biggest questions here regarding the new partnership is the announced exclusivity between yourselves and KeSPA and what this means going forward. What actions are we to see from this?

SD: What this means is that outside of Korea, we're the official partner for KeSPA. We're the tournament KeSPA players are allowed to play at the moment, by letter of the agreement. Our plan is to work with some of the partners that we have to bring those players there as well. I'm going to try my best to arrange something with DreamHack as we have a strong relationship with them. We're going to talk to the [Electronic Sports League's] Intel Extreme Masters (IEM) about working with them. Those are the two groups that I've been in contact with and have been thinking about. It could go deeper, but the point of this is that KeSPA takes this very seriously and they want to align with like-minded people.

In terms of the exclusivity part of it, I don't say this to come off as disrespectful but in their eyes they are the only ones over there. It's Korea and it's KeSPA. That's it. I'm not gonna lie and tell you I was running in there hoping I was going to do a non-exclusive deal because what sense does that make? You saw what that got me last time. It got me Naniwa not getting what he had earned, and I'm not going to do that again. From an operator standpoint, you could grab anyone from the other organizations and they all would have said they'd sign an exclusive deal too.

GS: You mentioned over-saturation as something to look out for. Do you believe there's too much eSports or StarCraft content right now?

SD: There are some things we can learn from KeSPA and there are some things we learned from GSL. There's a structure and system for this that can work really well. The problem right now is that we've got all these different events, no tie-in with each other, no continuation, different rosters of players for each. There are challenges we have to get through. It's no secret for a long time we've been trying to figure out the fixed location thing and we're doing it here in New York City for now. The plan is to have a global organization that runs a unified league with meaningful matches happening in multiple locations. So if I could have matches that are happening in South Korea, matches that are happening North America, Europe, South America, that at the end of the day, week, month, they relate somehow, that's going to be great for everyone. Some people now go, "Oh, this event's player pool isn't as great as the last one, I'm just going to tune in on Sunday." You kind of have to borrow from traditional sports a little more I think to get to the right place, in terms of a scale and growth perspective.

For the full interview, read it here: http://www.gamespot.com/features/mlg-ceo-on-korean-crossover-deal-6376981/
v3chr0
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States856 Posts
May 16 2012 21:08 GMT
#2
He's got some solid points there. I agree with his second answer a lot, needs to be more unity among SC2 content providers. This has been shown already, but there needs to be more of a network to it, a "continuation" from tournament to tournament as he said.

Look forward to hearing more from him, looks to me that KeSPA and MLG want to do this right.
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Warblade!
Profile Joined February 2010
United States29 Posts
May 16 2012 21:52 GMT
#3
So is this going to affect whether or not Tastosis or Wolfdor can cast at MLG events?
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-16 21:58:17
May 16 2012 21:57 GMT
#4
On May 17 2012 06:52 Warblade! wrote:
So is this going to affect whether or not Tastosis or Wolfdor can cast at MLG events?

No. Unless GOM schedules Code S stuff during MLG that is.
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Slasher
Profile Joined September 2007
United States1095 Posts
May 16 2012 22:12 GMT
#5
On May 17 2012 06:57 jmbthirteen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2012 06:52 Warblade! wrote:
So is this going to affect whether or not Tastosis or Wolfdor can cast at MLG events?

No. Unless GOM schedules Code S stuff during MLG that is.

In the interview Sundance says GOM has scheduled their upcoming Up&Down games during Anaheim, so anything might be possible.
HelloSon
Profile Joined April 2010
United States456 Posts
May 16 2012 22:17 GMT
#6
so glad Gamespot got rid of their god-awful black background.
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amazingoopah
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1925 Posts
May 16 2012 22:25 GMT
#7
hmm, not sure I remember but did Blizzard and Kespa come to some sort of agreement about the use of players in Blizzard-run events? I assume they did, especially since it would be bizarre if Blizzard had to go through MLG as well to see current BW players in their tournaments.

While I applaud Sundance's dedication to creating a more coherent, stable structure for SC2, I simply don't see that as very feasible for now. Apparently, it sounds as if he would like some sort of global league where the results in one place influence the results in the other. The only problem here is that while this might work in major sports where bottom feeders can play each other and some people (their fans) will be interested, the reality is that the vast majority of people would much rather see their favorites playing each other early and often. This is going to be even more likely when the BW players switch and there will be a strong push to have these players in as many overseas events as possible. I just don't see a market for people paying to see two newbies on monday just because that's what's on the tournament schedule MLG/Kespa determined. I don't think the viewership is there just yet.
Steveling
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Greece10806 Posts
May 16 2012 23:02 GMT
#8
In terms of the exclusivity part of it, I don't say this to come off as disrespectful but in their eyes they are the only ones over there. It's Korea and it's KeSPA. That's it.


Inb4 "good old kespa".
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Primadog
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4411 Posts
May 16 2012 23:07 GMT
#9
Only sundance can make a monopoly look so good.
Thank God and gunrun.
Primadog
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4411 Posts
May 16 2012 23:08 GMT
#10
This never ends
Thank God and gunrun.
UndoneJin
Profile Joined February 2011
United States438 Posts
May 16 2012 23:20 GMT
#11
Hey, I'm pumped we have people that want to make e-Sports something worth being into, something that is bigger than just a single tournament or league win. I can understand a little bit of doubt but Sundance really does make some awesome points, he always reminds me a couple times a year that he's actually pretty smart. At the end of the day, I take this kind of thing for what it's worth. I don't see some massive global e-Sports league taking shape, but certainly to a lesser extent some kind of tied in championship which links all the major tournaments/leagues together would be very legitimatizing to the competition of SC2.
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opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
May 16 2012 23:23 GMT
#12
On May 17 2012 07:12 Slasher wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2012 06:57 jmbthirteen wrote:
On May 17 2012 06:52 Warblade! wrote:
So is this going to affect whether or not Tastosis or Wolfdor can cast at MLG events?

No. Unless GOM schedules Code S stuff during MLG that is.

In the interview Sundance says GOM has scheduled their upcoming Up&Down games during Anaheim, so anything might be possible.


Really? I thought UnD were next week o.O may 21->
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Embir
Profile Joined January 2011
Poland567 Posts
May 16 2012 23:26 GMT
#13
On May 17 2012 08:07 Primadog wrote:
Only sundance can make a monopoly look so good.


What?

It is a load of crap - the same corporationism and desire to total domination and monopol bullshit.

I like decentralized structure of SC2 - that there are a lot of clans, communities and small tournaments.
It is easy to arrange and do a tournament. In fact players can be very independent and still earn a solid amount of money.

Of course it is not a good situation for big molochs like Kespa or MLG. Tournaments and players outside their structures make them earn less money. For example why should I pay for MLG Arena if there is probably a few more tournaments with probably evenly fun and dramatic matches - even if participants are not exactly on par.

So yes, the current decentralized state of SC2 is the best state for me.
Jarree
Profile Joined January 2012
Finland1004 Posts
May 16 2012 23:28 GMT
#14
Rights to players participating? Wtf let any player play where ever he wants. Fucking disgusting.
Nimic
Profile Joined September 2010
Norway1360 Posts
May 16 2012 23:32 GMT
#15
This whole partnership is giving me a bad feeling. Good for MLG, but this doesn't seem like a good idea for SC2 as a whole.
Primadog
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4411 Posts
May 16 2012 23:39 GMT
#16
Wow, anyone watching LO3 right now?
Thank God and gunrun.
densha
Profile Joined December 2010
United States797 Posts
May 16 2012 23:46 GMT
#17
Did Sundance just say that GSL is losing Up and Down players to MLG? Would any Korean team really let their players miss out on a chance at Code S just for a few thousand dollars?

In general I am really uncomfortable with Sundance/Kespa having so much power. I really want the BW pros playing SC2 but at the same time I'm so happy with the current scene. I really don't get why Kespa would even need to make such a big commitment to MLG... aren't they big enough to act on their own without needing to trust in such a young, inexperienced CEO?
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loladin
Profile Joined October 2010
Norway184 Posts
May 16 2012 23:51 GMT
#18
I like that Sundance was so candid about the Naniwa situation.
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Synche
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1345 Posts
May 16 2012 23:57 GMT
#19
Great interview Slasher.
m0ck
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
4194 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-17 00:15:24
May 17 2012 00:07 GMT
#20
While GOM deserves to get beat up over the Naniwa-MLG-incident, for Kespa and MLG to be able to limit players from participating in tournaments serves no-one but the organizers. This is a really unhealthy and unnecessary development and is apparently a reflection of the corporate warfare between IPL and MLG (and of course, the power of Kespa). Stupid, stupid, stupid.

For the sake of the freedom of the players, for the sake of a lively, dynamic scene of differing tournament organizers, for the sake of diversifying power and control, this development should be looked upon very critically.
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